Why Abdul Ghaffar Khan was not a good leader for Muslims

[Toramana]

[Afghanistan2010]

duuuhhh...you think you need to translate for others, like you are a teacher for the masses
i never have heard yet of a prophet from paris

then watch the movie

un prophet ,

then you will hear about it.

[khushal]

duuuhhh...you think you need to translate for others, like you are a teacher for the masses
i never have heard yet of a prophet from paris

http://muse.jhu.edu/login?auth=0&typ...2.2spitzer.pdf

[faye]

LOL, good find khushal. 2010, must be one of those

[Soldat_Amir]

Islamists dislike Abdul Ghaffar Khan because they are upset over his views on seperate from Islamic hell hole Islamist infested Pakistan.

Salafis dislike him because he promoted a peaceful version of Islam which is very rare.

People like Afghanistan2010 who live in the west have no idea of who Bacha Khan was and what his views were.

To be honest, the one thing I dislike about Bacha Khan was, his love for Islam, he should have just been honest, he was going to be thrown into prison anyway, he just have just opened his heart and admitted the fact that Islam keeps Pashtun people in a tribal state and retards the society to levels of ignorance and bigotry.

There is no such thing as a leader of Muslims, Muslims as one group of people does not exist.

It will never exist

[Soldat_Amir]

I don't see what the problem is here on the picture. Its just the Indian cultural greeting, muslims shakes hand and sometimes hug, the French gives kisses on a cheek and chinese and Japanese fold hands toghether and bow....
You must have really small brain and narrowminded to claim that you are bad muslim becuase you have respect to other cultures, its not like he is praying in front of the Shiva statue....
-_- some need really to travel more, to open your dark minds.

Islam is a alien culture and religion in India, Arabs forced Hindus to become Muslims, at times even forced circumsions, and looted their temples.

Hindus have the right to dress as they want and practice their own culture.

Islam has never been part of India or the Sub-Continent, people consider Islam as a form of Arab values and rejected manners.

Arabs oppressed hindus, Afghans oppressed Hindus, Mughals oppressed Hindus, Turkic-Muslim conquests such as Ghaznavi oppressed Hindus, i am just amazed at Hindus tolarance towards Islam because any other nation would flatten every mosque they would see as a period of darkness inflicted on their people.

Muslims are offended by inter-faith dialogue that is why nobody likes them anywhere in the world, they think they should be given special status from the rest and they think their religion is total truth over the rest as if mankind did not exist before Mohammad discovered his new religion.

Sorry to say, if Bacha Khan is being judged because he dressed like a Hindu then to be honest, why the hell do you guys dress like Bedion Arab Nomads or some Somali pirates?

Islam does not belong in the Sub-continent, Islam brought misery and imperialism to the natives there.

[Soldat_Amir]

This guy called Milky Sheik needs to be deported back to North Africa where he belongs, his benefits should be cutt off and Salafi hating ways needs to be relocated to some desert in Africa where stupid people will listen,

If this guy, who declared Jihad on Ronaldo, is your source of knowledge, then I feel sorry for you.

German has recently done extensive searches on Salafi fanatics, hopefully Holland and France will do the same.

Deport fanatic **** back to a country where he will be happy.

Maybe Saudi Arabia would be a great place

[Afghanistan2010]

I too dislike salafists/radical wahabis who claim to be following islam but accuse others of wrong doings,while they themselves can't read quran.

[asad71]

1. One thing that puts Badsha Khan head and shoulder above his contemporaries is an unwavering courage of conviction. He never compromised. He never negotiated about the path he had chosen.

2. In late 60's Indira Gandhi had offered to make him the President of India. That would have been a coup by India over Pakistan. Badshah Khan went round India and came back to Delhi to tell Indira that he had followed Gandhi for certain ideologies which he could not see now. He therefore had to decline the offer.

3. A human being is loved by some and disliked by others, because he is human. And if he is a political leader, these emotions are more pronounced. But to my mind, here was a great man.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Islam is a alien culture and religion in India, Arabs forced Hindus to become Muslims, at times even forced circumsions, and looted their temples.

Hindus have the right to dress as they want and practice their own culture.

Islam has never been part of India or the Sub-Continent, people consider Islam as a form of Arab values and rejected manners.

Arabs oppressed hindus, Afghans oppressed Hindus, Mughals oppressed Hindus, Turkic-Muslim conquests such as Ghaznavi oppressed Hindus, i am just amazed at Hindus tolarance towards Islam because any other nation would flatten every mosque they would see as a period of darkness inflicted on their people.

Muslims are offended by inter-faith dialogue that is why nobody likes them anywhere in the world, they think they should be given special status from the rest and they think their religion is total truth over the rest as if mankind did not exist before Mohammad discovered his new religion.

Sorry to say, if Bacha Khan is being judged because he dressed like a Hindu then to be honest, why the hell do you guys dress like Bedion Arab Nomads or some Somali pirates?

Islam does not belong in the Sub-continent, Islam brought misery and imperialism to the natives there.

This is an intellectually dishonest portrayal of History of the Indian Sub-Continent , most of the Muslim converts in the Indian subcontinent were lower caste Hindus who saw Islam as a way to acquire social mobility against an exploitative and repressive social hierarchy which suppressed them.

This isn't to say Muslim invaders of various periods did not have their own hand in crimes; but to portray Islam "brought misery to the natives" is a bold face lie.

The Arab impact on the Indian subcontinent was very brief and short lived. Muhhammad Bin Qasim barely got past the Indus Valley. It was Turkic and Persian Muslims who were primarily the brunt of Muslim invaders. Pashtuns themselves are at least 40% of Turkic origins; the entire Ghilzai Tribe are Khaladj Turks by by origin. What have you to say to us?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Islamists dislike Abdul Ghaffar Khan because they are upset over his views on seperate from Islamic hell hole Islamist infested Pakistan.

Salafis dislike him because he promoted a peaceful version of Islam which is very rare.

People like Afghanistan2010 who live in the west have no idea of who Bacha Khan was and what his views were.

To be honest, the one thing I dislike about Bacha Khan was, his love for Islam, he should have just been honest, he was going to be thrown into prison anyway, he just have just opened his heart and admitted the fact that Islam keeps Pashtun people in a tribal state and retards the society to levels of ignorance and bigotry.

There is no such thing as a leader of Muslims, Muslims as one group of people does not exist.

It will never exist

I'm an Islamist, and I like Abdul Ghaffar Khan so your categorization is wrong.


why won't Muslims as one group of people ever exist?

[khushal]

why won't Muslims as one group of people ever exist?

Its human nature to argue and disagree. In the muslim world, there is no system that allows them to argue and disagree in a non violent manner. most muslim societies are ruled by corrupt regimes who repress and oppress rather than allow natural dissident which gives people no choice but to oppose violently.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Its human nature to argue and disagree. In the muslim world, there is no system that allows them to argue and disagree in a non violent manner. most muslim societies are ruled by corrupt regimes who repress and oppress rather than allow natural dissident which gives people no choice but to oppose violently.

these are not at all definitive proofs of precluding that Muslims cannot exist as one group.


and why are you trying to answer a question I directed for Soldat?

[khushal]

these are not at all definitive proofs of precluding that Muslims cannot exist as one group.


and why are you trying to answer a question I directed for Soldat?

I am not saying that muslims cant exist as one unit, but I was listing the obsticles.

Some argue that alexander, the romans, the muslim ummah, communism, capitalism goal was/is to unite humanity as one unit. The question is which system is better and which system can achieve it.



soldat is an idiot, he cant answer any questions. he comes here, rants and goes to another thread and rants some more. That is his pattern of behavior.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

fair enough