Sangar want to know the truth about me and the FBI? (extreme sarcasm warning)

[MostafaM]

You're not a bad guy but one thing annoying about you is your attempt to play hero is disingenuous, more annoying is your paradoxical claim of real Pashtuns.


how many "real deal" Pashtuns would no kick the crap out of you if you told them you're an apostate (I know you're going to say you were never a Muslim, but with a name like Mostafa, they'd say you're an apostate)?

It is you who do not know REAL DEAL PAshtuns; the real Deal Pashtuns I the ones who act like REAL PEOPLE; not mythologiszed Pashtunwaiists.


Look at how many classes of people would not fit your definition of Real Deal Pashtun?Najibullah/Khalq, that's a few hundred thousand including supporters; was known for raping and torturing women, cutting off breasts. Taliban, raped Hazara women, human sex trade went on in Afghanistan under their rule, very rampantly. Hekmatyar threw acid on women Peshawar : "Pollywood" , enough said I could go on, but this stuff is endemic in our people. so as much of a nice guy you are, please save the "real Deal Pashtun" bull crap; it doesn't exist, and you are certainly not an expert on it even if it did.

1. You can accept Islam at a certain age. It´s a religion of choice, not a religion that you aquire with birth. Apostasy is a matter of accepting and then leaving. That´s not the case with me.

2. The PDPA had 35.000 memberas at it´s peak. Split that in two factions (majority Khalq, minority Parcham...ratio of 65 to 35%; split the Parcham faction into the major blocks of Karmal and Najib supporters, then you get a number of around 6210 followers.
(Source: Afghanistan´s Two Party Communism, by Anthony Arnold)

3. I am an expert in it because I haven´t encountered a Pashtun who wouldn´t knock you down if you talked about their families or loved ones they way you do when you try to "win discussions".

4. I am definitly not a nice guy. I am just concerned with Pashtun matters, not with my ego or portraying myself with certain ideals and projections. Human beings do that in real life when they encounter real people who have effects on their real lifes.
Online you can only exchange views, ideas and conceptions.

No one really cares what you think about Sangar and what his sexual affiliation is. And nobody cares about your personality, your achievements or what you are up to and how nicely you can attack and subdue people in debates.

Your rhetorical approach in debates is not what a cultural and political forum was created for. A dialectical approach is definitly what was the aim here.

I am pretty sure you understand my words.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Wer nicht hort muss spuren or how is that in german.
The one who does not listen must feel.

He is lucky enough not have been in pashtun gatherings,especially not with us paktyawals,we hit people without giving the red light,the red light is that which is coming out of his nose.

Paktyawals would hang you for your pro Pakistani agenda

[RevolutionThroughReason]

you are right. You could never beat me in that department. Could you kindly give up trying?? Please??

I never even tried that's all imagined in your hallucinations

[Afghanistan2010]

I leave it for the sake of Allah.
May Allah guide you on the straight path.

[khushal]

The only logical reason you believe that is because you yourself are a registered sex offeneder so in your own sexual dysfunctionality as a copin mechanism you transfer yourself on others. You've peresistently been asked to prove your case and you haven't which means the only logical conclusion is that you're revealing your own inadequacies.

It's you who initiates insults your arguments carry generic logical fallacies and then when they're debunked

This response only demonstrates your mental deficiency and incapability of having intellectual interaction. I never said Sangar specifically, I said PEOPLE LIKE SANGAR, not Sangar himself, back in that day, Sangar was a cocaine using, alcohol drinking, prostitute visiting Rapper. Your erroneous conclusion is what confrms incompetence. Maybe read BEFORE YOU RESPOND next time uneducated nitwit.

no that's you, I just retaliate and put you in your high school drop out place when you want to take it to that level. I always give a sound intellectual response and when you can't handle it you start attacking and accusing others of things. You're projecting yourself here.

FAYE is a witness to all of this too; You do it to her too, and several other members.

Everyone knows my capabilities of intellectual debate; your problem is that you don't have an intellect capable of handling it. Everyone who has a college education can affirm my debate skills.

The classic "I know you are but what am I" does not work here. You have a sick twisted sexual deviant mind which is evident by your posts. Get therepy man.

I defeated you in every debate we had. Even Barackzai would come in and post that you were wrong. I had you sweating in every debate. You were even forced to back track your own statements in posts. No matter how smart you think you are, which is nothing but arrogance, you are easy to defeat. Its not that hard.

It does not matter if Sangar himself tricked you or people like him tricked you. My stetement still stands. It basically means your incompetent and cant think for yourself. You just beleive random alcoholics(your claim) and random sexual deviants(your claim) and just take their word for it. This basically confirms what I have been saying all along, that your an idiot. An idiot that wanted to burn the Quran to make some idiotic point without the consideration for other peoples feelings.

As far as Faye is concerned, she can dish out her jokes and sarcasm but she cant take it herself. Notice how she compared a christian woman to Afgahnistan2010 and then when I compared her to an alcoholic, she loses it into some blabbering nonsense. She accuses Hitler of doing drugs by trying to tarnish him but she admits to being a drug user herself. What is she doing comparing herself to Hitler. She is as incompetent as you.

[Afghanistan2010]

Guys i have a nice picture to share,because we are looking forward to ending this thread let me share it here.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

1. You can accept Islam at a certain age. It´s a religion of choice, not a religion that you aquire with birth. Apostasy is a matter of accepting and then leaving. That´s not the case with me.

2. The PDPA had 35.000 memberas at it´s peak. Split that in two factions (majority Khalq, minority Parcham...ratio of 65 to 35%; split the Parcham faction into the major blocks of Karmal and Najib supporters, then you get a number of around 6210 followers.
(Source: Afghanistan´s Two Party Communism, by Anthony Arnold)

3. I am an expert in it because I haven´t encountered a Pashtun who wouldn´t knock you down if you talked about their families or loved ones they way you do when you try to "win discussions".

4. I am definitly not a nice guy. I am just concerned with Pashtun matters, not with my ego or portraying myself with certain ideals and projections. Human beings do that in real life when they encounter real people who have effects on their real lifes.
Online you can only exchange views, ideas and conceptions.

No one really cares what you think about Sangar and what his sexual affiliation is. And nobody cares about your personality, your achievements or what you are up to and how nicely you can attack and subdue people in debates.

Your rhetorical approach in debates is not what a cultural and political forum was created for. A dialectical approach is definitly what was the aim here.

I am pretty sure you understand my words.

I have never used someone's family to win debates; I insult people AFTER i finish the debate, NEVER during. my insults are never apart of the main body of my arguments. I rebuttal, then insult. The insult is a psychological trigger meant to induce cognitive dissonance. It's a Psy-Ops. It has nothing to do with my tactics. I don't insult peoples family, I primarily target the individuals credibility, not as a debate but to demonstrate that their attempts at Character assasination backfire because I have more dirt on them, real dirt.the only thing people have is adding 5-10 years to my actual age. And saying I once favored some of the ideas they currently favor years ago, and attept at psychobabble which I never take seriously because none of their arguments meet diagnostic criteria as for your facts; You maybe right as far as numbers go, but that the 'real deal" Pashtun is just a No True Scotsman argument. Pashtuns are as diverse as varieties of birds.

stop and take a look at my debates; the actual debates themselves are always cogent....just because I add a "sucker" punch at the end detracts not from the truth value of my arguments

[tor_khan]

There comes a point when the embarrassment is too much to bear. You guys have a duty to NOT delve into each other's pasts and to roll around in it. Accept that we are all on a learning curve and that our views change.

Does it ever occur to you that one of the reasons that we lack the competitive edge over our neighbours, be they Iranian, Panjabi, Hindu etc. is because we are ready to shoot our own brothers and sisters in the face, seemingly without regret or remorse? At which point do we (presumably educated and with a 'balanced' world view) get over this to draw on what we have in common - firstly as a community, and then as people in general?

I cringe at the crassness that is brought here and passed off as credible behaviour/opinion in the name of being Pashtun/Muslim.

Narrated Ibn ‘Umar : Allah’s Messenger said, “ A Muslim is a brother of another Muslim. So he should not oppress him nor should he hand him over to (his satan or to his self which is inclined to evil). Whoever fulfils the needs of his brother, Allah will fulfil his needs; whoever removes the troubles of his brother, Allah will remove one of his troubles on the Day of Resurrection; and whoever covers up the fault of a Muslim, Allah will cover up his fault on the Day of Resurrection.” (Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

[RevolutionThroughReason]

The classic "I know you are but what am I" does not work here. You have a sick twisted sexual deviant mind which is evident by your posts. Get therepy man.

I defeated you in every debate we had. Even Barackzai would come in and post that you were wrong. I had you sweating in every debate. You were even forced to back track your own statements in posts. No matter how smart you think you are, which is nothing but arrogance, you are easy to defeat. Its not that hard.

It does not matter if Sangar himself tricked you or people like him tricked you. My stetement still stands. It basically means your incompetent and cant think for yourself. You just beleive random alcoholics(your claim) and random sexual deviants(your claim) and just take their word for it. This basically confirms what I have been saying all along, that your an idiot. An idiot that wanted to burn the Quran to make some idiotic point without the consideration for other peoples feelings.

As far as Faye is concerned, she can dish out her jokes and sarcasm but she cant take it herself. Notice how she compared a christian woman to Afgahnistan2010 and then when I compared her to an alcoholic, she loses it into some blabbering nonsense. She accuses Hitler of doing drugs by trying to tarnish him but she admits to being a drug user herself. What is she doing comparing herself to Hitler. She is as incompetent as you.

You've never won a single debate even against Faye, which is sad. You've always lost every debate to me; All your arguments are ad-hominems and aimed at shunning the source of evidence rather than confronting an evidence; by that alone your debates lose merit as these are logical fallacies. It's only as a coping mechanism pretend you won.

There is no "I know you are so what am I"...it's That's your short comings, which you reveal about yourself. Much differentYou have a hard time reading context too; when I said "people like him" I'm talking about supporters of radical extremists like Taliban, not "like him" in reference to his personal habits.You really are an idiot ....now Mostafa is going to jump in on me calling you stupid, despite the fact you keep making the same error over and over again

go back to the 3rd grade, learn to read...When someone says "people like you" they don't mean Pakistani Nationals necessarily

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I leave it for the sake of Allah.
May Allah guide you on the straight path.

you said that 8 hours ago; you keep saying it was your last reply; the reason you reply bck is because inside you , you know what I am saying is correct and it eats at your conscience.

[khushal]

You've never won a single debate even against Faye, which is sad. You've always lost every debate to me; All your arguments are ad-hominems and aimed at shunning the source of evidence rather than confronting an evidence; by that alone your debates lose merit as these are logical fallacies. It's only as a coping mechanism pretend you won.

There is no "I know you are so what am I"...it's That's your short comings, which you reveal about yourself. Much differentYou have a hard time reading context too; when I said "people like him" I'm talking about supporters of radical extremists like Taliban, not "like him" in reference to his personal habits.You really are an idiot ....now Mostafa is going to jump in on me calling you stupid, despite the fact you keep making the same error over and over again

go back to the 3rd grade, learn to read...When someone says "people like you" they don't mean Pakistani Nationals necessarily

I have already defeated you in this debate as well.
This is what you said:

. I never said Sangar specifically, I said PEOPLE LIKE SANGAR, not Sangar himself, .

you are now backtracking and are a hypocrit. You do this all the time.

I am now going to take Masher Tor Khans advice and leave it with:

May Allah guide you and all of us on the straight path.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I have already defeated you in this debate as well.
This is what you said:


you are now backtracking and are a hypocrit. You do this all the time.

I am now going to take Masher Tor Khans advice and leave it with:

May Allah guide you and all of us on the straight path.

Not at all I said specifically people LIKE Sangar, not "Sangar" himself, this doesn't necessarily refer to his alcohol and drinking habits, go back and read the post itself and which context it is speaking in . You need to learn context . and how to read.

Your inability to understand context is your loss in debate not mine


I'm sure that I'm on a mmuch straighter path than you, you support terrorists; I don't

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I'm so glad Randolph85 is a mod that undoes some of the poor modding Mostafa does.

[IamDZJ]

alright, every one get out. Get out, get out, get out.

[KhyberKhan]

Someone delete this trainwreck of a thread.

Polite note to Admin & Co: Not that it hasn't crossed your minds already, but don't you think it's time to give our resident neurotic Yemeni a protracted holiday from the site as it's quite clear he needs to let off steam and your website seems to be his only interaction with the world right now. I know you like to give everyone more than just a chance, but someone so unstable can go off the rails as evidenced by your once esteemed member, and now clinically deranged Soldat.

Not that im on here much anyway, but the last thing i want to read about is sexual gossip/insults that are solely used to win a so-called intellectual debate in a politics forum. Otherwise can you guys rename it the teens forum? So that I can steer clear.

Just my tuppence worth.

P.s wise words for Tor-K, as ever. One of the safest pair of hands here.