Taliban denies killing member of Afghan peace council

[faye]

khushal, there is also a debate about the influence of the iroquois confederacies on the american constitution.

[khushal]

khushal, there is also a debate about the influence of the iroquois confederacies on the american constitution.

exactly, the idea of three branches of government came from them. The isea of checks and balances of power. these people think that these ideas are brand new. they are as old as man himself.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

What are you talking about. you are living in the US therfore American Laws are presiding over you who is muslim and the 6 million other muslims. There is nothing wrong with you living in america being a law abiding citizen. you have the freedom to practice your religion, that also is a law of the kuffar or is it?

living in the U.S. does not relinquish the autonomy of Islamic Law as a Judicial System in Amongst Muslims though. Using Kufar Laws on Muslim societies does. So Your argument is a RED HERRING and also false premise.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Most of the laws we have today were copied from Greek, Islamic and other great civilizations thinking. They are nothing new that were thought up by modern day europeans. Most of British Common law is copied from the Torah, and American law is copied from British common law.

The common villagers is a response to the injustice, they are just labaled as taliban by the occupiers. Where are these Taliban think tanks who were coming up with great ideas on how to scheme a comeback. Ive never heard of them.

Totally Irrelevant red herring argument from your part. We Judge the Taliban's actions by Islam; they have no Islamic Legitimacy. What the American's do has no bearing on the standards of Islam. The Standards of Islam show the Taliban to be a criminal organization and must be abolished.


Ever heard of something called the "Quetta Shura"? I wouldn't quite call it a "think tank" ; more like a gang of thugs waiting for a chance to reclaim power. and manipulate the common Afghan to die on their behalf by taking advantage of their woes.

[khushal]

living in the U.S. does not relinquish the autonomy of Islamic Law as a Judicial System in Amongst Muslims though. Using Kufar Laws on Muslim societies does. So Your argument is a RED HERRING and also false premise.

Islamic law also gives autonomy to other judicial systems if the people choose those systems. When the Khalifa ruled, they gave autonomy to christian and jewish people because those people did not want an Islamic judicial system. The khalifa was well aware that invading those people would be violating a natural law becasue those people would resist and security for those people and their own people would be in jeopardy. The law we speak of is not a Kuffar law. It is a natural law therefore it is Gods law.

[khushal]

Totally Irrelevant red herring argument from your part. We Judge the Taliban's actions by Islam; they have no Islamic Legitimacy. What the American's do has no bearing on the standards of Islam. The Standards of Islam show the Taliban to be a criminal organization and must be abolished.


Ever heard of something called the "Quetta Shura"? I wouldn't quite call it a "think tank" ; more like a gang of thugs waiting for a chance to reclaim power. and manipulate the common Afghan to die on their behalf by taking advantage of their woes.

your the one that is guilty of a red herring fallacy. The occupation has no Islamic, moral, or ethical legitmacy of any standard. The people will naturally take care of the Taliban if the people view them as unjust, in the moment they are more concerned about a foreign occupation that is doing more damage than the Taliban in their view. You may see it differently because you are not there but the common afghan sees what the natural law allows him to see.
As Pape says "its the occupation stupid"
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...tupid?page=0,0

Man's arrogance blinds him and never learns that he can not change natural laws, God's laws.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

your the one that is guilty of a red herring fallacy. The occupation has no Islamic, moral, or ethical legitmacy of any standard. The people will naturally take care of the Taliban if the people view them as unjust, in the moment they are more concerned about a foreign occupation that is doing more damage than the Taliban in their view. You may see it differently because you are not there but the common afghan sees what the natural law allows him to see.
As Pape says "its the occupation stupid"
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...tupid?page=0,0

Man's arrogance blinds him and never learns that he can not change natural laws, God's laws.

Well that's a straw man argument since I never claimed the occupation had any moral grounds. I'm just saying arguing from a point of International Law is Moot as for as Islam is concerned and that the Taliban were already guilty of criminality thus their claim of resistance is bogus.

Pape's statement is a statement ; his research poorly composed and many logical inconsistencies or short comings.

It's not the Occupation; it's the power mad Extremists AND the Occupation.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Islamic law also gives autonomy to other judicial systems if the people choose those systems. When the Khalifa ruled, they gave autonomy to christian and jewish people because those people did not want an Islamic judicial system. The khalifa was well aware that invading those people would be violating a natural law becasue those people would resist and security for those people and their own people would be in jeopardy. The law we speak of is not a Kuffar law. It is a natural law therefore it is Gods law.

Islam gives autonomy to KUFAR for their judicial systems AMONGST themseves; not for Muslims to judge other Muslims BY international law/kufar laws

The law you speak isn't natural law; since Islam is natural law and there is no law in Islam that says only one wrong doer exists in this instance or that kufars have any right of responsibility in Muslim affairs, or that their laws apply to us over Islam's laws.

[Shah-i-Kot]

Taliban criminality? Shouldn't you have to elaborate on your use of terms. You dont back anything you state up.

The Afghan insurgency is composed of Pashtun villagers - are you saying that these Pashtuns are criminals?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Taliban criminality? Shouldn't you have to elaborate on your use of terms. You dont back anything you state up.

The Afghan insurgency is composed of Pashtun villagers - are you saying that these Pashtuns are criminals?

Randolph85 revealss pictures of the aftermath of a Taliban suicide attack where civilians are laying on the street and their cars/property destroyed. And you still have the nerve to ask what criminality they do?


don't try to use the "Pashtun Villagers" emotional black mail tactic UnknownPrince. Most Pashtun Villagers are against the Taliban.

[faye]

your the one that is guilty of a red herring fallacy. The occupation has no Islamic, moral, or ethical legitmacy of any standard. The people will naturally take care of the Taliban if the people view them as unjust, in the moment they are more concerned about a foreign occupation that is doing more damage than the Taliban in their view. You may see it differently because you are not there but the common afghan sees what the natural law allows him to see.
As Pape says "its the occupation stupid"
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...tupid?page=0,0

Man's arrogance blinds him and never learns that he can not change natural laws, God's laws.

i am not pro invasion of any country under the premise used to invade afghanistan but before the invasion and after, there have been some benefits and some losses.
khushal, i am not sure if you realise this, but hazaras have been coming to australia and other countries as refugees for many years, due to persecution and being attacked, in afghanistan and pakistan.
if the taliban consider those that work for the now, afghan government or aid organisations, etc, as traitors that need to be beheaded, what would happen if they came back to power with that mindframe? millions of afghans would be slaughtered, who have been working to try and improve their country or just plain, earn a living, to survive.

[khushal]

i am not pro invasion of any country under the premise used to invade afghanistan but before the invasion and after, there have been some benefits and some losses.
khushal, i am not sure if you realise this, but hazaras have been coming to australia and other countries as refugees for many years, due to persecution and being attacked, in afghanistan and pakistan.
if the taliban consider those that work for the now, afghan government or aid organisations, etc, as traitors that need to be beheaded, what would happen if they came back to power with that mindframe? millions of afghans would be slaughtered, who have been working to try and improve their country or just plain, earn a living, to survive.

those hazara claim bogus refugee status. They never had it better in Afghanistan since Ghengis Khan. Today they are the most educated people with the most opportunities in the country, they even trump Tajiks in education opportunities. NATO thinks they can rule Afghanistan by leveraging the monorities into ruling over the majority, thats why they are getting refugee status with all the benifits in Australia.

Afghans cant slaughter a million people, thats impossible. Only the heartless eurpeans can do that and have done that.
You do realize that the Majahadeen were slaughtering and executing afghan communists that were thought to be working with the then communist governmnet when the russians were there. And you do realize that after the communist government collapsed, most of those commies are living in luxery better than you and me today. Did the slaughter of the commies happen, no. The majahadeen started killing each other. There are former commies that are working for the US afghan government totday. Why did noone slaughter them.

[faye]

those hazara claim bogus refugee status. They never had it better in Afghanistan since Ghengis Khan. Today they are the most educated people with the most opportunities in the country, they even trump Tajiks in education opportunities. NATO thinks they can rule Afghanistan by leveraging the monorities into ruling over the majority, thats why they are getting refugee status with all the benifits in Australia.

Afghans cant slaughter a million people, thats impossible. Only the heartless eurpeans can do that and have done that.
You do realize that the Majahadeen were slaughtering and executing afghan communists that were thought to be working with the then communist governmnet when the russians were there. And you do realize that after the communist government collapsed, most of those commies are living in luxery better than you and me today. Did the slaughter of the commies happen, no. The majahadeen started killing each other. There are former commies that are working for the US afghan government totday. Why did noone slaughter them.

well that is also a lot of claims with no proof given, mr proof demander.
didn't your mob invade india? no slaughters done?

well those heartless bloody europeans colonised around the world so they could give people like you a home. so stop the whining and racism.

[khushal]

Islam gives autonomy to KUFAR for their judicial systems AMONGST themseves; not for Muslims to judge other Muslims BY international law/kufar laws

The law you speak isn't natural law; since Islam is natural law and there is no law in Islam that says only one wrong doer exists in this instance or that kufars have any right of responsibility in Muslim affairs, or that their laws apply to us over Islam's laws.

thats what I said, amongst themselves. the specific international law we speak is as old as man himself. some kuffar didnt invent it. The khalifa even followed it. your using emotional blackmail tactics by falsely labeling it as a kuffar law.

The law is as natural as gravity. The catalyst for the insecurity is the occupation. security will never improve unless the occuaption ends. Once the occuaption ends, then the filtering out of the other evil parties will naturally occur until there is balance. Right now there is a very powerful force(the occupation) preventing balance to occur. That is why the law states that the occupier is liable for everything because the occupier is preventing balance to occur.

[khushal]

well that is also a lot of claims with no proof given, mr proof demander.
didn't your mob invade india? no slaughters done?

well those heartless bloody europeans colonised around the world so they could give people like you a home. so stop the whining and racism.

your using straw man arguments.

give me a home? they destroyed my home. speaking the truth is not racism.