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  • #31
    Originally posted by Khostai View Post
    I am sociaal democrat. And of course secularist. Yes KGODB Ummah is over like Communism, but let them dream about it.
    but what if it comes back again ....or better yet, what if a brand new type of ummah emerges, will you try to oppose it or prevent it from happening?

    remember these are hypothetical questions, so kindly respond within the context of the question.
    [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

    2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
      but what if it comes back again ....or better yet, what if a brand new type of ummah emerges, will you try to oppose it or prevent it from happening?

      remember these are hypothetical questions, so kindly respond within the context of the question.
      If it comes, what I really doubt, then for me it would be a disapointment, but becuase I am democrat and if the majority of the peopel really want it, than who am I to opose it, I would do nothing and just watch how it develops, if it brings justice and end to poverty and corruption I would just stay the rest of my life in Europe, if not I would travel to Afghanistan and start a political movement for democratisation and secularisation of the country.

      The reason that I would never live in muslim or any other theocratic country is that religion laws and rules suffocates me.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Khostai View Post
        If it comes, what I really doubt, then for me it would be a disapointment, but becuase I am democrat and if the majority of the peopel really want it, than who am I to opose it, I would do nothing and just watch how it develops, if it brings justice and end to poverty and corruption I would just stay the rest of my life in Europe, if not I would travel to Afghanistan and start a political movement for democratisation and secularisation of the country.

        The reason that I would never live in muslim or any other theocratic country is that religion laws and rules suffocates me.
        thank you for your honest opinion; I respect that.
        [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Khostai View Post
          If it comes, what I really doubt, then for me it would be a disapointment, but becuase I am democrat and if the majority of the peopel really want it, than who am I to opose it, I would do nothing and just watch how it develops, if it brings justice and end to poverty and corruption I would just stay the rest of my life in Europe, if not I would travel to Afghanistan and start a political movement for democratisation and secularisation of the country.

          The reason that I would never live in muslim or any other theocratic country is that religion laws and rules suffocates me.
          So from your last line, you would never live in Afghanistan and favor Europe?
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          • #35
            Originally posted by حکیم خان اورګونی View Post
            So from your last line, you would never live in Afghanistan and favor Europe?
            If don't change, if its gona choose Saudie or Iranian style regime, then I am out of there, I would visit my family there in the summer, but really living there no can't do. I am just honest, I can't live in that type of country, sunner or later I would say something and before you know it, they will be choping off my head for blasphamy or something.....

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            • #36
              Originally posted by al-arab
              So you don't care whether that government is an Islamic just government or a secular/western just government? You are not following Islam then.

              And if you care so much about justice why don't you short the problems out in AFghanistan and Yemen first before criticizing others?

              If you are really as just as you claim to be why do you then support militant shi'ah extremists who are killing fellow Arabs and Muslims?

              No, I never see you support for them. All you do is meddling in Arab business in Saudi Arabia and Iraq without knowing the realities. If you are so neutral as you claim then you should support both sides and condemnn but the sides crimes. But the problem is that you don't.

              So much for your talk of education, reason, hypocrisy etc.

              Apply them to you first then people might respect what you say despite the differences.

              All you do here is tell how great you are, how great your Mu'tazilah sect is (despite being long gone and not present anymore only among 0,05 of all Muslims), how wrong all we other Muslims are etc.

              I wonder how you are in real life. Are you the same in real life? If yes then don't wonder why you are not married yet. I, as I told before, am sure that you are better than that.

              Have you also ever wondered why you are always fighting with every member here?

              Justice is the most important thing in Islam, so if the Government is Justice, then Islam teaches us to support that. So on the contrary I am following exactly what Islam says.


              “O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even if it be against yourselves, your parents, and your relatives, or whether it is against the rich or the poor...” (Quran 4:135)

              I think this is something you fail to understand because in Saudia they never really learn Islam; they just learn man made interpretations; that is why you are ruled by Kings and not Justice.I don't support Militant Shi'ites; I just support oppressed people against Oppressors; Saudis are oppressing Muslims all over. I support them fighting against corrupt Agents of Saudi Arabia and repelling them so that no longer will there be suicide bombings. I support Pashtuns against the oppression of Taliban and Imperialists.

              It is you who don't stand for injustice; you sit in Saudia nd never protest your government even when it is a slave of Israel and America
              Last edited by RevolutionThroughReason; 07-18-2012, 12:22 PM.
              [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

              2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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              • #37
                But I have my hoope, Afghanistan will become secular, togheter whith Iran and other so called "muslim"countries. :D

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                  If don't change, if its gona choose Saudie or Iranian style regime, then I am out of there, I would visit my family there in the summer, but really living there no can't do. I am just honest, I can't live in that type of country, sunner or later I would say something and before you know it, they will be choping off my head for blasphamy or something.....
                  I would also not live there if was that type of regime.

                  Insha`Allah, the current one is better than Iran or Saudi living conditions, by that I mean the Afghans are currently more free to do what they want than Iranians or Saudis are in their countires.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                    But I have my hoope, Afghanistan will become secular, togheter whith Iran and other so called "muslim"countries. :D
                    When Europe becomes Muslim.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by حکیم خان اورګونی View Post
                      When Europe becomes Muslim.
                      we will see

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                        we will see
                        You are very old, Matounwola.
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                        Pro-Black is Pro-Righteous!

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                        • #42
                          Justice is very clear; something which is fair and benefits the most people. Saudi Arabia you claim follows Shari'ah right? But women are abused , killed for witchcraft and other ridiculous so called crimes. Is that Justice?

                          If Shariah brings justice I am all for it but the point is IT brings Justice; brings harm to no one and gives people their rights, no matter who they are. THIS is Justice.
                          [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                          2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                          • #43
                            I support Justice ...Islam teaches justice; but not everyone who supports Shari'ah supports jusice; Look at Taliban and Saudia arabia

                            Mutzilah support Justice so I support them. That's why they're called "Ahl Al Tawhid wal 'Adl"

                            wherever there is TRUE Justice THAT is the True Shari'ah.
                            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by حکیم خان اورګونی View Post
                              When Europe becomes Muslim.
                              when the 'muslims' become muslims, might be a start.
                              indonesians buying tickets to a lady gaga concert, lol. so while europe is supposedly becoming muslim, the young of muslim countries are becoming westernised.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by حکیم خان اورګونی View Post
                                I want my own small country to rule, any country. I will make it great.

                                Kingdom of Pactya will be formed by me, with the capital being Khost as it is the only city in Loya Paktia which deserves to be littered.
                                It's because of people like you that Pashtuns have only been united a couple of times in history, i don't see the English complaining why Birmingham isn't the capital, just accept it as it is unless you change the capital for a reason. Istanbul was the capital of Turkey, but they moved it to Ankara because Istanbul was too close to the sea so much more vulnerable.
                                Ghilzai and Durrani is meaningless, you might as well make a separate country for every family.

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