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  • #16
    "Pashto singer Musharraf Bangash who was abducted a week ago had been recovered from North Waziristan, reported BBC on Sunday.
    He has reached his friend Masum Harmzs home in Mir Ali. He was kidnapped on November 26 by unknown armed men while he was on his way to Bannu from Mir Ali. He said he was safe and unharmed. It has not been ascertained yet who had kidnapped Bangash and authorities are investigating the incident.
    Masum Harmz said that Taliban had not kidnapped Bangash rather a local group of dacoits had abducted him.
    A govt official told BBC that a national jirga secured release of Bangash."

    Let's playing a guessing game to find out who that group was?

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    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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    • #17
      Well...we are not denying the atrocities of every invader...including pak army n ISI...but its in a true pashtun blood to thank the ones who gave freedom of islam and education etc i.e good paki people.I damn care about govt...but i do care about my brothers and sisters who share the same pain in crisis these days...ofcourse top of all pashtuns but also other ethnics.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by pashtun_rise View Post
        U seem to be pro indian...if i am pro pakistani...i ve a reason....m given opportunities in pak regarding practicing free islam,education,freedom etc.Why are u pro indian?
        These Afghans will never accept you.

        We are **** for them... southern **** who they consider dal-khors, sons of the british, defenders of Punjab or Pangchuks (whatever that is). I have been hearing these comments non-stop from these people.

        Anyone who reads history can know how unfair it is for Afghans to come back after under Abdur Rehman Khan they sold the lar Pashtuns to the British. And why did they do it... only to save themselves from being conquered by the British. Ask them how they got Kandahar back? The British handed it over to them for selling lar Pashtuns to the British. They divided Pashtuns not us.

        Lar Pashtuns struggled like dogs against the British. Karlanri federation and the operations against Tribal areas especially Wazirs and Mahsuds were proof of how hard we fought to get rid of the yoke of British rule.

        They are real slaves of the British then call us the same just because they betrayed us to the British. Now after we got freedom only because of Jinnah and chose to join Pakistan because they betrayed us they are saying lar aw bar yaw Afghan and trying to blackmail us due to our cultural and historical ties into a foolish union with 900 gdp per capita (PPP) Afghanistan and go into the stone age.

        Pashtun_rise you are a very good person and these people are total racists. You should help me and Arooj in explaining to these over-proud, racists who they actually are. Why can't we be Pakistanis. lol. In 60 years people live and die. Enough time for loyalty to develop for your land and people.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by haviZsultan View Post



          If you watch the video at that point you will see Lashkaris. Why show lashkaris. Why not show Afghan army for that matter? You can also not reply about the Pakistani flag. Why is the pointless Pakistani flag around in a song about Pashtuns?


          Maybe Adam's statement that this same singer was kidnapped when he wrote a Pro-Afghanistan song has something to do with that? He's scared of what the Pakistani authorities may do.


          the belief that secularism and Islam are two differing concepts, something promoted by people like Zia Ul Haq. To understand my ideas you have to believe that Islam and secularism are not incompatible, something which people in our region have been taught.
          Well this only reinforces my ascertaining that you are intellectually dishonest; How will the Penal and Legislative system of Islam which is derived from Theological Doctrine be compatible with Secularism which by definition is separation of Religion and State, and none of its legislative or penal system is based on religious doctrine .....That sort of incompatibility is so glaringly obvious that only a person who's using religion as an agenda strategy could say otherwise
          [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

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          • #20
            Originally posted by pashtun_rise View Post
            Well...we are not denying the atrocities of every invader...including pak army n ISI...but its in a true pashtun blood to thank the ones who gave freedom of islam and education etc i.e good paki people.I damn care about govt...but i do care about my brothers and sisters who share the same pain in crisis these days...ofcourse top of all pashtuns but also other ethnics.

            Muslims are more free in India than they are in Pakistan, heck even Deoband Dar Ul Uloom, which produces one of the most idiotic and fanatical forms of Islam, is BASED in India.

            The difference is ....in India they're developing and advancing, where as in Pakistan, Pashtuns are slaughetred in mass.

            I think it's apparent which is better. If you want to be Pakistani, I don't care

            HaviSultan is right, we won't accept you, you have lost any claim or connection to Afghanistan.
            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by haviZsultan View Post
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              They are real slaves of the British then call us the same just because they betrayed us to the British. Now after we got freedom only because of Jinnah and chose to join Pakistan because they betrayed us they are saying lar aw bar yaw Afghan and trying to blackmail us due to our cultural and historical ties into a foolish union with 900 gdp per capita (PPP) Afghanistan and go into the stone age.

              Pakistan was created BY the British; Jinnah was only te Localized "Puppet" Servant face of it. That's why Pakistan operates on English Common Law and parlimentary system.


              Pashtun_rise you are a very good person and these people are total racists. You should help me and Arooj in explaining to these over-proud, racists who they actually are. Why can't we be Pakistanis. lol. In 60 years people live and die. Enough time for loyalty to develop for your land and people.
              Go ahead be Pakistanis; just don't claim you're Pashtuns, you're not apart of us and you won't be.
              [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

              2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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              • #22
                Well this only reinforces my ascertaining that you are intellectually dishonest; How will the Penal and Legislative system of Islam which is derived from Theological Doctrine be compatible with Secularism which by definition is separation of Religion and State, and none of its legislative or penal system is based on religious doctrine .....That sort of incompatibility is so glaringly obvious that only a person who's using religion as an agenda strategy could say otherwise[/QUOTE]


                So now you are saying that we should not stand for islam ? N go for ethnicity? The crisis today we are facing is by pakis as a whole...I am a loyal pashtun to pay for what goods they have provided us.Afghans refugees were served and are still on serve.I was not coming to the point when my grang parents were returned by force fro afghanis during durand line division.But leme tell you....they (afghanis) told my grand parents....stay there and fight...this is our land...they were not given food even let alone help as a man power.WE HOWEVER..DID SERVED AFGHANIS...AND STILL SERVING.TRIBALS AREAS HAD MANY CAMPS TILL INVASION STRIKED.

                Even if pak is collapsing...a failed state...i would like to be in here....i m not ahsan_faramosh.Get it in your mind.N yeah...i still dream of loy pashtunistan...pashtuns leading the mehdi army.....m waiting.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by haviZsultan View Post
                  I mistook the comment to mean their turbans are high or proudly resting on their heads which would translate into they have honor...

                  Pakistani Pashtuns wear those turbans.

                  My Pashto is weak. I have said this before. I also said I may be from a weak Pashtun background or may have become attracted to Pashtun culture and adopted it as my own. I will tell all when my book is out...

                  If you watch the video at that point you will see Lashkaris. Why show lashkaris. Why not show Afghan army for that matter? You can also not reply about the Pakistani flag. Why is the pointless Pakistani flag around in a song about Pashtuns?

                  And again Islam and secularism are a totally different topic. I believe the two are inter-related and seek to disprove the belief that secularism and Islam are two differing concepts, something promoted by people like Zia Ul Haq. To understand my ideas you have to believe that Islam and secularism are not incompatible, something which people in our region have been taught. Anyway that is an entirely different debate. What cause have I justified using Islam? lol.
                  We have many arguments that put your Pashtun-ness in doubt.

                  Since you claim your Pashto is weak and do not say where exactly you are from or which tribe you belong to, we have no proof of the fact that you are a Pashtun.

                  Also, I read somehwere you can't read Urdu. I don't even think you are from Pakistan.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by pashtun_rise View Post
                    U seem to be pro indian...if i am pro pakistani...i ve a reason....m given opportunities in pak regarding practicing free islam,education,freedom etc.Why are u pro indian?


                    I am Pro India

                    Here's why






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                    Indians science, knowledge, enlightenment, hard work, development

                    now Pakistan


                    Heera Mandi



                    drug addiction





                    Hatred of women








                    Terrorism






                    after seeing all this nonsense; .....can you blame me for preferring India? Any sensible person would
                    Last edited by RevolutionThroughReason; 06-25-2012, 12:24 PM.
                    [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

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                    • #25
                      Afghanis were very cruel at times of division of durand line....my grand parents has told all the stories...the way they had thrown us ....i wish i could hate afghanis.But i still love them...as they are pashtuns.Even afghanis who come to pak and settle here...try their best to get paki identity...now why are people becoming racist....if we are here to support afghanis.But i dont support those afghanis who stand against pakis (exclude govt n amry) for indians as a frontline.Remember O afghans! if you ll try to go against paki pashtuns and afghanis...your hands will only be painted with our blood...the pashtun blood.Coz we pashtuns are major ethnic group in pak....in KPK,FATA,PATA,balohistan,FANA....

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
                        What part in being kidnapped in my post confused you? Or duress for that matter? If you kidnap someone, and threaten him, you can even expect the Israeli flag next time. All in all, it doesn't mean nothing, don't fall into all the hoopla.
                        Please every singer and Pakistani person is being kidnapped by gangs and militants these days. Satish Anand was kidnapped, Ghazala Javed was killed another women singer i heard was also killed some time ago. Even Zeek Afridi was shot in Karachi...

                        Even I can invent conspiracy theories... Afghan intelligence shot Zeek Afridi because he sang patriotic Pakistani songs.

                        Okay fine even I say zamonga watan Afghanistan de. So what? We admit we have history with Afghanistan. Does it prove I can't be Pakistani? lol. The moment Musharraf Bangash will learn about the attitudes of many Afghans to Pakistan he will remove his association with Afghanistan faster than a Pashtun father whose daughter has started acting in porn movies. lol.
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                        • #27
                          Hey Revo man...is this why you ll sell afghanistan to indians? I would like to be in a stone age with my pashtuns brothers and sisters than to sell pashtuns land.R you pashtun by the way?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by pashtun_rise View Post




                            So now you are saying that we should not stand for islam ?

                            That's the thing, you don't stand for Islam; Pakistan and Islam are two different things. Secularism and Islam are two different things.

                            For you to claim that you're for Pakistan, Pakistan because you're for Muslims is intellectually dishonest since Pakistan is a secular country.

                            If you want to be Pakistani by all means be one; but don't expect others to accept failure. Other people care for their future. you clearly don't
                            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by pashtun_rise View Post
                              Hey Revo man...is this why you ll sell afghanistan to indians? I would like to be in a stone age with my pashtuns brothers and sisters than to sell pashtuns land.R you pashtun by the way?


                              No one is selling any land to anybody; We' just want India's help in making us a better country

                              Better to seek India than Pakistan

                              of course you'd rather have the *****s prostitutes and Mujra Dancers of Pakistan

                              you already sold Pashtun land to Indians, Pakistan is derived from India; so why are you whining?

                              I am Pashtun from one of the most important Pashtun tribes of Afghanistan.,

                              Are you sure you're Pashtun ...since you want to destroy pashtuns and watch them die in the stone age?
                              [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                              2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                              • #30
                                Islam and pashtuns are inter_connected.What kinda muslim you are not to have read the prophecies of imam mehdi and his army (pashtuns) ? Or are you gonna claim about mehdi's army to be iraqis or najdis...like wahhabis usually claim or deny that makkah will be conquered by pashtuns?

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