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Wouldn't pashtun rule over the baloch be no different than what we perceive as unjust punjabi rule over KP and FATA?
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There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.
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Perhaps because of the overwhelming Pashtun population. Half of Baluchistan speaks Pashto, and in Quetta(the main player of Baluchistan)Pashtuns are in majority. Also, Quetta was once part of Afghanistan. Due to the high birth rate of Pashtuns, Pashtuns will be the majority in Baluchistan soon.Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.
A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai
For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."
The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!
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Because upper balochistan like Quetta was part of Afghanistan and the Pashtuns are native there. Also balochistan in the Pashto language is known as "Godar". If we get Godar, we will have acsess to sea!"Revenge is a dish best served cold".
-Old Pashtun proverb
"My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"Comment
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What is the demographic history of the province? i am aware pashtuns are a majority in quetta and province wide its close but does anyone have history of demographic changes?
the part of quetta being part of afg in the past i would not hold to be legitimate today for a claim to ownership. the punjabis have probably controlled quetta just as long if not longer but it wouldn't make their claim legit.
i just find it ironic that some pashtuns are in solidarity with the baloch when it comes to baloch independence but also hold the same claim over the land as the last guy did.There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.
Sayyid QutbComment
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Baluchistan is about ~50 percent Pashtun, with various Pashtun dominated cities, not just Quetta.Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.
A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai
For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."
The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!
-Ferishta, 1560–1620Comment
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I think the people who created the first Pashtunistan maps were non-pashtuns and assumed pashtuns lived on both sides of the durand line wherever is existed, and then pashtun nationalists have just stuck with using that image instead of creating a correct versionOriginally posted by Elite PakhtunComment
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pretty much.Originally posted by Adam View Post
the maps of the 18th and 19th centuries in the region were not accurate, and if they were then the map makers must of hated our region because they had to change the borders quite often.
if i am not mistaken, balochistan was an independent entity during the breakup of india and was only incorporated into pakistan after broken promises and force.There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.
Sayyid QutbComment
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If balochistan was not part of Afghanistan/Pashtunistan, then no matter what we do, Afghanistan will always be landlocked.Comment
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Alot of Balochis have close cultural ties with Pashtuns, infact a large portion of Balochi people descend from Pashtun clans.
Punjabi culture is different from Pashton and Baloch culture as Punjabis were historically an agricultural nation, while Pashtons and Balochis roamed around in the barren land.Comment
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If you look at the ethnic map of Balochistan,Pakistan, only the very north knob has pashtoons. FFS, the capital of Balochistan should be Qalat not Quetta, because Qalat is 100% Baloch/Brahui and has established it's own sovereign government before Pakistan was made.Comment
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southern balochistan is basically 50% Makrani if I am not mistakingComment
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"Baluchistan" is comprised of almost 50% ethnic native Pashtuns, there will never be an independent "Baluchistan" when half the population is Pashtun and will probably increase in decades to come. "Baluchistan" is a false concept, never existed, and never will exist. Afghan reunification will re-annex the entire "Baluchistan" aka Southern Pashtunistan opening the way to the sea once more. Pashtuns will not forfeit an inch of their native land to these people.Comment
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It's that type of arrogance and two facedness that has made me disregard almost everything in favor of Pashtuns. Even though I am Pashtun, that sort of despicable entitlement mentality is loathesome. Being pashtun doesn't give you the right to trespass on others.[QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]
2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.Comment
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No, Quetta should not even be part of Balochistan, the northern knob of Balochistan is supposed to be a part of KPK.Originally posted by Pakhtun View PostComment
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^Whats the point of an independent Balochistan when baloch people are practicly Pakhtuns in disguise?"Revenge is a dish best served cold".
-Old Pashtun proverb
"My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"Comment
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