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    Brigadier (retd) Mehboob Qadir, who was Director General (SPAFO) of Pakistan Armed Forces deputationists to the Saudi Armed Forces from 1998 to 2002, noted in a recent article: “Pakistanis together with expatriates from India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Philippines, Indonesia, etc, are called ‘miskeen’ by the Saudis”. He thought, quite correctly, that the word was used to mean ‘the poor wretch’. We use the word for the ‘down and out’ in Pakistan too.

    What hurts is that the Saudis address the white expats of Europe and America as ‘rafiq’ (friend). What of the concept of ‘ummah’, he asks, which means that all Muslims are one nation? He discovers that ‘ummah’ applies only to Saudis, Iraqis, Egyptians, Yemenis, Kuwaitis Bahrainis, Emiratis, etc., but not to others. Arabs only, it seems, qualify.

    The Saudis abolished slavery only recently in 1974. Then why are we ‘miskeen’? Is it really abolished though? Arabia of the Bedouins by Marcel Kurpershoek (Saqi Books 2004), records that Saudi Arabia was still tribal and big tribal families employed lavishly opulent slaves riding Land Cruisers who made Pakistanis and Bangladeshis till the fields of their masters.

    The dominant tribe is Oteiba that “accepted Islam at the hand of the Holy Prophet (pbuh), in 622 AD and remained fiercely faithful to him”. Lawrence of Arabia modelled himself on an Oteibi warrior.

    For the poor, the Holy Quran has two words: ‘faqir’ and ‘miskeen’. ‘Faqir’ is ‘a man in need’ but ‘miskeen’ is ‘completely down and out’. ‘Faqir’ has less than what he needs; ‘miskeen’ has nothing. ‘Miskeen’ literally means, ‘brought to a standstill in one place’.

    In Hebrew, the word for poor is ‘meesken’. The Arabic root ‘skn’ means that which has lost all movement. The Urdu word ‘saakin’ (static) is related. Hence, poor is someone who can hardly move.

    But the ‘skn’ root otherwise yields positive words, like peace and tranquillity (sakoon), including the Quranic word sakina (peace) that explains the feeling inside the Ark of the Covenant, expressed in the Judaeo-Christian doctrine of shekinah.

    ‘Faqir’ comes from the root ‘fqr’ which means ‘spinal vertebra’. Derivative word ‘Zulfiqar’ means that which ‘breaks the spine’ because it was originally the name of a sword. Etymologically, therefore, ‘Faqir’ means ‘broken-backed’.

    ‘Faqir’ has taken on more meaning. It means also someone who is contented in his need. One important element in mysticism is ‘faqr’: the need to be in need. Although it is an antonym of ‘ghani’ (one who is free of need), it has come to mean something close to ‘ghani’. It is, in this sense, that a famous family of Punjab called themselves ‘faqir’. My friend and well-known scholar Faqir Aijazuddin has a very firm spine.

    The third word for poor is extremely poignant. It is ‘ghareeb’. It means someone who has left home or is homeless. And leaving home in ancient times meant going west (gharb). The sun sets (‘gharub’) in the west (‘maghrib’). When we observe the ritual of ‘Sham-e-ghariban’ during Muharram, we actually mean the ‘nightfall of the homeless’.

    In Saudi Arabia, the Europeans are called ‘rafiq’. It comes from the root ‘rfq’, meaning ‘elbow’: one who is ‘by your elbow’. Friendship is ‘rafaqat’. Interestingly, ‘artafaq’ means leaning on something for support as if raising oneself on one’s elbow.

    More derived meanings include softness because friendship is such a soft thing. When the Holy Quran talks of Paradise it talks of softness (ease) in this sense. To conclude, the most accurate sense of ‘rafiq’ is companion.
    Pakistan is in the grip of honour. ‘Miskeen’ is not a good reminder these days.


  • #2
    One comment on the above article particularly stands out.

    "An excellent Article. Believe me I met Arabs and I told them just for experiment once that I am Italian and I was instantly patted and they told me that they love Valencia and they love our Girls. Then i became a Pakistani and the same Arabs were changed and i saw a new disgusting look in them. Such is a level of Hypocrisy in Arab states. They are worshipers of White skin and for them South Asians are subhumans. I saw one Pakhtoon driver was beaten up by a Saudi and even he spit on his face and no one took action against him. In Saudia slapping on a face and spitting and throwing shoes at some laborer is a usual scene and many Indians, Afghans, Pakistanis, Bangalis and Srilankans face this type of horror on a daily basis."

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    • #3
      Having lived in saudi for a good while, I can say this article is right and wrong. Saudis mostly use all these words "rafiq" "siddiq" "miskeen" etc... to describe south asians, it depends what type of saudi is talking and what the situation is. The miskeen word is mostly used for the labour class south asians, who are treated very bad.

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      • #5
        thanks allah that i am not born saudi .....


        lanat pe dase qaum ,lanat pe dasse malk .

        i dont know what kind of milk this person in the video drank , but it was not the milk of a human but of a donkey .

        whole of saudi rotten zionist clan should be executed , because i dont know what kind of culture this is .

        every afghan communists nationalist , even kharzai and his people are better mannered like this animal .

        i have never seen or witnessed such bad behaviour by any pashtun .

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        • #6
          Toramana, this is a true problem... which no one living in the middle east can actually deny.

          I just wish you weren't the racist you are. I doubt you would be treating Saudi's any better in ur Pashtunistan or Greater Afghanistan or whatever.

          I have constantly said this to IK supporters as well... any change begins from ourselves... we can't talk about the Saudis until we abandon our racism-our hatred for Punjabis. Are we going to do unto them any better?
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          • #7
            Saudis don't just do this to Indians and Bengalis, they do it to yemenis, omanis and egyptians too.


            yuck, those predatory rodents talked about "their women" filthy low lives
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            • #8
              Originally posted by haviZsultan View Post
              Toramana, this is a true problem... which no one living in the middle east can actually deny.

              I just wish you weren't the racist you are. I doubt you would be treating Saudi's any better in ur Pashtunistan or Greater Afghanistan or whatever.

              I have constantly said this to IK supporters as well... any change begins from ourselves... we can't talk about the Saudis until we abandon our racism-our hatred for Punjabis. Are we going to do unto them any better?


              Actually one thing I give Toramana credit for as a Pashtun despite our disagreements is that he has SOME Pashtunwali, and he would never treat a guest poorly no matter what their political associations or nationality, so long as they respect the customs of the society and not try to stir conflict.


              In fact our animosity towards Punjabis, isn't because we hate Punjabis but because of our political issues with Punjabis, once Punjabis cease their perverse designs, we'll cease our hostility. The onus is on Punjabis like you to make the first move.
              [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

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              • #9
                One thing about the word "miskeen"; I'm not sure about the Saudi usage but miskeen doesn't only mean "poor and destitute", secondly "miskeen" doesn't sound like the Saudi pronounciation; I believe Saudis will say "maskeen" or "muskeen", Miskeen is something more Shami and Egyptian. Miskeen however has many usages, Like in Afghanistan we say "bechara" for "poor thing" for someone who suffered misfortune, it us said sympathetically. In the same way "muskeen" is used when someone suffers a calamity, like "al2an ana i7as 7azana kathir " (today I feel very sad) to which someone may reply "ya muskeena , ma 7as 7azana Allah yisma2 al du3ain" (don't feel sad, poor lady, God hears your supplications)

                In Saudia, they generally don't say "Rafiq" for friend, they Zamel, but zamel also has a connotation of a "lover". hahhaha

                Other than that, the Article sounds correct, but I feel this is second hand information rather than direct experience. Pakistanis have a habit of manufacturing stories.
                Last edited by RevolutionThroughReason; 06-06-2012, 09:48 AM.
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                • #10
                  so who has torabora got the hates at today? oh, the arabs. makes a change from imran khan and the people of pakistan, for a day or 2.

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                  • #11
                    If they call Pakistanis as miskeens so they are right because Pakistani leaders and army generals are the biggest beggars on this planet. So there is nothing wrong in that.

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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                      Actually one thing I give Toramana credit for as a Pashtun despite our disagreements is that he has SOME Pashtunwali, and he would never treat a guest poorly no matter what their political associations or nationality, so long as they respect the customs of the society and not try to stir conflict.


                      In fact our animosity towards Punjabis, isn't because we hate Punjabis but because of our political issues with Punjabis, once Punjabis cease their perverse designs, we'll cease our hostility. The onus is on Punjabis like you to make the first move.
                      I disagree with your assessment of Toramana but we can disagree... I have been watching him bully Shahbaz and it sets my blood on fire.

                      Za na yam Punjabi. I am not a Punjabi neither am I here to defend the Punjabis. But through time my purpose has become to present the perspective of the Pakistani Pashtun who is both patriotic and proud. He doesn't want an alien concept of division of his country coming primarily from Afghanistan to be imposed on him.

                      In Afghanistan perhaps its difficult to comprehend a race other than Pashtuns defending the country but in Pakistan we believe in ourselves and all races within as one unit. I have often heard of webmaster being this Punjabi who created this forum of Pashtuns- the fact is Punjabis aren't the only ones in Pakistan and there is a big chance he is a Pashtun. Often you will see Pashtuns defending Pakistan.

                      In recent years unity in Pakistan has been eroded through mistrust and political rivalry between our political parties which often have a way of exacerbating tensions between ethnic groups. But there was surely a time when a Pashtun would defend a Punjabi and a Punjabi a Pashtun or any other race within Pakistan for that matter. We are a shadow of ourselves today when it comes to our unity...

                      Unity in Pakistan and Afghanistan has deteriorated. Its a sad state made worse by Pashtun ultra-nationalists who can't identify other races in their nation as brothers. People do not understand how detrimental to nation building this is brother.

                      Also everyone should know I consider myself Pashtun. Maybe I'm a weak Pashtun who can barely claim to be one... but so what. You are what you choose to be. As I said I will speak about my background when my book is released.
                      Last edited by haviZsultan; 06-06-2012, 10:14 AM.
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                      • #13
                        UAE Prince Sheikh Issa bin Zayed tortures Afghan man for just 5000$ - YouTube

                        This was what a UAE sheikh did to an Afghan.

                        Its totally true what Toramana has pointed out. Btw I am in UAE... don't get me kicked out. :p
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                        • #14
                          Well if you're not here to defend the Punjabis, then you should understand why animosity towards them is based on many firm realities in our world.

                          The Saudis have no reason to mistreat South Asian workers; we have a reason for opposing the constructs of Pakistan and in particular the Punjabi hegemony

                          And your intellectual dishonesty (amongst other intellectually dishonest claims you have made in other posts) is demonstrated here when you assert a Straw Man, that somehow being against Punjabis means being against the ethnicities of Afghanistan. The Ethnicities of Afghanistan are documented Afghan nationals. Punjabis are foreigners and thus do not compare.

                          saying a rudimentary sentence in Pashto will not somehow create a facade of legitimization of a Pashtun identity.

                          Furthermore you seem to be very ideologically confused and perhaps you're this way deliberately. On one hand you're a secularist; on another you're pushing Islamic Ethics of Muslim unity to justify Pakistani Nationalistic Integration. Don't you think this is extremely dishonest, not to say the least contradictory? Islam is good enough to use as a tool and instrument that benefits your country but not good enough to rule your society? It doesn't work that way.

                          There's was never such time you speak of in Pakistan; what happened was the elite used Islam and emotionally black mailed people under the impression that Pakistan was trying to build a genuinely Muslim/Islamic society. But you're a secularist, how can a genuinely Islamic society be built on secularism when secularism is centered on keeping Islam out of the public domain. so what you confuse as unity was the abuse of playing the heart strings of the peoples religious sentiments. It was that same abuse of religion for secular purposes which lead to the rapes of thousands of Bengali women, because they were falsely called apostates for just being Bengali.

                          That reason alone, Pakistan should not exist and it's central cultural sphere, The Punjabis should be dismantled.
                          [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                          2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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