Taliban beheaded 17 civinlin including women.

[IamDZJ]

you know, when you think about it, these stories don't make sense at all. i find it hard to believe that 17 people were killed for dancing and that two women chose to join 15 other men just to dance and they happened to have enough weapons on them to fight back. why is dancing so important all of a sudden??
there is something else going on that neither the government or the taliban was others to know of.

[faye]

one of those stories that has many differing reports about what happened.

[khushal]

you know, when you think about it, these stories don't make sense at all. i find it hard to believe that 17 people were killed for dancing and that two women chose to join 15 other men just to dance and they happened to have enough weapons on them to fight back. why is dancing so important all of a sudden??
there is something else going on that neither the government or the taliban was others to know of.

You are correct, if you read this story about the beheading back in dec of 2010, you could hypothesize about what happened in helmond. Since the boys/men had weapons, they were ready for a fight. I am guessing it was over the women.
http://aan-afghanistan.com/index.asp?id=561

Beheaded by the Taleban? No, this time it was about sex

posted: 12-01-2010 / by: Bette Dam
In Afghanistan, things are often more complicated than they look like at the first glance. Some armed fighting, for example, is motivated by local conflicts. But there are always people who are interested to present this as ‘Taleban’-driven. Our guest author BETTE DAM*, a Dutch journalist, pleads for more accuracy in reporting such incidents.
On New Year’s Day, six Afghans were beheaded in a village in Uruzgan province. Horrible news. The boys were young, some of them only 18 years old.

The New York Times was quick with the conclusion: the Taleban were behind it. They killed the men ‘because of their alliance with the Karzai government’. AFP told their readers they were killed ‘by the Taleban’, because of ‘spying’ for the Afghan government. Xinhua made it even more clear: the six beheaded Afghans were ‘ex-colleges’ from the Taleban who killed them. A Belgian newspaper presented the story like this: ‘A group of moderate Taleban held a meeting in a house and a terrorist Taleban-group came and beheaded them’, as provincial police commander Juma Gul told the journalist.

My first text message to an Afghan I work with in Tarinkot about what happened with the six victims was answered with: ‘Those people were madrassa Taleban’. For me that didn't explain anything; my experience is that you have to press a bit. Often the conflicts in the province seem too complex for the Afghans to take the effort to explain them to Westerners.

Others find it much easier to blame the Taleban for everything and get away with it. Besides that, especially the young Afghans I work with feel sometimes ashamed to speak about differences between their tribal leaders.
But I've been working with this Afghan colleague for two years and I know I can try it again. So I did. ‘But who was interested in killing them?’, I texted, in the hope to get names of tribal leaders who had an enmity between each other, or maybe something else. And again I got an unclear answer: ‘The Taleban killed among each other’. I felt something uncommon was going on; most of the time he is more direct. So I tried ‘Why did they do that then? Is it rivalry between groups? Were the two groups both from Tarinkot?’ It took a while… and then he replied that he talked to the leader of the jail who arrested four of the killers, and he told him the reason: ‘To be honest - they fought about a boy friend’.

After talking to the governor and an aid worker in Tarinkot I got it confirmed. The fights for sex with a boy ended up in the newspaper as a clash between Taleban ‘who become more strong in the province’, as one newspaper added.

The governor was clear: ‘No, it’s not extremist Taleban, they were not fighters, just students. We are researching it’, he said, ‘but yes, the idea is that it was about a boyfriend’.
The aid worker started laughing uncomfortable when I asked him the same question. ‘How can I explain to you what happened’, he tried. ‘Is it a Taleban-fight? ’, I asked. He quickly denied. ‘No fighters, no Taleban, it has nothing to do with that.’ Then he found how to put it: ‘Here we have a habit of... they fought about misusing a boy for love’.

So, what happened according to my sources, was as follows: In a village ten kilometer west of Tarinkot, the fight started amongst three small madrassas. Two of them, the governor explained, are for adults. The other one is for boys under 18. Two adult groups wanted to take a ‘boyfriend’ from the children’s madrassa but a disagreement started between them. In the night, one adult group attacked the other adult group. They first killed their targets (some of them were sleeping, others were studying) and after that they beheaded them. ‘For Tarinkot, this is also very unusual”, the aid worker said.

It is the second time in a few weeks that media write about 'Taleban' responsible for certain killings while there seems to be a different reality. The latest suicide attack in Dehrawod in November – where 13 people got killed (see our blog about this incident here) - was also about two local groups who had a rivalry amongst each other for years now.

Especially these days, when thousands of American soldiers prepare themselves for ‘war’ in Afghanistan, it is important for the media to take the lead and ask the question: What is really going on in Afghanistan? Is there ‘increasing Taleban influence’ and where? What is the real background of local conflicts? Who exactly is the enemy the soldiers are going to fight? At the same time it is not sufficient to use Afghanistan’s complexity as a pretext for superficial reporting: As it is shown here, the background of incidents like the one in the Tarinkot madrassa can be discovered relatively easily, with a bit of patience and leaving behind the black-and-white picture about the Taleban. This way, the public gets to know what Afghanistan really is about and what the soldiers stand for when they depart to the country any time soon.

* Bette Dam is a freelance journalist based in the Netherlands, traveling regularly to Afghanistan, in particular to Uruzgan. She is the author of the book ‘Expeditie Uruzgan: De weg van Hamid Karzai naar het paleis’ (Expedition Uruzgan: Hamid Karzai’s way into his palace, Arbeiderspers, Amsterdam and Antwerpen 2009).

[khushal]

The story about the woman in Parwan who was executed for adultery this summer was later found that she was executed because two commanders were involved with her and the two commanders wanted to save their own image so they got rid of her so the news about their own misdeeds wouldnt spread.

http://www.rferl.org/content/alleged.../24640016.html

According to Salangi, two Taliban commanders involved in the execution were sexually involved with the woman, either through rape or romantically. In order to save face, the two men, Mullah Azatullah and the other known only as "Qader,” held a makeshift trial and hastily executed her within a few hours to settle their dispute.

[Shah-i-Kot]

You know what I noticed the Taliban supporters are very silent right now, or they're just jumping on irrelevant posts by other members.

People are against war and generally US/Western interference in that region, Asia and the Middle East.

That does not necessarily mean a person supports the Taliban or for instance in regards to non-intervention in Syria, supports Assad.

This incident was not due to the Taliban. The media seems to blame every incident like this on the Taliban.

[R3SISTANC3]

All that outrage and cries...OH NOI EVIL TALIBAN DEVIL WORSHIPPERS OH NOI!!!!

And yet: were shot or beheaded by their own villagers and insurgents enraged by their "immorality".

Enraged family members (must be devil worshiping family members...like typical Pashtun Afghans...OH NOI!!!!) of the two girls were among the attackers, villager Mohammad Gul told Reuters, backed by about five Taliban members from a nearby insurgent stronghold called Baghnai.

Taliban spokesman Qari Yousuf denied the group was involved in a massacre that has provoked another bout of outrage at a time when the insurgency is keen to project a more moderate face.

"The boys must have been drunk, fighting one another. We were not involved," Yousuf said on Monday.


So I guess Pashtunwali is Talibanism!?! This proves according to all the detractors here that Pashtun = Taliban. This is exactly what will happen in a Pashtun village in such a situation. Warka dang! :D Although I believe that it wouldn't have been this bad if the partying group hadn't fired. FYI, something very similar happened in our village though the women were not local. Still ended up very bloody.


Looks like embolden lover boys watching too many Hindi flicks and TOLO tv programme forgot which country they were in.

[R3SISTANC3]

you know, when you think about it, these stories don't make sense at all. i find it hard to believe that 17 people were killed for dancing and that two women chose to join 15 other men just to dance and they happened to have enough weapons on them to fight back. why is dancing so important all of a sudden??
there is something else going on that neither the government or the taliban was others to know of.

Typical secular ayashi gone wrong. Ayashi lover boys with fancy hair cuts high on Bollywood movies come to gudaar, influence naive village girls to party, family finds out. Family find local insurgents because ayashi gang are armed to teeth took their women. Insurgents with relatives confront ayashi gang. Ayashi gang high on chars powder fires in show of bravado. The rest we all know.

I think this is how that whole Afghan vs. Soviets/Communists/Secular/Liberal war started. It's Afghanisan, not Pakistan or India. Even the Tajiks would slaughter you like sheep let alone you do this in a Pashtun area.

[Pisho]

Exactly that's what I said all of this is too fishi.. One of the tv news even said they were dumped somewhere.. It's a cover up.. Some one ****ed up really bad and now everyone says different things and Taliban got blamed.. Resistance plz I dont really think it's the girls family members.. I mean c'mon man some one just felt like going on a killing spree and they did.. I know this from experience people In Helmand and uruzgan.. Like random people are jailed for crimes they don't commit.. It's like being at the wrong place at the wrong time.. Or just minding your own business and they lock u up for some **** that happened and apparently the person that committed the crime.. Way tor pato ye pa zan pechalay wo.. Bya no zan ting ka... Ka ta tor pato walare lol and be in 10 20 miles of that area haha that's ****ed up.. But I heard about 5 real life stories that happened in Helmand alone

[R3SISTANC3]

You know what I noticed the Taliban supporters are very silent right now, or they're just jumping on irrelevant posts by other members.

Yet the truth of the matter has silenced you NATO/US supporter. I mean if you are not a Taliban supporter, then obviously you are a NATO/US supporter. Just like if you are not a NATO/US supporter, pro-war tool, you must be a closet terrorist G-haadi.

Soldiers won’t face criminal charges for Quran burning, urination video

http://www.firstpost.com/world/soldiers-wont-face-criminal-charges-for-quran-burning-urination-video-433344.html

He also says that US soldiers disregarded an Afghan officer and an interpreter who tried to tell them that burning the Quran would be viewed by Afghans as a desecration of Islam’s holiest text. “That US service members did not heed the warnings of their [Afghan] partners is, perhaps, my biggest concern,” General Watson writes.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2012/0828/Quran-burning-report-a-window-on-growing-Afghan-on-US-violence

^^So if you don't support such idiocy, systematic assault on a local populations religious and cultural sensitives on whom an illegal war has been imposed....you are a Taliban supporter. Straw-man all you want, you still have no moral ground over the matter.

[R3SISTANC3]

Exactly that's what I said all of this is too fishi.. One of the tv news even said they were dumped somewhere.. It's a cover up.. Some one ****ed up really bad and now everyone says different things and Taliban got blamed.. Resistance plz I dont really think it's the girls family members.. I mean c'mon man some one just felt like going on a killing spree and they did.. I know this from experience people In Helmand and uruzgan.. Like random people are jailed for crimes they don't commit.. It's like being at the wrong place at the wrong time.. Or just minding your own business and they lock u up for some **** that happened and apparently the person that committed the crime.. Way tor pato ye pa zan pechalay wo.. Bya no zan ting ka... Ka ta tor pato walare lol and be in 10 20 miles of that area haha that's ****ed up.. But I heard about 5 real life stories that happened in Helmand alone

It makes perfect sense that relatives were involved. I mean usually insurgents would just shoot people for adultery, spying etc. this is unique. When was the last time insurgents beheaded people, including women, for partying? The outrage can only come from relatives. Similar things have been happened where relatives have skinned and cut to pieces (alive) their women folks for doing such things.

Strangers like insurgents will waste a bullet on you. Not get their hands dirty. It is an act of kolaveri di.

[Pisho]

It makes perfect sense that relatives were involved. I mean usually insurgents would just shoot people for adultery, spying etc. this is unique. When was the last time insurgents beheaded people, including women, for partying? The outrage can only come from relatives. Similar things have been happened where relatives have skinned and cut to pieces (alive) their women folks for doing such things.

Strangers like insurgents will waste a bullet on you. Not get their hands dirty. It is an act of kolaveri di.

I know where ur going with this.. I think ur analyzing the situation way too close and ur forgetting.. That some people have no life lol I mean c'mon I'm not gonna start calling names but the people that go to fight the war on "terror" are mostly those that played video games all their life.. Da doy da kora sa ze Che yow so nafara mla ke.. It's just like the game and then they will get another chance at it.. If u know what I mean.. Me personally after reading all the articles about it and listening to the news the only think I can think of is someone(maybe a soldier maybe not) messd up and da taliban are a cover up.. I mean I don't support no one. I support the truth.. But I like ur idea.. It may be it also no one knows the truh.. And no one will ever know

[khushal]

REsistance is one a few of the people here that has an idea of what the ground realities are in the rural areas. Pisho, he is right, strangers dont want to get their hands dirty and start a badi with other khels(families). The most likely hypothesis is that family members were involved, we dont even know if the women were kidnapped. Why were these people armed, obviously they were ready to defend themselves against an attack.

[Afghanistan2010]

you know, when you think about it, these stories don't make sense at all. i find it hard to believe that 17 people were killed for dancing and that two women chose to join 15 other men just to dance and they happened to have enough weapons on them to fight back. why is dancing so important all of a sudden??
there is something else going on that neither the government or the taliban was others to know of.

You believe what you read and hear...without questioning it....shame for calling yourself a human and all those who have this way of arguing and thinking

[Afghanistan2010]

Exactly that's what I said all of this is too fishi.. One of the tv news even said they were dumped somewhere.. It's a cover up.. Some one ****ed up really bad and now everyone says different things and Taliban got blamed.. Resistance plz I dont really think it's the girls family members.. I mean c'mon man some one just felt like going on a killing spree and they did.. I know this from experience people In Helmand and uruzgan.. Like random people are jailed for crimes they don't commit.. It's like being at the wrong place at the wrong time.. Or just minding your own business and they lock u up for some **** that happened and apparently the person that committed the crime.. Way tor pato ye pa zan pechalay wo.. Bya no zan ting ka... Ka ta tor pato walare lol and be in 10 20 miles of that area haha that's ****ed up.. But I heard about 5 real life stories that happened in Helmand alone

Sick *******s... I bet no one would do anything I they had a guy dancing in between all the twalibas.... Hate to say it but helmand is just one of those places now that has no hope an its sucks to say it cuz I'm from there

Actually whoever did it.. Did a great job covering up.. Of course they will blame everything on the Taliban.. No one likes them anyways.. Now a days every say they r in the taliban lol so it will be easy to just say ahhh it's just the crazy taliban.. And the media ohh I love how the media makes it even juicier
Taliban spokesman for southern Afghanistan could not be reached for comment uhhh duhhh ofcourse he is not gonna say anything

I watched it on milli channel today I believe they even killed Forces but don't quote me on that cuz my Persian is weak..
Anyways we must all keep in mind that most ppl in Afghanistan do drugs and this place is close to lashkargaw where u can find booze..

Just to make it clear I do not support any political party... They can all go to hell.. from the taliban to commies to masudian and everything in between, they are the real reason why afghanistan the way it is right now

And Allah says in Surah 49 / Ayah 6

O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful.

[Afghanistan2010]

All that outrage and cries...OH NOI EVIL TALIBAN DEVIL WORSHIPPERS OH NOI!!!!

And yet: were shot or beheaded by their own villagers and insurgents enraged by their "immorality".

Enraged family members (must be devil worshiping family members...like typical Pashtun Afghans...OH NOI!!!!) of the two girls were among the attackers, villager Mohammad Gul told Reuters, backed by about five Taliban members from a nearby insurgent stronghold called Baghnai.

Taliban spokesman Qari Yousuf denied the group was involved in a massacre that has provoked another bout of outrage at a time when the insurgency is keen to project a more moderate face.

"The boys must have been drunk, fighting one another. We were not involved," Yousuf said on Monday.


So I guess Pashtunwali is Talibanism!?! This proves according to all the detractors here that Pashtun = Taliban. This is exactly what will happen in a Pashtun village in such a situation. Warka dang! :D Although I believe that it wouldn't have been this bad if the partying group hadn't fired. FYI, something very similar happened in our village though the women were not local. Still ended up very bloody.


Looks like embolden lover boys watching too many Hindi flicks and TOLO tv programme forgot which country they were in.

I quoted this that people once again can read this....