TTP condemns Grossman’s statement about Durand Line

[khushal]

he's not being claimed as a Kurdish nationalist hero nor is he being claimed as "baba-e-hewad" or whatever nonsense

why is Americans saying that retarded? why can't Americans say that? You act like Americans are as gullible as the average Pashtun to praise past heroes. yes many Americans are, but many Americans rightfully critique George Washington without reservation, and I feel we should do the same with Khushal Khan

the reason being is because individuals like you, use their memory as some validation for criminal organizations like the Taliban, in their behavior and operations. This psychology of blind ancestor sanctification has to be nipped in the bud. Heck if we kept this going 200 years from now we may think Gulbuddin Hekmatyar was the 2nd Mir-Wais Khan and Karzai the 2nd Ahmad Shah

Which Americans are criticizing Washington? The retards like yourself who dont understand humanity.

Abdali never considered himself a nationalist either. He was respected by persians, Tajiks, Pashtuns and the muslims of south asia. The only ones that hated him were the hindus.

You cant compare Karzai or Hekmatyar to Abdali or Mirweis because Abdali united his people and many ethnicities and Karzai and hekmatyar has not accomplished that. Karzai is more of a Shuja in history. And its not pashtuns that give this respect to Abdali and Khushal khattak, it is Schoalrs from all backgrounds.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Which Americans are criticizing Washington? The retards like yourself who dont understand humanity.

Abdali never considered himself a nationalist either. He was respected by persians, Tajiks, Pashtuns and the muslims of south asia. The only ones that hated him were the hindus.

You cant compare Karzai or Hekmatyar to Abdali or Mirweis because Abdali united his people and many ethnicities and Karzai and hekmatyar has not accomplished that. Karzai is more of a Shuja in history. And its not pashtuns that give this respect to Abdali and Khushal khattak, it is Schoalrs from all backgrounds.

Where have you been Khushal, lots of Americans criticize George Washington, he was a Slave Owner and rapist. How do you think there are these black descendants of Washington? Start reading more.


why can't I compare Hekmatyar to Abdali,, Well then again Hekmatyar's men didn't rape as many women as Abdali's so perhaps you're right. But that's a comparison of scale. It's the comparison to Salahuddin Ayub which is absurd. Ayubi guarded the women of even KUFAR. Abdali raped women in scores. Ayubi is a true hero, Abdali is just a tyrant with good publicists who'll down play his wrongs. The examples of Ayubi's chivalry is untold. This is why all Muslims revere him.

Not all Muslims revere Abdali, in fact the only ones who revered him in history were zealots who wanted to see massacres of innocent people so they can regain power. i.e. Shah Waliyullah. and Abdali was used in Hyper-radicals to motivate Muslim movements in South Asia that eventually lead to the massacres during the partition and the formation of Pakistan.

Abdalis example only fuels cowardly bloodshed and slaughter

Mirwais and Abdali United his people? Abdali helped the Persians uproot a Pashtun rulership in Qandahar preceding him. That''s uniting his people? He then puts Qizilbash in charge of administering his government IN PERSIAN.

Most of our leaders were Shah Shujas, even Abdali, except Abdali was Shah Shuja for the Persian, Karzai is for the Americans. Why should we praise one and look down on the other? We should look down on both.


THIS IS EXACTLY what I'm talking about, you live in delusions and fabrications that never happened. Abdali was a LOYAL follower of Nader Shah Qoli, it was OTHER Qizilbash who assassinated and revolted, Abdali TOOK over Qoli's authority, quelled their rebellion then adopted them.

It's Pashtuns that believe the hype and use the hype to nurse some wounded sense of cultural self esteem.

[khushal]

Name some scholars who criticize Washington and you have to compare the criticism to the legacy he left behind.

Well if we use your logic, one can argue that Salahaldin was power hungary by keeping the crusader kingdom as a buffer state between him and his commander nurad din and refused his orders to attack the crusader kingdom with both of their combined forces from the north and east(nurad din foces) and the coast and the south(salahaldin's forces). He wanted to prevent nurad din to control egypt which salahaldin considered his little kingdom. Also didnt Salahaldin use mamluks who were slave soldiers bought and sold.

Your going insane now blaming the partition on abdali. hahaha. and you have read history wrong. Nadir Shah took Kandahar and freed Abdali from prison and I have already refuted the Quizilbash allegations because it is not mentioned in the the tarikh and most quizilbash and persian sources claim abdali was involved in nadir shahs assasination but acholars dismiss this. But why did Abdali sack Northeasern Iran and Herat from Nadir shahs grandson, why didnt the quizilbash rebel against him if he was sacking their cities. Those same sources you use claim that quizilbasj also administered the Moghul Empire as well when in reality its all a myth. The Quizilbash were allies of the brits against the duranis. Go read about Dost Mohammad who the quizilbash claim as their own but massacred many quizilbash because of their alliegence to the brits and read Abdur rahmans autobiogrphy who delcared the quizilbash as enemies of the state. Your living in delusion You pathetic loser.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

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Michael Coard
Barbara Alice Mann
Worthington Chauncy
Jared Sparks
Paul Hellman
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I could go on and on if I wanted


You can't really use that argument since that argument contradicts itself; How can you have a "buffer" state when you want to converge on it and eliminate that buffer? The point of retaking Jerusalem was liberation. Abdali wasn't liberating anything. You're not "using my logic" because my logic was much more sophisticated than your simplistically poor understanding of it


I never blamed the partition on Abdali, I'm saying Abdali's patrons are not noble people but generally corrupt and fanatical. That's why the Pakistanis harp on Abdali today because he was a murderous aggressor against Indians. That's what helped galvanize them to the partition

You straw man argument too much and that's why everyone thinks you're dumb and uneducated.

checkmate