ISI is the source of all Afghan Woes: NOT

[erlangner]

ANP day ISI khilaf khabaray wilay na ka wee?

Kawee walay na kawee. Taso ghwarae che hagha staso pa marzae khabbara okri. Hagh pa khpal room ao position ta gori khabbarra ba kawee.
Dalta pa thread ke ao pa realities ke farq wee maseed sahib.
taso walay khabbara ANP ta rawrae. Khabarra de ISI rawan da. and all of the people here in thread are agreee upon the proxies ISI is using, but what can be done.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Kawee walay na kawee. Taso ghwarae che hagha staso pa marzae khabbara okri. Hagh pa khpal room ao position ta gori khabbarra ba kawee.
Dalta pa thread ke ao pa realities ke farq wee maseed sahib.
taso walay khabbara ANP ta rawrae. Khabarra de ISI rawan da. and all of the people here in thread are agreee upon the proxies ISI is using, but what can be done.

Sha

What we need, is a vanguard style militant group that will fight for Pashtun rights through any means neccessary, No more peace talks and no more comprimising our people for gifts of money and develpment packages.

Pakhtunkhwa is our soil and by our own hands we will build it and develop it.

We should target all those politicans who work against Pashtuns and prevent their propaghanda and movement in our region.

No more bacha khan baba da gha will aow Pashtun peaceful movement dai etc etc etc. Without a strong armed struggle we will never succeed but get used by all sides.

Kind Regards

[erlangner]

Being the strategic maseed, what is the result of your ideas. I mean how many followers you have till now? What will be the plan for this armed movement? What are the success chances? I mean your sound and abstract plan for success.
Because in papers it is easy but to mobilize the people in reality is a difficult job. What will be your slogan for this movement? I mean without attractive slogan, it is impossible. Then to deny Bacha Khan non-violance and to overcome it will be a hard to. What is your plan for it. Just say good bye Bacha Khan Baba non-violance will not help.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Being the strategic maseed, what is the result of your ideas. I mean how many followers you have till now? What will be the plan for this armed movement? What are the success chances? I mean your sound and abstract plan for success.
Because in papers it is easy but to mobilize the people in reality is a difficult job. What will be your slogan for this movement? I mean without attractive slogan, it is impossible. Then to deny Bacha Khan non-violance and to overcome it will be a hard to. What is your plan for it. Just say good bye Bacha Khan Baba non-violance will not help.

Bacha Khans non violence was always a failure, and due to it being a failure, Pashtuns resulted in being forced to join Pakistan.

Well, my plan is very basic,bring awareness of the situation to the people and highlight to other pashtuns the misery and massacre that is going on in the tribal region by Pakistan Army.

Through this awareness, Iam sure Pashtuns will gather and unite, but sadly, ANP and other Pakistani Political Parties are more interested in the vote than the people.

Bacha Khans theory of non violence is clear non sense and has done nothing for Pashtuns but made them soft and easily used by others. We are not as numberous as Indians are to sit down and accept punishment.

We should follow the example of Mirza Ali Khan and adapt his tactics by publishing underground Nationalistic litature through newspapers leaflets etc.

We should expose these so called fake Nationalists who run to Punjab when things get tough and hard.

Once the parasites are eradicated from Pashtun society, then iam sure the hands who guide us to the wrong way will no longer control us.

Let me make this clear to you, ANP is not a Nationalist Party, a good example of a Nationalist Party is the baloch Liberation Army.

These softy pussy cat ANP who cowardly request Pak fauge to bomb Pashtun villages while they preach to us real Nationalists that non violence is the key for success but sadly in the context of ones liberation from the oppressor being Pakistan, the armed struggle is the key for our true liberation.

Kind Regards

[Son of Mountains]

KKK

Thanks for sharing truths here

[MazloomyarMaseed]

KKK

Thanks for sharing truths here

hahaha SOM and truth is a oxy moron.

Go and Ask your Paaakisttani government why the founder of Lashkar e taybba Terrorist group was released and why he is supported by big PLM N figures.

SOM, I bet you tell people on Pakistani Forums that you are related to Nawaz Sharif.

Go outside of your Army colony and see the real world little boy.

Kind Regards

[Son of Mountains]

SOM, I bet you tell people on Pakistani Forums that you are related to Nawaz Sharif.

Go outside of your Army colony and see the real world little boy.

Kind Regards

LOL, you have lost in the bet totally.
Again LOL......I have only 1 cousin serving in Army....no otherbody.
Neither i live in Army colony....actually i m optimistic unlike you!

[afghan]

i absoloutly agree with Kushal and Son of mountain, the ISI have no power to be involved. ISI is forced into this. its fully controled by CIA, mossad, M16. here is an old article but i still find it useful.

that ISI would be using its human assets [10]; its human assets will be linked to the CIA, M16 and others; the human assets will be meeting Osama and the foreign agencies at the same time; the Chief of the ISI will also be meeting his human assets as well as the high level officials in the US around the same time and also wiring money ($100,000)[11] to the lead "hijacker” in the Operation 9/11.
Musharraf’s connections to foreign intelligence agencies since the early period [15] of his carrier suggests that he is not out of the loop when it comes to operation 9/11. He is one of the main culprits. If any other individual had sent even a dime to Atta, he might have died of waterboarding and other torture techniques by now. However, General Mohamoud is a free main in Pakistan. So despite deep connections to the alleged hijackers to the ISI, nothing happens to the Pakistani Generals or Pakistan as such. To the contrary, remember how former CIA director James Woolsey tried to prove [16] Atta met Iraq security officials, but could not. That was the time when they were looking for justifications for the war of aggression on Iraq.
read the full article.
http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/48945

[erlangner]

Bacha Khans non violence was always a failure, and due to it being a failure, Pashtuns resulted in being forced to join Pakistan.

Well, my plan is very basic,bring awareness of the situation to the people and highlight to other pashtuns the misery and massacre that is going on in the tribal region by Pakistan Army.

Through this awareness, Iam sure Pashtuns will gather and unite, but sadly, ANP and other Pakistani Political Parties are more interested in the vote than the people.

Bacha Khans theory of non violence is clear non sense and has done nothing for Pashtuns but made them soft and easily used by others. We are not as numberous as Indians are to sit down and accept punishment.

We should follow the example of Mirza Ali Khan and adapt his tactics by publishing underground Nationalistic litature through newspapers leaflets etc.

We should expose these so called fake Nationalists who run to Punjab when things get tough and hard.

Once the parasites are eradicated from Pashtun society, then iam sure the hands who guide us to the wrong way will no longer control us.

Let me make this clear to you, ANP is not a Nationalist Party, a good example of a Nationalist Party is the baloch Liberation Army.

These softy pussy cat ANP who cowardly request Pak fauge to bomb Pashtun villages while they preach to us real Nationalists that non violence is the key for success but sadly in the context of ones liberation from the oppressor being Pakistan, the armed struggle is the key for our true liberation.

Kind Regards

Are you sure, no one is using you. Why you will kill Pashtoon Nationalists. I think again your needle stopped at ANP. Leave ANp, what it is doing. DO you think, if ANP will be removed then you will be succeeded?
My dear may you are very strong nationalist, and well intended person, but your theory will be buried with you like of Mirza Ali Khan. Faqir Ipi theory buried with him.
Bitter fact dear.
But if you really want, then you should hit the pakistan army, and I think ANP will never interfere. lets you can try. But you know Baloch natioanlists never killed baloch people., they killed punjabis and pakistana rmy my dear and here at this one point your thinking is different.
YOu should recognize your enemy. But one thing more dear, if I am a Pashtoon living on Pakhtoon soil, but dont want to join your movement, and still preach non-violance, what will be your treatment with me?
It means if I dont accept your ideology?

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Are you sure, no one is using you. Why you will kill Pashtoon Nationalists. I think again your needle stopped at ANP. Leave ANp, what it is doing. DO you think, if ANP will be removed then you will be succeeded?
My dear may you are very strong nationalist, and well intended person, but your theory will be buried with you like of Mirza Ali Khan. Faqir Ipi theory buried with him.
Bitter fact dear.
But if you really want, then you should hit the pakistan army, and I think ANP will never interfere. lets you can try. But you know Baloch natioanlists never killed baloch people., they killed punjabis and pakistana rmy my dear and here at this one point your thinking is different.
YOu should recognize your enemy. But one thing more dear, if I am a Pashtoon living on Pakhtoon soil, but dont want to join your movement, and still preach non-violance, what will be your treatment with me?
It means if I dont accept your ideology?

As i said before, ANP are not Pashtun Nationalists. They are party who works for the smaller nations of PAKISTAN not Pashtuns/Pukhtuns.

You see, the difference between me and you is that i was radical change by force, unlike you who want to waste time preaching peace and unity with the enemies of Pashtuns.

There is no such thing as Peace when it comes to war. The only people who will be using me for my services would be my own people instead of a ANP who are only popular in Swat and absolutely disowned and hated by most Pashtuns, not for their views on Pashtun unity but for being cowards and hipocrites.

If you reject Pashtun Unity, you must be punished or exiled. Anybody working against the unification of Pashtuns should be educated first, but if they refuse to support it, they should be publically shown as being nothing but traitors.

Any Pashtun, on a top level, who preaches non violence but supports Pakistan Air force to bombardment and flatten villages and homes, should be killed or thrown into Jail, judged on their level of betrayal.

I dont beleive all this bacha khan baba business and his system, He had the chance for a armed rebellion but then again, he failed at that as well.

There is absolutely nothing Nationalistic about ANP besides that they enjoy getting drunk and listening to Urdu poems sung by Non Pashtuns as you can see a video clearly demostrating it on youtube.

Anybody, wheather Talib,Nationalist,Mullah,Communist who is working against Pashtuns to serve others, should be arrested,killed or exiled.

Kind Regards

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Are you sure, no one is using you. Why you will kill Pashtoon Nationalists. I think again your needle stopped at ANP. Leave ANp, what it is doing. DO you think, if ANP will be removed then you will be succeeded?
My dear may you are very strong nationalist, and well intended person, but your theory will be buried with you like of Mirza Ali Khan. Faqir Ipi theory buried with him.
Bitter fact dear.
But if you really want, then you should hit the pakistan army, and I think ANP will never interfere. lets you can try. But you know Baloch natioanlists never killed baloch people., they killed punjabis and pakistana rmy my dear and here at this one point your thinking is different.
YOu should recognize your enemy. But one thing more dear, if I am a Pashtoon living on Pakhtoon soil, but dont want to join your movement, and still preach non-violance, what will be your treatment with me?
It means if I dont accept your ideology?

Mirza Ali Khan fought for a Pashtunistan for Pashtuns only, he wasnt like Bacha Khan who was deceived by the Indians and at the end accepted Pakistan as his country.

Mirza Ali Khan died till his last breath for a Pashtun state unlike the sons of bacha khan who shake hands with Pakistan and promote this non sense pacifist ideology on one hand but on the other hand they bombardment Pashtun villages for their daily wages and vote bank.

Bacha Khan may have had good intentions but he was used by the Indians for their own evil designs and now the same is happening with his sons who are being used by Pakistan.

ANP do not want a Pashtunistan