Listen to this so called journalist

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Economists argue that positions of labor should be based on merit no matter if the person is native or not. The guy in the video is arguing that it should be offered to the native first even though a person from another country who has applied is more qualified and could probably produce more for less. T

I didn't say EVERYTHING he says is correct, but he's right when it comes to the majority of Muslims in Europe.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Dear RTR, the people who live in Europe on wellfare and on the other hand feel superior are however not specifically Muslim - there are enough people from eastern europe, and even from my country who do the same. This does depend much on the parents. Also I know the specific counterexamples from my school in Germany, my Afghan clasmates got much more skilled and educated than the average germans.

But the question is do they remain on welfare and not attempt to use the resources available to elevate themselves out of it? That's what welfare is intended for.

that's the problem, you rely on examples which are generally in Statistics called "outliers" ; where as the Bell curve shows the distribution of Muslims on welfare is shocking.

[Tjanaparh]

But the question is do they remain on welfare and not attempt to use the resources available to elevate themselves out of it? That's what welfare is intended for.

that's the problem, you rely on examples which are generally in Statistics called "outliers" ; where as the Bell curve shows the distribution of Muslims on welfare is shocking.

Yes You are right , I rely on experiences, even if on many experiences.
Mostly as I have seen however people do remain on welfare. Because these people who live on welfare are often a kind of social **** without any interest than money. I heard from a friend for example about some Armenians who live in Belgium on welfare, they went there and told that they are Azeri(but they are not) and told that they were persecuted in armenia.
You can immagine what these people do to the reputation of my country only to get some money. Mostly such people have even a good economical situation inside the country.

But Can You show me the statistics You talk about!
I think we should be however careful on how such statistics are composed, but at least if you have knowledge let's take a look on it.

[khushal]

I didn't say EVERYTHING he says is correct, but he's right when it comes to the majority of Muslims in Europe.

The modern economy can turn a handicap idiot into an asset. In reality, subsidy is given to everyone, not just those you think is on welfare. Resources are plenty in western economies and the distribution of resources is actually diverted to the rich more than the poor who are on "welfare." We have subsidy given to farmers who cant compete on the free market. We have subsidy given to many businesses such as airlines who go bankrupt every five years, to banks who are too big to fail, to the automobile industry who are vital to the econmy, Insurance companies who take the economy hostage, the healthcare industry who rip off the consumers, etc.

If muslims are the problem because they are on so called welfare in europe, then they are minute compared to the welfare given to the industries mentioned.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Again you're ignoring the KEY factor; CONTRIBUTING to the state weallth pool. Very few Muslims are doing that in Europe, compared to OTHER immigrants.

And you're probably right about Industries; hence why I don't advocate a capitalist economy. But in their capitalist system, money leads to power and merit leads to money, the Muslims do not have that, hence they're just dead weight in Europe. They should trim the fat.

Also you're doing that logical fallacy again; Amalgamizing the West to include America when we're specifically referring to Europe; you have a bad habit of this in discussions

[khushal]

show us the charts and statistics of your claims please.

I Include America because you could say the same thing about blacks in america and we are talking about economic principle. I dont really think there is such a thing as creating wealth, wealth is stolen and pillaged. Capitalism is just a method of distributing that wealth among the robbers. It is an effecient method because it automatically puts the "dead weight" as you put it on the sidelines. They dont really get in the way and the economy keeps going by the willing. Because of technological advances, one person can take care of hundreds of "dead weight" or "lazy" people.

[faye]

not only capitalism, khushal. same thing happened in the old days with the imperialists distributing booty amongst the elite.
so called 'blacks' are not immigrants, in general, if you mean african americans. they are from the slave trade in africa aren't they, mostly? so were forced to be in america due to being stolen from their land, by the slavers and shipped to america by force, to be used as slaves, to develop the country that you live in.

[khushal]

I know they are not immigrants but most Americans consider blacks as "dead weight" the way RTR are describing muslims in europe. Except for a universal healthcare, free education, America and Europe are not that much different as far as economics are concerned.

Capitalism is good as far as monopolies are put in check.

[faye]

the governmrents of europe also have to be blamed for the situations there. people need to be integrated to alien societies, with assistance. some of the immigrants already have many issues from their harsh lives in wartorn countries.
africans immigrants from somalia and sudan,(i think it is those 2), are showing high rates of crime in australia,and i know from experiance of trying to speak with africans here, they don't communicate well, are shy or don't make an effort to respond. other races tend to make an effort even if they don't speak much english.
i usually talk to foreigners to ask about their place of origin, as i've been to so many places and we can then chat about their home country.