Interesting short documentary about Taliban (1996)

[badmash_khel]

Fundamentalist Islam in Afghanistan 1996 - YouTube

at 7:00 min mark you can see Mullah Omar holding the cloak of the prophet

look at the Talib lala enjoying the naswar at the end

[Afghanistan2010]

Zama Ashna dai raketono sara,
lobe kawi de marguno sara...
pa bamuno pa marmayo de dukhmano sara.
khas ow khas de Allah le para.

[Afghanistan2010]

Further,i think a thieve or robber will prefer,the cutting his hands and legs over being killed as such

Shantel Davis, Unarmed Alleged Car Thief, Shot And Killed By NYPD Cop In Brooklyn (VIDEO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1599678.html

[IamDZJ]

^ says who?? Who chose you to be ther spokesperson??
Thieves in Afghanistan don't steal for the thrill of it. They do it due extreme levels of poverty. Adding to that misery by physically disabling them and limiting their ability to provide for themselves and their families is an inhuman act that only people like you would endorse.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

Wow this is so biased.

[Afghanistan2010]

^ says who?? Who chose you to be ther spokesperson??
Thieves in Afghanistan don't steal for the thrill of it. They do it due extreme levels of poverty. Adding to that misery by physically disabling them and limiting their ability to provide for themselves and their families is an inhuman act that only people like you would endorse.

Ruling on theft



Theft is Haraam (forbidden) according to the Quran, Sunnah [sayings of Prophet Muhammad ] and Ijmaa’ (scholarly consensus). Allaah, the Most Exalted, has condemned this action and decreed an appropriate punishment for it. The Hadd [i.e. the legal punishment prescribed by the Sharee'ah (Islamic law)] for a thief is to cut off the thief's hand. Allaah Almighty Says in the Noble Quran (what means):
“[As for] the thief, the male and the female, amputate their hands in recompense for what they earned [i.e. committed] as a deterrent [punishment] from Allaah. And Allaah is Exalted in Might and Wise.” [Quran 5:38]
The Prophet said:
“The hand (of the thief) should be cut off for (the theft of) a quarter of a Dinar or more.” [Al-Bukhaari]
The Prophet cursed the thief because he is a corrupt element in society, and if he is left unpunished, his corruption will spread and infect the body of the Ummah (Muslim community). He said:
“May Allaah curse the thief who steals an egg and has his hand cut off, or steals a rope and has his hand cut off.” [Al-Bukhaari]
What indicates that this ruling is definitive is the fact that a Makhzoomi noblewoman (from the tribe of Makhzoom) stole at the time of the Prophet and Usaamah Ibn Zayd wanted to intercede for her. The Prophet became angry and said:
“Do you intercede concerning one of the Hadd set by Allaah? Those who came before you were destroyed because if a rich man among them stole, they would let him off, but if a lowly person stole, they would carry out the punishment on him. By Allaah, if Faatimah Bint (daughter of) Muhammad were to steal, I would cut off her hand.” [Al-Bukhaari]
This is the ruling of Allaah concerning theft; that the hand should be cut off from the wrist joint.
Al-Nawawi said in his commentary on Saheeh Muslim (Hadeeth collection): Al-Shaafa'i, Abu Haneefah, Maalik and the majority (of scholars) said: "The hand should be cut off from the wrist, where the hand meets the forearm." Al-Qurtubi said: "All the scholars said: The hand should be cut off from the wrist, not as some of the innovators do when they cut off the fingers and leave the thumb."
Because cutting off the hand is a serious matter, it should not be done for just any case of theft. A combination of conditions must be fulfilled before the hand of a thief is cut off. These conditions are as follows:
1- The thing should have been taken by stealth; if it was not taken by stealth, then the hand should not be cut off, such as when property has been seized by force in front of other people, because in this case the owner of the property could have asked for help to stop the thief.
2- The stolen property should be something of worth, because that which is of no worth has no sanctity, such as musical instruments, wine and pigs.
2- The value of the stolen property should be above a certain limit, which is three Islamic Dirhams or a quarter of an Islamic Dinar, or their equivalent in other currencies.
3- The stolen property should have been taken from a place where it had been put away, i.e., a place where people usually put their property, such as a cupboard, for example.
4- The theft itself has to be proven, either by the testimony of two qualified witnesses or by the confession of the thief twice.
5- The person from whom the property was stolen has to ask for it back; if he does not, then (the thief’s) hand does not have to be cut off.
If these conditions are fulfilled, then the hand must be cut off. If this ruling was applied in the societies which are content with man-made laws and which have cast aside the Sharee’ah of Allaah and replaced it with human laws, this would be the most beneficial treatment for this phenomenon. But the matter is as Allaah Says (what means):
“Then is it the judgement of [the time of] ignorance they desire? But who is better than Allaah in judgement for a people who are certain [in faith].” [Quran 5:50]

[IamDZJ]

Dont waste my time. What does islam say about forcing people to live under circumstances that leaves them with no other choice but to commit a crime?? Where is Islam when people's children are starving or dying of various diseases if not drone attacks for which the Taliban are responsible?? Who will punish them for forcing a system which is only good managing to live up to its promises of killing people and chopping off their hands and feet??
D khudai bandagan dee ka sta d plar?? If someone is of a danger to society, it's your obligation to separate them from others to prevent others from being harmed, not play God. Khartob ta tol tayar nast ye.

[Friend]

Who knows that thief was starving from hunger ? Most of thieves are professional and this has become their habit their business.

[Afghanistan2010]

There is no cutting of hands for such thefts,if they stole out poverty and hunger.

[Afghanistan2010]

Question#:
4553Question Date:
1/1/1995 Topic :
Law to suit self-interest: Question:
There is a Muslim community in my home country where people believe that it is permissible to steal money and property from non-Muslims in order to distribute it among poor Muslims. Members of that community may rob a bank and claim that they are working for Islam. To my thinking, if stealing is a sin, it remains so when the stolen property belongs to a non-Muslim. Please comment. Answer:
This sort of thinking may sound plausible among a minority community, particularly if it is at the receiving end of unjust practices, and laws, as it is the case in your home country. It is the mixture of ignorance and a keen sense of persecution that gives such reason acceptance among those Muslims. To say this is not to justify their action, because it remains unjustifiable. I am only trying to point out the sort of conditions which may give rise to it. All societies and communities in all ages agree that stealing is an evil practice. Some of them enforced very stiff punishments for theft. It was not a long time ago when the English law made theft punishable by death or deportation to the colonies. Hence, no one can argue that stealing could be permissible under any circumstances, except when a person is about to die of hunger and no one is willing to give him food. In such a situation, he is allowed to take whatever food he can to keep himself alive. Since respecting other people's rights and keeping their properties safe is good, then it is the attitude Islam requires of all its followers in all situations. This is due to the fact that Islam orders its followers to do good to all its people, maintaining the standards of goodness which Islam requires. It is not permissible, in Islam to divide people into two groups, extending good treatment to one and dealing badly with the other. Islam promotes what is good because it is good, Islam is the religion of goodness and goodness must be universal. What is evil cannot be considered good in certain situations; nor can evil be considered permissible at any time. Since the Prophet provides the proper example for all Muslims to follow, we should always look to him for guidance. After preaching his message in Makkah for 13 years, the Prophet emigrated to Madinah. Throughout those 13 years, the Muslims suffered a great deal of persecution at the hands of non-believers who wielded power in Makkah. On the night the Prophet left, those unbelievers were determined to kill him. They sent a group of young men representing all clans of Quraish to murder him. In spite of that, people of Makkah always gave him their valuables for safekeeping. Before his departure, the Prophet asked his cousin, Ali, to stay behind and to give every article in his house to its rightful owner. If taking away other people's property could be allowed in any situation, then the Prophet would have been allowed to leave with those valuables. He was leaving behind his house and furniture. Moreover, he was leaving because those very people were plotting to kill him. To take their property would have been the smallest of compensations. Yet the Prophet would not for a moment think of doing that, because betraying a trust and taking other peoples' property is evil. The Prophet has taught us what is good because doing good is beneficial to the doer, the recipient and the community. From another point of view, when a Muslim implements the teachings of Islam, and works hard to make his actions a reflection of what Islamic life is like, he actually calls on people to accept Islam. When they realize that the goodness in him is brought about by his faith, they would like to learn more about Islam. The more they learn, the greater are the chances of their acceptance of this blessed faith. On the other hand, if a person speaks all the time about the benefits of Islamic life to mankind, yet at the same time allows his actions to give a bad image of Islam and Muslims, his words will only fall on deaf ears. How can people believe him when his actions give the lie to his word? He simply cannot say to people: "Come to Islam because it is good and yet he does away with the other people's property." A Muslim is always a teacher of what is good. To justify stealing when taking away the property of a non-believer, is to teach something bad to others. I cannot emphasize too strongly the fact that Islam does not admit one action and its opposite at the same time. How can it be? If something is good then its opposite is bad and, as such, unacceptable. Another important point is that when people justify stealing for themselves in this way, they become hardened thieves. They may start by stealing from non-Muslims, but they would later find it easy to steal from Muslims as well. They simply become accustomed to taking other people's property since they feel they can take it away with impunity. Moreover, someone may start by stealing in order to give the stolen property to poor Muslims. When he finds out that he could get away with this sort of action, it will be easy to justify by taking away the stolen property for himself. Besides, Islam does not require anyone to steal in order to help a poor person, if they truly care about poor Muslims, then they should do something positive and good to help them. They either donate some of their own money in order to help the poor or they should start some sort of project which benefits the Muslim community. If they do that, then they show that they truly care about the poor Muslims. The idea of robbing others in order to help our own poor people is totally unacceptable from the Islamic point of view. [There is no concept of Robin Hoods in Islam.] This action is undoubtedly forbidden.

http://www.islamicity.com/qa/action.lasso.asp?-db=services&-lay=Ask&-op=eq&number=4553&-format=detailpop.shtml&-find

[IamDZJ]

^ I am not reading all that. If common sense doesn't agree with it, I don't care which book it's coming from.
As for this

The punishment of cutting their hand off.This is only given in the most severe theft cases and/or items above a certain value. Even then, the first thing the judge will ask the defendant is to give the item back. If this is not possible, they will be asked to reimburse the victim for their loss. If not, the judge will decide on a punishment best suited to fit the circumstance.

What earthily possession could value more to a human being than a body part?? Do you think a person who has a choice to choose between returning whatever they stole and their arm, they would choose to keep what they stole??
And seriously, what could someone steal from anyone with would justify for them being okay with having that person's hands chopped??
I thought we were not supposed to value earthly possessions that dearly. Whatever, you people want to live like uncivilized animals, good for you. Spare those of us who don't want to have anything to do with your type.

To hell with you all. I am done with this thread.

[Manzareh]

is your dad not back yet? when are you going back to Afghanistan? or was that just another one of your bullsh*ts like your Caucasian husband story?

[IamDZJ]

Why do you obsess over such personal details of my life and that too, to that extent??

[Manzareh]

cuz i like bullying you

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Further,i think a thieve or robber will prefer,the cutting his hands and legs over being killed as such


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1599678.html

he was killed while doing the crime; not AFTER. The same would happen under the Taliban, in fact.

http://bokhdinews.af/english/internal/7162-Local-Taliban-shot-death-two-armed-thieves-in-Nemruz-province

Haji Mohammad Hashim Noorzaie Khashrod district chief told Bokhdi News Agency (BNA) the attackers or perpetrators of this murdering were arrested by local residents.
Noorzaie said the arrestees then were handed over to the local Talibans and then they were shot death today (Saturday) morning by them in Khazaie village, Khashrod district, Nemruz province.
Khashrod district chief said, two men and two women were board in two separate motorcycles and were ridden to the center of this district, and on the way they came under the attack of robbers and were killed, the real behind brutal action is not clear yet.

All you ever do is make excuses for oppression done by Taliban.