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    FOR over a century, Ahmadzai Wazirs resented Mehsuds’ domination in their native South Waziristan. The Wazirs continue to grumble over the distribution of resources and privileges between the two tribes.

    They moan over what they believe the injustices they suffer despite being in majority.

    The Mehsuds, they complain, take away the lion’s share of all that comes to Fata’s largest tribal region.

    This tribal resentment is mutual and almost entrenched in folklore.

    The two tribes have had major flare-ups in the past too, that had claimed several lives, at times prompting clerics from the Wazir tribe to declare “Jihad” against neighbouring Mehsuds.

    Yet the two tribes lived in peace side by side — borne largely out of Wazirs’ own compulsion: the road.

    The once-broken down road to Wazirs’ area in the Wana region meanders through the Mehsuds’ heartland. And the wily Mehsuds used this strategic card to their own advantage, closing it down at will to bring the Wazirs into submission.

    The Tank-Jandola-Wana road served as the lifeline for Ahmadzai Wazirs.

    So challenging Mehsuds’ domination in South Waziristan would have been foolhardy.

    But all that changed on June 18 this year. The country’s military strategists, propelled by their own security and logistic needs and some wise advice from the civil administration coupled with millions of American dollars, opened a 105-km-long dual carriageway, the Kaur-Gomal-Tanai-Wana road, to rid Wazirs of what they believed was Mehsuds’ perpetual blackmail.

    This was a turning point in the Wazir-Mehsud relationship in South Waziristan.

    People like 40-year-old Noor Mohammad, a Bahlolzai Mehsud by tribe, could never have imagined that Wazirs would have the nerve to order them to leave Wana in a matter of days.

    “This is the will of Allah,” he says, with some remorse.

    He is now struggling to find a shelter for his family of 30 people in Tank. This was his fourth displacement since the launch of military operations in South Waziristan.

    What is worse, he says, the Wazir driver charged them Rs20,000 to transport them through the same military-built, American-funded road that the Wazirs say, they had attempted so hard to stop for years.

    Government officials admit they were the principal movers behind the initiative to get militant Commander Maulvi Nazir evict the displaced Mehsuds from their midst in Wana.

    Hiding among the displaced Mehsuds, officials claim, were Tehrik-i-Taliban men who would often cause trouble in a region that has largely remained peaceful, thanks to a peace agreement with Commander Nazir.

    “The political administration told us to either get the Mehsuds to agree to register themselves with the authorities or ask them to leave. Since we have a peace agreement with the government, we asked the Mehsud to register but they refused. We had no choice,” Malik Mohammad Arif, a Zalikhel Yargulkhel Wazir and a notable tribal elder, who also represents the Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party in the region, told Dawn by phone.

    Getting Maulvi Nazir on board was difficult but he agreed, albeit reluctantly, to play ball, a senior government official told Dawn.

    But just when he was making up his mind to order the eviction of Mehsud clansmen from Wana, he was hit by a suicide bombing in Wana bazaar on Nov 29. He survived the attempt.

    “This was unmistakably TTP’s work,” a senior security official said.

    “It was a pre-emptive move to stop Nazir from ordering the eviction,” he said.

    Maulvi Nazir did not lose a single moment.

    Soon after the incident, Ahmadzai Wazirs held a jirga to make the decision and announcements were made, ordering the nearly 40,000 Mehsuds to leave Wana by Dec 5.

    All agree had there been no Kaur-Gomal-Tanai-Wana road, the Wazirs would never have made that critical decision. “We owe to the Taliban,” a disgruntled Mehsud said.

    ‘TALIBAN GIFT’: It were the TTP, he said, which forced the authorities to look for an alternative road.

    “For 500 years, the Wazirs were beholden to us for passage through the Mehsuds’ territory. The Taliban have given them the gift of Gomal road,” he moaned.

    Government officials are optimistic that they could replicate the Mehsuds’ eviction from Wana in Miramshah, North Waziristan. “This is a major initiative. We would like to showcase it elsewhere,” a senior government official said.

    “Uthmakhel Wazirs in North Waziristan are three times bigger than Ahmadzai Wazirs. If Ahmadzai could do it, why can’t the Uthmankhels?” he asked.

    “We would want them to stand up and kick out the bad guys from their midst too,” he said.

    CHANGE IN TTP?: As if part of a larger scheme of things, military officials in the region are also reported to be throwing around feelers if a possible replacement of TTP’s trigger-happy chief, Hakimullah Mehsud, by a “moderate” Waliur Rehman—the group’s top militant commander for Mehsud region, citing irreconcilable differences between the two.

    This may be a bit far-fetched, at least in the immediate, foreseeable future, those in the know insist. “I don’t see it happening,” a very senior official with knowledge of the region told Dawn. “They may have differences, but it has not reached the point where we could see any changes at the top,” he said.

    For one, the TTP shura is dominated by those close to Hakimullah and there is no indication of a change of mood amongst its members of change of fortune of their radical, ultra-violent leader.

    By all accounts, Hakimullah is more violent and has turned out to be a tough fighter for the Pakistani forces, but Waliur Rehman, a Malkhel Mehsud tribesman and a graduate of a religious madressah in Faisalabad, is not a “moderate” either.

    In some respects, he has proven himself to be a more tenacious challenger to the military’s presence in his native land, where the security forces have come under increasing attacks, fire-raids, ambushes, motor attacks and roadside bombings since the launch of military operation in 2009.

    But even then, some within the JUI-F, with which Waliur Rehman had ties once, are optimistic that, given an opportunity and some concessions, the 42-year-old militant commander could be brought around to stop fighting the state.

    “His ascension (as the TTP leader) would be a good omen for Pakistan,” mused a JUI-F lawmaker who claims to have had attempted to mediate between the two sides. His attempts apparently made no headway, finding no backers within the military establishment at the time.

    But there are those too, who are sceptical of attempts by some within the establishment to paint Waliur Rehman white. “If this is an attempt to drive a wedge between Waliur Rehman and Hakimullah, it wouldn’t work. But if there are some who genuinely feel that he is a moderate, they should know that a former military commander in Peshawar had once described Baitullah Mehsud a ‘soldier of peace’ too,” an analyst cautioned.





    Dr BarakzaiAbdali, use to tell us that Maseed and Wazirs will overthrow Karzai and topple the Afghan government and bring victory to Taliban...while saying this working in the US of A instead of Islamic Kingdom of Saudi Arabia did not tell us about the ground realities of his mythical fantasies, such as that Wazirs recently expelled 1000s of Maseed, that even the Taliban edict Jihad Against Maseeds most of them being poor villagers who have no homes due to Pakistani army bombardment. He also failed to tell us that Wazirs, are charging poor desparate maseed high prices just for simple travel on US MADE ROADS....Dr Barakzai stop lying to people. No matter how islamic they are, or Jihadi, they are divided

  • #2
    They do not need wazirs and mehsuds to topple such a government,which is run by criminals,the afghan army itself has men who are ready for fight for the freedom of this country they will take care of the foreigners and criminals inside the government.

    There are enough afghans who can support one of them to decide the issue.
    But for now many afghans are undecided,because two different discision could lead to fire among tribes and villages.
    High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Adam
      Question, Are there not more Mehsuds than Wazirs in North and South Waziristan?
      this guy is good at posting fairytales.

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      • #4
        Soldat what am I supposed to do with this? I am not a wazir... And my in laws left long ago and cannot go back due to the conflict. In general I have no links to the region monetarily or with family power... And neither can your wife sit in a mahsud jirga so how is mine supposed to make any difference. All I can say is that every post I ever made is attempting to explain to you that intervention is ruining the place.


        Originally posted by Soldat_Amir View Post
        FOR over a century, Ahmadzai Wazirs resented Mehsuds’ domination in their native South Waziristan. The Wazirs continue to grumble over the distribution of resources and privileges between the two tribes.

        They moan over what they believe the injustices they suffer despite being in majority.

        The Mehsuds, they complain, take away the lion’s share of all that comes to Fata’s largest tribal region.

        This tribal resentment is mutual and almost entrenched in folklore.

        The two tribes have had major flare-ups in the past too, that had claimed several lives, at times prompting clerics from the Wazir tribe to declare “Jihad” against neighbouring Mehsuds.

        Yet the two tribes lived in peace side by side — borne largely out of Wazirs’ own compulsion: the road.

        The once-broken down road to Wazirs’ area in the Wana region meanders through the Mehsuds’ heartland. And the wily Mehsuds used this strategic card to their own advantage, closing it down at will to bring the Wazirs into submission.

        The Tank-Jandola-Wana road served as the lifeline for Ahmadzai Wazirs.

        So challenging Mehsuds’ domination in South Waziristan would have been foolhardy.

        But all that changed on June 18 this year. The country’s military strategists, propelled by their own security and logistic needs and some wise advice from the civil administration coupled with millions of American dollars, opened a 105-km-long dual carriageway, the Kaur-Gomal-Tanai-Wana road, to rid Wazirs of what they believed was Mehsuds’ perpetual blackmail.

        This was a turning point in the Wazir-Mehsud relationship in South Waziristan.

        People like 40-year-old Noor Mohammad, a Bahlolzai Mehsud by tribe, could never have imagined that Wazirs would have the nerve to order them to leave Wana in a matter of days.

        “This is the will of Allah,” he says, with some remorse.

        He is now struggling to find a shelter for his family of 30 people in Tank. This was his fourth displacement since the launch of military operations in South Waziristan.

        What is worse, he says, the Wazir driver charged them Rs20,000 to transport them through the same military-built, American-funded road that the Wazirs say, they had attempted so hard to stop for years.

        Government officials admit they were the principal movers behind the initiative to get militant Commander Maulvi Nazir evict the displaced Mehsuds from their midst in Wana.

        Hiding among the displaced Mehsuds, officials claim, were Tehrik-i-Taliban men who would often cause trouble in a region that has largely remained peaceful, thanks to a peace agreement with Commander Nazir.

        “The political administration told us to either get the Mehsuds to agree to register themselves with the authorities or ask them to leave. Since we have a peace agreement with the government, we asked the Mehsud to register but they refused. We had no choice,” Malik Mohammad Arif, a Zalikhel Yargulkhel Wazir and a notable tribal elder, who also represents the Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party in the region, told Dawn by phone.

        Getting Maulvi Nazir on board was difficult but he agreed, albeit reluctantly, to play ball, a senior government official told Dawn.

        But just when he was making up his mind to order the eviction of Mehsud clansmen from Wana, he was hit by a suicide bombing in Wana bazaar on Nov 29. He survived the attempt.

        “This was unmistakably TTP’s work,” a senior security official said.

        “It was a pre-emptive move to stop Nazir from ordering the eviction,” he said.

        Maulvi Nazir did not lose a single moment.

        Soon after the incident, Ahmadzai Wazirs held a jirga to make the decision and announcements were made, ordering the nearly 40,000 Mehsuds to leave Wana by Dec 5.

        All agree had there been no Kaur-Gomal-Tanai-Wana road, the Wazirs would never have made that critical decision. “We owe to the Taliban,” a disgruntled Mehsud said.

        ‘TALIBAN GIFT’: It were the TTP, he said, which forced the authorities to look for an alternative road.

        “For 500 years, the Wazirs were beholden to us for passage through the Mehsuds’ territory. The Taliban have given them the gift of Gomal road,” he moaned.

        Government officials are optimistic that they could replicate the Mehsuds’ eviction from Wana in Miramshah, North Waziristan. “This is a major initiative. We would like to showcase it elsewhere,” a senior government official said.

        “Uthmakhel Wazirs in North Waziristan are three times bigger than Ahmadzai Wazirs. If Ahmadzai could do it, why can’t the Uthmankhels?” he asked.

        “We would want them to stand up and kick out the bad guys from their midst too,” he said.

        CHANGE IN TTP?: As if part of a larger scheme of things, military officials in the region are also reported to be throwing around feelers if a possible replacement of TTP’s trigger-happy chief, Hakimullah Mehsud, by a “moderate” Waliur Rehman—the group’s top militant commander for Mehsud region, citing irreconcilable differences between the two.

        This may be a bit far-fetched, at least in the immediate, foreseeable future, those in the know insist. “I don’t see it happening,” a very senior official with knowledge of the region told Dawn. “They may have differences, but it has not reached the point where we could see any changes at the top,” he said.

        For one, the TTP shura is dominated by those close to Hakimullah and there is no indication of a change of mood amongst its members of change of fortune of their radical, ultra-violent leader.

        By all accounts, Hakimullah is more violent and has turned out to be a tough fighter for the Pakistani forces, but Waliur Rehman, a Malkhel Mehsud tribesman and a graduate of a religious madressah in Faisalabad, is not a “moderate” either.

        In some respects, he has proven himself to be a more tenacious challenger to the military’s presence in his native land, where the security forces have come under increasing attacks, fire-raids, ambushes, motor attacks and roadside bombings since the launch of military operation in 2009.

        But even then, some within the JUI-F, with which Waliur Rehman had ties once, are optimistic that, given an opportunity and some concessions, the 42-year-old militant commander could be brought around to stop fighting the state.

        “His ascension (as the TTP leader) would be a good omen for Pakistan,” mused a JUI-F lawmaker who claims to have had attempted to mediate between the two sides. His attempts apparently made no headway, finding no backers within the military establishment at the time.

        But there are those too, who are sceptical of attempts by some within the establishment to paint Waliur Rehman white. “If this is an attempt to drive a wedge between Waliur Rehman and Hakimullah, it wouldn’t work. But if there are some who genuinely feel that he is a moderate, they should know that a former military commander in Peshawar had once described Baitullah Mehsud a ‘soldier of peace’ too,” an analyst cautioned.





        Dr BarakzaiAbdali, use to tell us that Maseed and Wazirs will overthrow Karzai and topple the Afghan government and bring victory to Taliban...while saying this working in the US of A instead of Islamic Kingdom of Saudi Arabia did not tell us about the ground realities of his mythical fantasies, such as that Wazirs recently expelled 1000s of Maseed, that even the Taliban edict Jihad Against Maseeds most of them being poor villagers who have no homes due to Pakistani army bombardment. He also failed to tell us that Wazirs, are charging poor desparate maseed high prices just for simple travel on US MADE ROADS....Dr Barakzai stop lying to people. No matter how islamic they are, or Jihadi, they are divided
        "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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        • #5
          Soldat also why assume every Wazir hates every mahsud? These imaginations about how every noorzai hates all achakzai or every popalzai feels competitive with all barakzai are not true. What about simple poor people who have no role????



          Originally posted by Soldat_Amir View Post
          FOR over a century, Ahmadzai Wazirs resented Mehsuds’ domination in their native South Waziristan. The Wazirs continue to grumble over the distribution of resources and privileges between the two tribes.

          They moan over what they believe the injustices they suffer despite being in majority.

          The Mehsuds, they complain, take away the lion’s share of all that comes to Fata’s largest tribal region.

          This tribal resentment is mutual and almost entrenched in folklore.

          The two tribes have had major flare-ups in the past too, that had claimed several lives, at times prompting clerics from the Wazir tribe to declare “Jihad” against neighbouring Mehsuds.

          Yet the two tribes lived in peace side by side — borne largely out of Wazirs’ own compulsion: the road.

          The once-broken down road to Wazirs’ area in the Wana region meanders through the Mehsuds’ heartland. And the wily Mehsuds used this strategic card to their own advantage, closing it down at will to bring the Wazirs into submission.

          The Tank-Jandola-Wana road served as the lifeline for Ahmadzai Wazirs.

          So challenging Mehsuds’ domination in South Waziristan would have been foolhardy.

          But all that changed on June 18 this year. The country’s military strategists, propelled by their own security and logistic needs and some wise advice from the civil administration coupled with millions of American dollars, opened a 105-km-long dual carriageway, the Kaur-Gomal-Tanai-Wana road, to rid Wazirs of what they believed was Mehsuds’ perpetual blackmail.

          This was a turning point in the Wazir-Mehsud relationship in South Waziristan.

          People like 40-year-old Noor Mohammad, a Bahlolzai Mehsud by tribe, could never have imagined that Wazirs would have the nerve to order them to leave Wana in a matter of days.

          “This is the will of Allah,” he says, with some remorse.

          He is now struggling to find a shelter for his family of 30 people in Tank. This was his fourth displacement since the launch of military operations in South Waziristan.

          What is worse, he says, the Wazir driver charged them Rs20,000 to transport them through the same military-built, American-funded road that the Wazirs say, they had attempted so hard to stop for years.

          Government officials admit they were the principal movers behind the initiative to get militant Commander Maulvi Nazir evict the displaced Mehsuds from their midst in Wana.

          Hiding among the displaced Mehsuds, officials claim, were Tehrik-i-Taliban men who would often cause trouble in a region that has largely remained peaceful, thanks to a peace agreement with Commander Nazir.

          “The political administration told us to either get the Mehsuds to agree to register themselves with the authorities or ask them to leave. Since we have a peace agreement with the government, we asked the Mehsud to register but they refused. We had no choice,” Malik Mohammad Arif, a Zalikhel Yargulkhel Wazir and a notable tribal elder, who also represents the Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party in the region, told Dawn by phone.

          Getting Maulvi Nazir on board was difficult but he agreed, albeit reluctantly, to play ball, a senior government official told Dawn.

          But just when he was making up his mind to order the eviction of Mehsud clansmen from Wana, he was hit by a suicide bombing in Wana bazaar on Nov 29. He survived the attempt.

          “This was unmistakably TTP’s work,” a senior security official said.

          “It was a pre-emptive move to stop Nazir from ordering the eviction,” he said.

          Maulvi Nazir did not lose a single moment.

          Soon after the incident, Ahmadzai Wazirs held a jirga to make the decision and announcements were made, ordering the nearly 40,000 Mehsuds to leave Wana by Dec 5.

          All agree had there been no Kaur-Gomal-Tanai-Wana road, the Wazirs would never have made that critical decision. “We owe to the Taliban,” a disgruntled Mehsud said.

          ‘TALIBAN GIFT’: It were the TTP, he said, which forced the authorities to look for an alternative road.

          “For 500 years, the Wazirs were beholden to us for passage through the Mehsuds’ territory. The Taliban have given them the gift of Gomal road,” he moaned.

          Government officials are optimistic that they could replicate the Mehsuds’ eviction from Wana in Miramshah, North Waziristan. “This is a major initiative. We would like to showcase it elsewhere,” a senior government official said.

          “Uthmakhel Wazirs in North Waziristan are three times bigger than Ahmadzai Wazirs. If Ahmadzai could do it, why can’t the Uthmankhels?” he asked.

          “We would want them to stand up and kick out the bad guys from their midst too,” he said.

          CHANGE IN TTP?: As if part of a larger scheme of things, military officials in the region are also reported to be throwing around feelers if a possible replacement of TTP’s trigger-happy chief, Hakimullah Mehsud, by a “moderate” Waliur Rehman—the group’s top militant commander for Mehsud region, citing irreconcilable differences between the two.

          This may be a bit far-fetched, at least in the immediate, foreseeable future, those in the know insist. “I don’t see it happening,” a very senior official with knowledge of the region told Dawn. “They may have differences, but it has not reached the point where we could see any changes at the top,” he said.

          For one, the TTP shura is dominated by those close to Hakimullah and there is no indication of a change of mood amongst its members of change of fortune of their radical, ultra-violent leader.

          By all accounts, Hakimullah is more violent and has turned out to be a tough fighter for the Pakistani forces, but Waliur Rehman, a Malkhel Mehsud tribesman and a graduate of a religious madressah in Faisalabad, is not a “moderate” either.

          In some respects, he has proven himself to be a more tenacious challenger to the military’s presence in his native land, where the security forces have come under increasing attacks, fire-raids, ambushes, motor attacks and roadside bombings since the launch of military operation in 2009.

          But even then, some within the JUI-F, with which Waliur Rehman had ties once, are optimistic that, given an opportunity and some concessions, the 42-year-old militant commander could be brought around to stop fighting the state.

          “His ascension (as the TTP leader) would be a good omen for Pakistan,” mused a JUI-F lawmaker who claims to have had attempted to mediate between the two sides. His attempts apparently made no headway, finding no backers within the military establishment at the time.

          But there are those too, who are sceptical of attempts by some within the establishment to paint Waliur Rehman white. “If this is an attempt to drive a wedge between Waliur Rehman and Hakimullah, it wouldn’t work. But if there are some who genuinely feel that he is a moderate, they should know that a former military commander in Peshawar had once described Baitullah Mehsud a ‘soldier of peace’ too,” an analyst cautioned.





          Dr BarakzaiAbdali, use to tell us that Maseed and Wazirs will overthrow Karzai and topple the Afghan government and bring victory to Taliban...while saying this working in the US of A instead of Islamic Kingdom of Saudi Arabia did not tell us about the ground realities of his mythical fantasies, such as that Wazirs recently expelled 1000s of Maseed, that even the Taliban edict Jihad Against Maseeds most of them being poor villagers who have no homes due to Pakistani army bombardment. He also failed to tell us that Wazirs, are charging poor desparate maseed high prices just for simple travel on US MADE ROADS....Dr Barakzai stop lying to people. No matter how islamic they are, or Jihadi, they are divided
          "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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          • #6
            Hello Soldat Amir,

            The roads made by the US/NATO are there to transfer NATO supplies to NATO.

            They did not fund the roads to help out the people of FATA but to pro long the war.

            This is the payment to the mercenary Pakistani Army and Government which has made billions of dollars for supporting the NATO war with NATO supplies.

            Remember, it is Pakistan that has made the US/NATO war possible.
            Last edited by Shah-i-Kot; 12-10-2012, 12:17 PM.

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            • #7
              I just saw this part:

              Dr BarakzaiAbdali, use to tell us that Maseed and Wazirs will overthrow Karzai and topple the Afghan government and bring victory to Taliban...while saying this working in the US of A instead of Islamic Kingdom of Saudi Arabia did not tell us about the ground realities of his mythical fantasies, such as that Wazirs recently expelled 1000s of Maseed, that even the Taliban edict Jihad Against Maseeds most of them being poor villagers who have no homes due to Pakistani army bombardment. He also failed to tell us that Wazirs, are charging poor desparate maseed high prices just for simple travel on US MADE ROADS....Dr Barakzai stop lying to people. No matter how islamic they are, or Jihadi, they are divided

              Soldat:

              I dont think you read my original argument, now 2 years old, in detail. What you are saying above is an inaccurate summation of what I was arguing. So let me restate it and you can agree or disagree and show me where I err. For the most part, your recent postings regarding letting go of a lar/bar ideology appears to show that you understand what I may have been originally arguing (though not arguing for).

              First, I want to state for the record and for you (since you appear to focus your energy on me for some reason) that my statements are not advocacy positions. I may have my personal views on who best represents Pashtuns, but my posts are series of assessments based on events in history and other information as data points. For instance, if I see that Robert Pape has data that shows associations between NATO and ISAF movements and subsequent attacks, I agree and posit Pape's thesis regarding WHY these actions occur. By the same token, if people say Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, or Buddhism does nor does not allow for particular positions or tactics - I present arguments for why various actors on the scene might interpret scripture differently and which scholars they might refer to.

              So I think you took offense because you view it as my advocacy position that Wazirs and Mahsuds take part in the activities in question. This is NOT the case. I was discussing Wazir and Mashud actions in the light of history.

              My original statement was directed at the Kabul elites who are basically taking over for the decrepit Mohammadzai government and not using their brains when talking.

              Let's discuss paradox that they construct and why their stances basically ensure a prolonged Pakistan/Afghanistan/NATO conflict and conflageration:

              1) Karzai demands that Pakistan reign in militants - and he has specifically focused on the tribal areas in his demands - not on Panjab. Saleh (Azmal's mother/father hermophroditic being) has reiterated this stance.

              Back when Nek Mohammad and other folks in his fold were alive they meant people like him specifically.

              So up to now the argument makes sense. If Karzai stops here and his chiefs of staff make no further comments then a logical discussion that most in the world could understand will unfold.

              INSTEAD

              2) Karzai extends the argument and his colleagues make claims on KP. While I feel personally, that these claims are legitimate for a LEGITIMATE Afghan government to make (i.e. Karzai and his government are not legitimate while ISAF is required as life support) they are hardly legitimate when claim 1 is processed.

              No one is telling the Wazirs and Mahsuds and Bajauris to get involved, especially myself. If they decide all together that they want to adopt your Russian Orthodox Faith and worship iconography of Mary as depicted by Britney Spears, thats their perogitive. But, if folks like Nek and his crew do get involved - Karzai cannot simultaneously protest the land and then get mad about the fact that these tribals are involved. Historically, Amanullah crossed the British defined border and rallied the tribes to reclaim his throne and Nadir Shah did this as well to unseat Bachaa Saqo. These tribes were essential to these feats. These same leaders even awarded them lands on the other side of the border.

              Also, who is the Khost Protection Force killing on a day to day basis? Not Panjabies and surely not ISI folks tucked away safely elsewhere. They are killing FATA tribals that they view as incursion threats.

              So either Karzai and his colleagues have to reconcile the paradox or get used to the fact that historical gradients flow the way they do for reasons.

              Now, the typical response is some foolish retort by a wide eyed fanatic about how its surely not tribals but all ISI assets. Every single fighter must be an ISI automotan until proven otherwise. Basically, when the Wazir boy crosses the border he is no longer Wazir, but Hamid Gul's son. The same folks who argue in this vein have a difficult time with the dilemma that Nadir Shah had the same tribal leaders for Waziristan at his side that Amanullah did. Nadir, to many, betrayed Amanullah and was an extension of the British plot to unseat Amanullah. So why would those same Wazirs not have been deemed, by the Amanullahites as M16 or ISI equivalents after the fact? The usual malarchy is to claim that its not a popular movement but a few rabal rousers who are ISI stooges. I refer to this as bull dung because even in Amanullah and Nadir's time and in the Faqir of Ipi's time not every single Wazir and Mahsud or even most of them were involved. Even those guerilla insurgencies were led by a fraction of the FATA population. The Tajiites scream bloody murder because they claim the goal by these rabble rousers is to bring on the drones and attract unsavory characters. Oh really? Was Winston Churchill a savory character and were his brutal bombing campaigns on Wana equivalent to throwing flowers onto the people?

              And Karzai's actions border on absurd and more absurd as time goes by. He expects Pakistan to basically cede on what it decided long ago were three of its most important foreign policy red lines: India and an India friendly Afghanistan and loss of territory as it lost East Pakistan. Would he have said the same to Kennedy when the Russians had some silos in Cuba? Kennedy was ready to take us to the highest defcon level based on the presence of his mortal enemy in local seas in the Missile Crisis. This would be all good and well if Karzai drew a line in the sand and said clearly: Pakistan here is where you end and here is where we begin. Instead he expects concessions on all fronts but does so from a weaker position. He believes his positional strength comes from a concept I call "strategic galancing" because it is as flawed as "strategic depth." That is, he thinks NATO and ISAF will help him build a powerful state. All the while, they will be the equal and opposite force to Pakistan and its various groups. Then, when the time is right - his idiot mind will activate the ANA and seize what is Afghanistans. Then, everyone will hoist Karzai on their shoulders and pour gatorade on him to celebrate his amazing feat. After this is all over, Karzai will win a date with Kim Kardashian and she will be the second coming of Queen Soraya.

              The only legitimate claimant to KP will be when a sovereign Afghan government rises to power and creates the conditions for that claim to be enforced. That is cold hard reality. Until then, all they do with these schizophrenic requests that tell Wazirs and Mashuds that they have no role in Afghanistan yet claim the land that they live on is Afghan land is excite Pakistani vigilence and resolve to stay put and on the same course Pakistan remains on. In fact, its not ISI propaganda to note that the Pakistani people have seen an increase in instability but the feudal lords and army masters are enjoying the shiny US tech toys and money that keeps their country alive.

              And Azmaal you are still a sack of goat crap harami of Saleh during his time in the red light district of Panjshir so keep your big mouth shut since no descendent of Telai and a Lahori has a say here.
              "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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