What do Pakistani Pashtuns mean when they say Lar aw bar yaw Pakhtun

[haviZsultan]

We have many arguments that put your Pashtun-ness in doubt.

Since you claim your Pashto is weak and do not say where exactly you are from or which tribe you belong to, we have no proof of the fact that you are a Pashtun.

Also, I read somehwere you can't read Urdu. I don't even think you are from Pakistan.

Lets say my Pashtunness is in doubt- for an Afghan mind. Perhaps my link to Pashtuns is very weak or none at all- one based on rumors of family links to Afghanistan years ago.

That still doesn't change the fact that I have adopted Pashtun culture, studied it, love Pashtuns and am dedicated to them enough to write a book on them. I have also made efforts to learn the Pashto language which I am still undergoing.

Of course for the Afghans to accept I am a Pashtun it would be hard because our views totally differ. Instead others have welcomed me (those from Pakhtunkhwa) where Afghans have failed and agree with my statement that you are what you choose to be. I choose to be Pakhtun.

The reason I DON'T speak about my past is exactly because of this. Because it will obviously be used to label me non-pashtun just as the lar Pashtuns have always been labelled Punjabi slaves by you. When my book is out I will reveal by background and what attracted me to believe in myself as a Pashtun and how you Afghans have let me down.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

but Islam is not inter twined with prostitution drug addicts, terrorism, the Heera Mundi, Mujra dancers

all the things which are central to Pakistani society.

The Mahdi's army ahadith was referring to Abu Muslim Khurasani and fighting the Ummayads. Al Mahdi was the Mahdi of the Abbassiyah Khilafah.

The hadith already came true 100's of years ago. There is no Mahdi's army from Pashtuns. The hadith already happened.

[haviZsultan]

That's the thing, you don't stand for Islam; Pakistan and Islam are two different things. Secularism and Islam are two different things.

For you to claim that you're for Pakistan, Pakistan because you're for Muslims is intellectually dishonest since Pakistan is a secular country.

If you want to be Pakistani by all means be one; but don't expect others to accept failure. Other people care for their future. you clearly don't

Its the mullahs who have told us Islam and secularism are seperate... when they are one. The point i state in my articles is that if we follow true Islam-not wahabism we will be able to create a society that is highly tolerant. A fundamental flaw in the people I argue with is that they believe secularism is a concept that has no relation with Islam.

[haviZsultan]

Afghanis were very cruel at times of division of durand line....my grand parents has told all the stories...the way they had thrown us ....i wish i could hate afghanis.But i still love them...as they are pashtuns.Even afghanis who come to pak and settle here...try their best to get paki identity...now why are people becoming racist....if we are here to support afghanis.But i dont support those afghanis who stand against pakis (exclude govt n amry) for indians as a frontline.Remember O afghans! if you ll try to go against paki pashtuns and afghanis...your hands will only be painted with our blood...the pashtun blood.Coz we pashtuns are major ethnic group in pak....in KPK,FATA,PATA,balohistan,FANA....

I agree. A huge number of Pashtuns have stories that they went to Afghanistan for help against the British and got nothing at all. They betrayed us and now that its in their interests they are crying lar aw bar yaw Pashtun. I wouldn't even mind it. We have culture and history together but for them its all about grabbing our land.

[pashtun_rise]

No one is selling any land to anybody; We' just want India's help in making us a better country

Better to seek India than Pakistan

of course you'd rather have the *****s prostitutes and Mujra Dancers of Pakistan

you already sold Pashtun land to Indians, Pakistan is derived from India; so why are you whining?

I am Pashtun from one of the most important Pashtun tribes of Afghanistan.,

Are you sure you're Pashtun ...since you want to destroy pashtuns and watch them die in the stone age?

Well now you yourself are contradicting your self_proclaimed theories.On one hand you say paki is an indian land and we sold pashtun land to them...on the other hand you are taking side of indians? Dual personality uhh?


I am pashtun...and i know my tribe,subtribe,subgrp places,the flag we carry since centuries (white flag with a green star...a sign of our freedom till we die),and my customs etc.You tell me what is your tribe? Whats your identity? Or is it sold to indians?

I am a pashtun from stone age...but well versed with whom to trust whom to not.I trust Allah only...but love humans in general.Not racist.Not a fair weather friend.What qualities u have? U poke noses quite alot in personal beliefs...

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Its the mullahs who have told us Islam and secularism are seperate... when they are one. The point i state in my articles is that if we follow true Islam-not wahabism we will be able to create a society that is highly tolerant. A fundamental flaw in the people I argue with is that they believe secularism is a concept that has no relation with Islam.

I already explained why Islam and Secularism are separate; this isn't a Mullah argument this is simple logic

Islam has an entire legislative body, a system of legal jurisprudence, a system of penalty, of state operations; all based on theological doctrines.

How will something like whipping people for consumption of Alcohol which is an Islamic legal penal code , work with a Secular country which separates Legislation from religion?

Your arguments and "articles" are simply flowery rhetoric; they fail to address the most fundamental issues; the Definition of Secularism and the actual Defacto Structure of Islamic Legal System.

[pashtun_rise]

but Islam is not inter twined with prostitution drug addicts, terrorism, the Heera Mundi, Mujra dancers

all the things which are central to Pakistani society.

The Mahdi's army ahadith was referring to Abu Muslim Khurasani and fighting the Ummayads. Al Mahdi was the Mahdi of the Abbassiyah Khilafah.

The hadith already came true 100's of years ago. There is no Mahdi's army from Pashtuns. The hadith already happened.

Here take a look at this...do u deny those ahadeeths and quran verse?

https://sites.google.com/site/armyofmahdi/

https://sites.google.com/site/armyofmahdi/israelis

https://sites.google.com/site/jonelya/traitors

https://sites.google.com/site/armyofmahdi/armyofdajjal

You are making me think of wahhabis to deny the rights of pashtuns bani israel? N that they ll conquer makkah....mehdi 's army ll not be some arab traitors (najdis).

[pashtun_rise]

I already explained why Islam and Secularism are separate; this isn't a Mullah argument this is simple logic

Islam has an entire legislative body, a system of legal jurisprudence, a system of penalty, of state operations; all based on theological doctrines.

How will something like whipping people for consumption of Alcohol which is an Islamic legal penal code , work with a Secular country which separates Legislation from religion?

Your arguments and "articles" are simply flowery rhetoric; they fail to address the most fundamental issues; the Definition of Secularism and the actual Defacto Structure of Islamic Legal System.

Give me proof man if i am wrong!! come on i am waiting!!!!

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Well now you yourself are contradicting your self_proclaimed theories.On one hand you say paki is an indian land and we sold pashtun land to them...on the other hand you are taking side of indians? Dual personality uhh?


I am pashtun...and i know my tribe,subtribe,subgrp places,the flag we carry since centuries (white flag with a green star...a sign of our freedom till we die),and my customs etc.You tell me what is your tribe? Whats your identity? Or is it sold to indians?

I am a pashtun from stone age...but well versed with whom to trust whom to not.I trust Allah only...but love humans in general.Not racist.Not a fair weather friend.What qualities u have? U poke noses quite alot in personal beliefs...

There's no dual personality; this is simply me showing your logic is faulty. Pakistan is derived from India; so why is it ok that you're in Pakistan? Your concern isn't selling land to india, but rather bigotry.

Green Flag with Star is not even an Islamic Flag, there is nothing in Islam which advocates such a flag.

You don't have freedom you're being slaughtered by the Green Flag and Star. This is what the Green Flag and Star does to you.

Pashtun Speaks of the way Pakistan army treats Pashtuns in Waziristan - YouTube


Now I don't care if you're Pakistani; but you are certainly no Pashtun.


as for my tribe, it is Hotak, my sub clan is Sakzai and I'm from Ghazni province.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Here take a look at this...do u deny those ahadeeths and quran verse? l]


You are making me think of wahhabis to deny the rights of pashtuns bani israel? N that they ll conquer makkah....mehdi 's army ll not be some arab traitors (najdis).

Bani Israel theory has been disproven by Science and Genetics; we have no genetic Link to Israel


Wahhabis believe in Mahdi is coming,

No one denies those verses of ahadith; but those ahadith already came true 100's of years ago during time of Khilafah Abbasiyah

the proof is easy; The Hadith refers to Khurasan right? Khurasan is Eastern part of Persian areas, the Abbasi Khalifa's name was Al-Mahdi , and his army was lead by Abu Muslim Khurasani, they had Black Flags

they uprooted the Ummayads.

the prophecy already happened, it has nothing to do with Pashtuns; this is just logic.

[pashtun_rise]

There's no dual personality; this is simply me showing your logic is faulty. Pakistan is derived from India; so why is it ok that you're in Pakistan? Your concern isn't selling land to india, but rather bigotry.

Green Flag with Star is not even an Islamic Flag, there is nothing in Islam which advocates such a flag.

You don't have freedom you're being slaughtered by the Green Flag and Star. This is what the Green Flag and Star does to you.

Pashtun Speaks of the way Pakistan army treats Pashtuns in Waziristan - YouTube


Now I don't care if you're Pakistani; but you are certainly no Pashtun.


as for my tribe, it is Hotak, my sub clan is Sakzai and I'm from Ghazni province.

This green star flag is with our tribe for centuries...go to FATA and ask about togh! Ofcourse its neither islamic nor unislamic...but carries our identity as a pashtun.What makes it unislamic? Have u done your PHD on flags?


I am certainly a pashtun...and has a foot on my land...u better watch land beneath yours feet...who knows indians may claim it a govt property with your name_tag only...afterall its you who like to be with them than with pashtuns of pak.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I agree. A huge number of Pashtuns have stories that they went to Afghanistan for help against the British and got nothing at all. They betrayed us and now that its in their interests they are crying lar aw bar yaw Pashtun. I wouldn't even mind it. We have culture and history together but for them its all about grabbing our land.

well now you're clearly lying.

The conflict began on 3 May 1919 when Afghan troops crossed the frontier at the western end of the Khyber Pass and captured the town of Bagh.[18] Bagh was strategically important to the British and Indians as it provided water to Landi Kotal, which was at the time garrisoned by just two companies of troops from the Indian Army.[18] Although initially considered a minor border infraction, this attack was actually part of the wider invasion plan. For whatever reason the attack had been launched ahead of schedule, however, for Amanullah had intended initially to time it to coincide with an uprising that was being planned in Peshawar for 8 May. This served to alert the British Chief Commissioner of the North West Frontier, Sir George Roos-Keppel, who had become aware of the plan[18] and as a result he was able to successfully convince the Viceroy, Lord Chelmsford, of the need to respond to the occupation of Bagh before it led to further unrest in Peshawar.[22]

You are a lying sack of donkey dung; your intellectual dshonesty is more than apparent now.

[pashtun_rise]

Bani Israel theory has been disproven by Science and Genetics; we have no genetic Link to Israel


Wahhabis believe in Mahdi is coming,

No one denies those verses of ahadith; but those ahadith already came true 100's of years ago during time of Khilafah Abbasiyah

the proof is easy; The Hadith refers to Khurasan right? Khurasan is Eastern part of Persian areas, the Abbasi Khalifa's name was Al-Mahdi , and his army was lead by Abu Muslim Khurasani, they had Black Flags

they uprooted the Ummayads.

the prophecy already happened, it has nothing to do with Pashtuns; this is just logic.

No ancient khurasan stands for part of iran,KPK,afghanistan and some part of russian occupied states of that time..now tajikistan's small part.Correct your geography knowledge.

Even if pashtuns are not bani israel ...and mehdi had been arrived...where is the khasaf (landslides) at east,west and in arabia? Where was the conquer of makkah and ethiopians taking out gold etc? where are the major signs associated with mehdi like jesus pbuh coming in damascus? U r a lier who believes in either wahhabism trying to forge the truth or belong to al_ahmadya sect....

[RevolutionThroughReason]

No ancient khurasan stands for part of iran,KPK,afghanistan and some part of russian occupied states of that time..now tajikistan's small part.Correct your geography knowledge.

Even if pashtuns are not bani israel ...and mehdi had been arrived...where is the khasaf (landslides) at east,west and in arabia? Where was the conquer of makkah and ethiopians taking out gold etc? where are the major signs associated with mehdi like jesus pbuh coming in damascus? U r a lier who believes in either wahhabism trying to forge the truth or belong to al_ahmadya sect....

correct my Geography eh?



Sure looks like all the places you mentioned .....NOT.


The Things you're talking about land slides etc etc. Are not about Mahdi they're ahadith about events LONG AFTER Mahdi

You're getting confused because the websites are commentaries which attempt to interpret those ahadith to give a certain meaning; They actually don't have anything to do with each other.

[pashtun_rise]

correct my Geography eh?



Sure looks like all the places you mentioned .....NOT.


The Things you're talking about land slides etc etc. Are not about Mahdi they're ahadith about events LONG AFTER Mahdi

You're getting confused because the websites are commentaries which attempt to interpret those ahadith to give a certain meaning; They actually don't have anything to do with each other.

The map you have given is not of ancient times...The whole world scholars are mentioning mehdi's associated signs and here you are denying this fact? Ok tell me where is jesus pbuh revealed when he ll lead prayers of imam mehdi's army? Now dont claim as ahmadiya sect that jesus pbuh was mirza ghulam...