Ghairat, Ezat, Efat, Nang and Namos

[AnGaaR]

and look @ the morons throwing money
i feel sad for them. all the day they sell cholai or kalol and night they come n throw the money on these girls..
what a shame and what an un islamic act..

[akbarkhan]

First of all thanks for sharing such thought-provoking video with us.

Then shame on you.

The women in this video are damay and rundai not Pashtanas. Swabi is in Pakhtunkhwa and its people are the finest and sweetest of Pashtuns. You are blaming this dances to be a work of ISI................What a non-sense. Accept it or not but Damans exist in our society.

I have read your post with attention and i have realized that you are mocking Pashtuns of Pakhtunkhwa !!!!.

Actually, shame on you for bringing ethnicity into this!

Shouldn't we treat everyone elses mothers/sisters like we require others to treat our own?

A woman's honour, dignity and welfare transcends ethnicity, but selfcentred p****s like you wrap their own women with a thousand robes yet enjoys the sight of another person's mother/sister being exploited in such inhumane and degrading manner!

The people who attend such parties don't have nang/ezat regardless of who they are and what background they hail from.

[Michin Khel]

Actually, shame on you for bringing ethnicity into this!

Shouldn't we treat everyone elses mothers/sisters like we require others to treat our own?

A woman's honour, dignity and welfare transcends ethnicity, but selfcentred pricks like you wrap their own women with a thousand robes yet enjoys the sight of another person's mother/sister being exploited in such inhumane and degrading manner!

The people who attend such parties don't have nang/ezat regardless of who they are and what background they hail from.

Dear self-proclaimed scholar of PF, let me throw some light on childish part in your previous post,

If you do abit of research you will find that a party like this can only be funded either by drug money or ISI money and thrown by those who shout the loudest about 'pashtunwali'.

ISI money funding these parties? in which kind of fantasy world you live?

These mujra parties and its morally corrupt participants are to be condemned but it doesnt mean that you should make ISI responsible for this.....it simply shows your low level of intellect and immaturity. What has your this thread about mujras has to do with "political discussions" section. You are clearly and shamelessly mocking khyber Pakhtubkhwa.



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but selfcentred pricks like you wrap their own women with a thousand robes

I am Prick? a self-proclaimed scholar like you is supposed to take care of forum rules and regulations. You are reported !

[Michin Khel]

Luffy,
What he means is your country on one hand bans facebook for religious reasons. But then it allows underground parties to go through. Pakistan has one of the largest prostitution rings in South Asia. These videos coming from Pakistan should be comdemned. If it's coming from Swabi, it should also be told to them to stop.

I sense biased points in your point, just because they are sweet does not mean you can ignore it.

Prostitution is a world wide phenomenon, it is not limited to a specific region.There are different ways to deal with this problem, one of the best is to overcome the povertry in that region.

Prostitution is a social problem , not a conpiracy from ISI.

And don't talk to Akbar Khan like that, he is one of the educated people on this board.

Please dont make it luffy vs akbar khan thing. You may be a fan of akbar khan but People with taliban mentality like akbar khan are no longer convincing for persons with sane minds. Every one here is educated , so it is not necessary that i have to agree with him just because he is educated.

[akbarkhan]

My response to Luffy or Fluffy rightly contained the word 'prick', so I got a 'warning' from the administration, yet the people who multidimensionally attack Islam on this forum get pat on the back.

I have urged the administration to turn their stupid warning to a complete ban.

ISI money funding these parties? in which kind of fantasy world you live?

These mujra parties and its morally corrupt participants are to be condemned but it doesnt mean that you should make ISI responsible for this.....it simply shows your low level of intellect and immaturity. What has your this thread about mujras has to do with "political discussions" section. You are clearly and shamelessly mocking khyber Pakhtubkhwa.

Little kid, you are yet to be introduced to the art of debate & rhetoric! If you had the intellectual capacity to ponder on what I have said, you would have realized that the point I made was something like this...

The Pashtuns that throw these kind of parties are the instruments of Pakistan security apparatus, your average Pashtun who knows Pashtunwali will never throw this kind of party nor would he waste his money on such low-life degrading gatherings.

Only the nihilistic Qadiyani fostered Pashtuns who run drugs, administer porno-theaters and abuse women engage in such repulsive deeds. Without the support of ISI and drug money they can't afford to throw such parties or roam freely given their vile undertakings i.e shama cinema where on the outside you have posters reading 'nikah - da pakhto rangeen film' and inside you have porn.

This thread is about social and political state of Pashtuns, the video clearly indicates the ground socio-political realities of the Pashtun community - next time think before you ink.

[akbarkhan]

Akbar Khan,

This has to do with them being immoral. At least its not like the Taliban's era where they would torture woman for being with a man other then there husband. The Taliban failed to understand a woman can have a brother. a cousin too.

Divert your kind attention to Heera Mandai before you talking about others.

[akbarkhan]

Why are you only looking at our negatives?

What about our Madrassahs, our scholas, our mosques, our 170million devout Muslims? all that goes away with just 1 bad group of people?

what kind of justice is this? Taliban was formed by the CIA to keep you Afghans in the stone age.

What is positive about the government of Pakistan?

Is it positive to let American empire to use your soil against your Muslim brethren for a few dimes and military equipment?

Is it positive to have a Masjid right in the middle of a red light district? Is it positive to have double standards?

Is it positive to allow American drones fly from Pakistani bases killing innocent human beings?

Is it positive to test your nuclear weapons in the Pashtun/Balochi areas instead of mountainous regions in remote Punjabi regions?

Is it positive to issue fatwas saying suicide bombing is haram "in pakistan".

Is it positive to have a drunkard as a 'chief executive of Pakistan'?

Is it positive to have Mr. 10% as a president?

Is it positive to fight proxy wars in region which is already soaked with innocent blood of Muslims?

Is it positive to hand over diplomats to United States?

Is it positive to have masonic temples in a Islamic country?

Is it positive to vaccinate babies with genetically engineered viruses?

Is it positive to give NATO the 'all is clear' signal to use Pakistani air space to attack fellow Muslims?

Is it positive to occupy land and then subject its inhabitants to systematic persecution?


Don't come and tell us who Taliban are and what they get upto! Sort your own act out first, stop bowing to and kissing the rear end of American hegemony!

[pir_Rokhan]

Military controlled Pakistan is responsible for the moral degradation of Pakhtuns due to two reasons.

First reason is correctly pointed out by Akbar Khan the crux of which is that this type of extravaganza is not possible without an implicit green signal from the higher echelons of power aka intelligence agencies and military supported elite class.

The second reason is the economic factor.

These dancers most of them do not do it voluntarily to satisfy their aesthetic taste by expressing symmetric beauty in the form of movements but due to financial and economic compulsion to earn bread if not butter.

Let me elaborate how ISI and other military institutions are responsible for the economic woes and their choice to opt for such means to earn money.

Pakistan is an army with a state not a state with an army.The defence budget due to much projected India phobia has been the major liability for its people. The budget allocation for education has not even been 2 percent. Majority of the population live below the poverty line.

Khyber Pashtunkhwa, FATA and Balochistan have been the most deprived ones among the provinces. Even South Punjab depicts a picture of 15th century land. Interior Sind is truly a reminessance of the post Mohammad bin Qasim invasion period. It is only North Punjab and Karachi which are milking the national exchequer of Pakistan.


So these poor and helpless women are mostly either the refugees from Afghanistan whose male family members got killed during the proxy war fought by ISI and CIA at the altar of Afghan land and using the Afghans as its fuel. Otherwise these women are the ones who cannot be taken care of by their families due to the humoungous poverty and inflation. This poverty ofcourse is a result of exploitation of resources%

[شمله ور خراساني]

how can islam be under attack when we have marvelous people like qrratugai who defend islam?

lol

[akbarkhan]

Akbar Khan, How dare you calla member a Prick. That is like the ultimate insult. And you feel bad for getting warned? A sta haya oh sharam sa so? First you was insulting Ozymandais, then qrratugai and now it seems like you insult eveyrone who does not agree with you. I am glad they sent you a warning for that. You broke the rules of PF and you got warned for it. If you don't want to follow the rules then be it. You are not above the law here. He raised a good point and you in return curse at him? And your excuse is Islam is under attack?

How can Islam be under attack when we have marvelous people like Sangar,Meemwawmeemnoun,Tor Khan, Mazhla,Azmatullah,Abu baker,Guley,Qrratugai, and many others here who defend Islam? 2 members that bashed Islam, both of them who I reported got banned. so stop trying to create drama.

If you cant refute a member then dont bother cursing at them either. this is not your average forums or community.

You are making threads about Ezat and ghairat but look at your very own posts. I really respect you but these kind of posts for your are changing my mind.

This is truly hillarious, it looks like the vast majority of members lack basic command of the everyday English language. The other day I used the term 'pissfart' and I got a warning for it. Why? Because the mod didn't know what it ment, the moderator thought it was a bad term because it had 'piss' and 'fart' in it.

Do you even know what prick means in modern colloquial English? It means "an idiot or contemptible person".

So lets put this in context, do a search on 'idiot' on PF and see how many posts/threads you get - no one has been warned for it.

[pir_Rokhan]

What is your counter reply to people who say we need Islamic Shariah and Taliban?

These "people" are no one else except our royally scrwed loyal "Pakistani Pakthuns" who are loyal servants rather slaves of the Punjabi imperialism embodied and encapsulated in the word Pakistan.We have quite a bunch of them in Pakhtunkhwa.

My reply to them as well as their mentors in GHQ is that :

If you believe in the Shariah so sincerely and if you consider Taliban to be your Messaih why dont you adopt Shariah in Pakistan and why do you deamonise Taliban so much in Pakistan.

How strange is it that you feel pain for Shariah's absence only for Afghansitan?

How illogical is it that your fathomless love for Taliban is limited to those in Afghanistan only and not in Pakistan?

[khyaal]

Why are you only looking at our negatives?

What about our Madrassahs, our scholas, our mosques, our 170million devout Muslims? all that goes away with just 1 bad group of people?

This is a big big exaggeration. You will hardly find any devout muslim here. An overwhelming majority of them are hypocrite, morally and financially corrupt and scoundrels.

what kind of justice is this? Taliban was formed by the CIA to keep you Afghans in the stone age.

CIA left Afghanistan after the 1988 Geneva Accord. Taliban were created during the early 90's (1994) by the ISI with the obvious intentions to ultimately turn afghanistan into Pakistan/Punjab's colony. You should know the difference between the former so-called Mujahedeen and Taliban. Taliban was a sole ISI enterprise.