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  • #91
    Originally posted by sunni View Post
    LOL such a joke. dont waste ma time.
    of course because you can't refute me your Taliban are enemies of Islam, not servants of Islam, time to face reality and stop being a slave of Wahhabis.
    [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

    2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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    • #92
      AFTER the lesser signs of the Hour appear and increase, mankind will have
      reached a stage of great suffering. Then the awaited Mahdi will appear; he
      is the first of the greater, and clear, signs of the Hour. There will be
      no doubt about his existence, but this will only be clear to the
      knowledgeable people. The Mahdi will rule until the False Messiah
      (al-Masih al-Dajjal) appears, who will spread oppression and corruption.
      The only ones who will know him well and avoid his evil will be those who
      have great knowledge and Iman (faith).

      The false Messiah will remain for a while, destroying mankind completely,
      and the earth will witness the greatest Fitnah (tribulation) in its
      history. Then the Messiah Jesus (alayhe sallam) will descend, bringing
      justice from heaven. He will kill the Dajjal, and there will be years of
      safety and security.

      Then the appearance of Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog) will take mankind
      by surprise, and corruption will overtake them again. In answer to Jesus
      faithful prayer to Allah (Subhanahu wa Taala), they will die, and safety,
      security, justice and stability will return. This state of affairs will
      continue for some years, until the death of Jesus.

      The Ulama differ concerning the order in which the other greater signs of
      the Hour will come about. They are:

      nThe destruction of the Kabah and the recovery of its treasure.

      nThe rising of the sun from the west.

      nThe emergence of the Beast from the earth.

      n The smoke.

      nA wind will take the souls of the believers.

      n The Quran will be taken up into heaven.

      nA fire will drive the people to their last gathering place.

      nThe Trumpet will be sounded: at the first sound everyone will feel
      terror; at the second sound all will be struck down; at the last sound all
      will be resurrected.

      The Mahdi

      THE Mahdi will come at the end of time; he is one of the Rightly-Guided
      Caliphs and Imams. He is not the Mahdi who is expected by the Shiah, who
      they claim will appear from a tunnel in Samarra. This claim of theirs has
      no basis in reality nor in any reliable source. They allege that his name
      is Muhammad ibn al-Hasan ibn al-Askari, and that he went into the tunnel
      when he was five years old.

      The matter we intend to discuss has been proven by Ahadith narrated from
      the Prophet (sallallahu alayhe wa sallam): that the Mahdi will appear at
      the end of time. I believe that he will appear before Jesus the son of
      Mary comes down, as the Ahadith indicate.

      Hajjaj said that he heard Ali say, The Prophet said, Even if there were
      only one day left for the world, Allah would send a man from among us to
      fill the world with justice, just as it had been filled with oppression
      and justice. (Ahmad).

      Ali said, The Prophet said, The Mahdi is one of us, from among the people
      of my household. In one night Allah will inspire him and prepare him to
      carry out his task successfully. (Ahmad and Ibn Majah.)

      Ali said, whilst looking at his son al-Hasan, This son of mine is a Sayyid
      (master), as the Prophet named him. Among his descendants there will be
      man named after your Prophet. He will resemble him in behaviour but not in
      looks. Then he told them the report which mentions that the earth will be
      filled with justice. (Abu Dawud.)

      Abu Dawud devoted a chapter of his Sunan to the subject of the Mahdi. At
      the beginning of this chapter he quoted the Hadith of Jabir ibn Samrah, in
      which the Prophet said, This religion will remain steadfast until twelve
      caliphs have ruled over you. (According to another report he said, This
      religion will remain strong until twelve caliphs have ruled over you.)
      Jabir said, The people cheered and shouted Allahu akbar! Then the Prophet
      whispered something. I asked my father What did he say? My father said, He
      said, All of them will be from Quraysh.

      Another report says that when the Prophet returned to his house, Quraysh
      came to him and asked, What will happen after that? He said, Then there
      will be tribulation and killing.

      Abu Dawud reported a Hadith from Abd Allah ibn Masud: The Prophet said, If
      there were only one day left for the world, that day would be lengthened
      until a man from among my descendants or from among the people of my
      household, was sent; his name will be the same as my name, and his fathers
      name will be the same as my fathers name. He will fill the earth with
      justice and fairness, just as it will have been filled with injustice and
      oppression. The world will not end until a man of my household, whose name
      is the same as mine, holds away.

      Abd Allah said, The Prophet said, A man from my household, whose name is
      like mine, will take power. (Tirmidhi.) In another report, from Abu
      Hurairah, the Prophet said, If there were only one day left for this
      world, Allah would lengthen it until he took power.

      Abu Said said, The Prophet said, The Mahdi will be one of my descendants;
      he will have a high forehead and a hooked nose. He will fill the earth
      with justice and fairness just as it was filled with injustice and
      oppression, and he will rule for seven years. (Abu Dawud.)

      Umm Salamah reported that the Prophet said, People will begin to differ
      after the death of a Khalifah. A man from the people of Madinah will flee
      to Makkah. Some of the people of Makkah will come to him and drag him out
      against his will; they will swear allegiance to him between al-Rukn and
      al-Maqam. An army will be sent against him from Syria; it will be
      swallowed up in the desert between Makkah and Madinah. When the people see
      this, groups of people from Syria and Iraq will come and swear allegiance
      to him. Then a man from Quraysh whose mother is from Kalb will appear and
      send an army against them, and will defeat them; this will be known as the
      Battle of Kalb. Whoever does not witness the spoils of this battle will
      miss much! The Mahdi will distribute the wealth, and will rule the people
      according to the Sunnah of the Prophet. Then he will die, and the Muslims
      will pray for him. (Abu Dawud.)

      Ali said, The Prophet said, A man named al-Harith ibn Hirath will come
      from Transoxania. His army will be led by a man named Mansur. He will pave
      the way for and establish the government of the family of Muhammad, just
      as Quraysh established the government of the Messenger of Allah. Every
      believer will be obliged to support him. (Abu Dawud.)

      Abd Allah ibn al-Harith ibn Juz al-Zubaydi said, The Prophet said, A
      people will come out of the East who will pave the way for the Mahdi. (Ibn
      Majah.)

      Abd Allah said, Whilst we were with the Prophet, some young men from Banu
      Hashim approached us. When the Prophet saw them, his eyes filled with
      tears and the colour of his face changed. I said, We can see something has
      changed in your face, and it upsets us. The Prophet said, We are the
      people of a Household for whom Allah has chosen the Hereafter rather than
      this world. The people of my Household (Ahl al-Bayt) will suffer a great
      deal after my death, and will be persecuted until a people carrying black
      banners will come out of the east. They will instruct the people to do
      good, but the people will refuse; they will fight until they are
      victorious, and the people do as they asked, but they will not accept it
      from them until they hand over power to a man from my household. Then the
      earth will be filled with fairness, just as it had been filled with
      injustice. If any of you live to see this, you should go to him even if
      you have to crawl across ice.

      This text refers to the rule of the Abbasids, as we have mentioned above
      in the text referring to the beginning of their rule in 132 AH. It also
      indicates that the Mahdi will appear after the Abbasids, and that he will
      be one of the Ahl al-Bayt, a descendant of Fatimah, the daughter of the
      Prophet, through Hasan, not Husayn, as mentioned in the Hadith from Ali
      ibn Abi Talib; and Allah knows best.

      Thwaban said, The Prophet said, Three men will be killed at the place
      where your treasure is. Each of them will be the son of a Khalifah, and
      none of them will get hold of the treasure. Then the black banners will
      come out of the East, and they will slaughter you in a way which has never
      been seen before. Then he said something which I do not remember; then, If
      you see him, go and give him your allegiance, even if you have to crawl
      over ice, because he is the Khalifah of Allah, the Mahdi. (Ibn Majah.)

      The treasure referred to in this text is the treasure of the Kabah.
      Towards the end of time, three of the sons of the Khalifahs will fight to
      get hold of it, until the Mahdi appears. He will appear from the East, not
      from the tunnel of Samarra, as the Shiah claim; they believe that he is in
      this tunnel now, and they are waiting for him to emerge at the end of
      time. There is no evidence for it in any book or Sahih tradition, and
      there is no benefit in believing this.

      The truth of the matter is that the Mahdi whose coming is promised at the
      end of time will appear from the East, and people will swear allegiance to
      him at the Kabah, as some Ahadith indicate.

      At the time of the Mahdi, there will be peace and prosperity, with
      abundant crops and wealth, strong rulers, and Islam will be
      well-established.

      Abu Said said, By Allah every ruler we have had has been worse than the
      previous one, and every year has been worse than the year before, but I
      heard the Prophet say, Among your rulers will be one who will give out
      wealth freely, without counting it. A man will come and ask him for money,
      and he will say Take; the man will spread his cloak out and the ruler will
      pour money into it. The Prophet spread out a thick cloak he had been
      wearing, to demonstrate the mans actions; then he gathered it up by its
      corners and said, Then the man will take it and leave. (Ahmad.)

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      • #93
        الحمد لله وکفی والصلاة والسلام علی عباده الذین اصطفی اما بعد
        فآعوذ باالله من الشیطان الرجیم بسم الله الرحمن الرحیم

        یو کس د ا افغانستان ۲۰۱۰ په نوم غواړي چې د مسلمانانو په سترګو کې خاوري واچوي او د پنجاب د سیاسي مفاداتو لپاره د طالبانو جاهله، انپړه او اسلام دښمنه پښتون دښمنه ډله داسې معرفي کړي چې ګنې دا د هماغه مهدي علیه السلام ډله ده چې نبي صلی الله علیه وسلم یې وړاندوینه کړې ده، هغه حدیث چې دا پرې استدلال کوي په هغې کې صرف دومره راځي چې د مشرق نه به یوه ډله راځي چې تورې جنډې به لري او په هغوي کې به مهدي علیه السلام وي
        لومړی خو دا حدیث ډیر ضعیف دی
        هغه د کوم عربي ویب سایټ نه د څو عربو عالمانو خبرې رانقل کړي دي ددې حدیث په متعلق، خو هغوي دواړو عالمانو په خپلو خبرو کې په واضحه ویلي دي چې دا حدیث د استدلال وړ ندی زه به دلته د هماغه عبارت څخه د هغه عالمانو خبرې او دلیلونه رانقل کړم چې څه وايي
        الحديث إسناده ضعيف،فيه شريك بن عبد الله القاضي، سيئ الحفظ، وفيه علي بن زيد بن جدعان، ضعيف، وأبو قلابة لم يسمع من ثوبان

        دی وايي د دې حدیث سند ضعیف دی ځکه پدې کې یو راوي دی په نوم د شریک بن عبد الله چې د هغه حافظه یعنې میموري خرابه ده همدارنګه پدې حدیث کې یو بل راوي علي بن زید بن جدعان دی چې هغه هم ضعیف دی یعنې په حدیث یې باور نشي کیدلاي، بل داچې ابوقلابه د ثوبان نه هیڅ ندي اوریدلي نو کله چې ترینه څه اوریدلي نه وي نو څنګه به ترینه یو حدیث رانقل کړي
        له علة، ولذلك ضعفه إسماعيل بن إبراهيم بن علية من طريق خالد الحذاء،
        دلته دا وايي چې پدې کې یو علت یعنې عیب دی او د همدې وجې نه اسمعیل بن ابراهیم دا ضعیف کړی دی
        قال عبد الله: حدثني أبي، قال: قيل لإسماعيل بن علية في هذا الحديث، فقال: كان خالد يرويه، فلم يلتفت إليه، ضعف إسماعيل أمره. يعني: حديث خالد، عن أبي قلابة، عن أبي أسماء، عن ثوبان – رضي الله عنه - عن النبي - صلى الله عليه وسلم - في الرايات. اهـ نقلاً من كتابي العلل المتقدم ذكرهما.وقد اعتبر الألباني علته عنعنة أبي قلابة فإنه مدلس.هذا فيما يتعلق برواية ثوبان – رضي الله عنه
        دلته هم دا حدیث ضعیف ثابت شوی دی، او د حدیثو غټ عالم امام الباني ددې حدیث د یو رواي ابو قلابه په باره کې وايي چې مدلس دی نو ځکه پدې حدیث دلیل نشي نیول کیدلی


        بیا دغه عربي عالم یو بل حدیث هم رانقل کړی چې داسې دی
        عن عبد الله – رضي الله عنه -: قال: بينما نحن عند رسول الله - صلى الله عليه وسلم - إذ أقبل فتية من بني هاشم، فلما رآهم النبي - صلى الله عليه وسلم - اغرورقت عيناه وتغير لونه، قال: فقلت: ما نزال نرى في وجهك شيئاً نكرهه، فقال:" إنا أهل بيت اختار الله لنا الآخرة على الدنيا، وإن أهل بيتي سيلقون بعدي بلاءً وتشريداً وتطريداً، حتى يأتي قوم من قبل المشرق معهم رايات سود، فيسألون الخير فلا يعطونه، فيقاتلون فينصرون، فيعطون ما سألوا فلا يقبلونه حتى يدفعوها إلى رجل من أهل بيتي، فيملؤها قسطاً كما ملؤوها جوراً، فمن أدرك ذلك منكم فليأتهم ولو حبواً على الثلج
        پدې حدیث کې راغلي چې مونږ اهل بیت الله پاک د اخرت لپاره غوره کړي یو او زما اهل بیت به زما نه وروسته د مصیبتونو او کړاوونو سره مخامخ شي بیا به د مشرق نه یو قوم راشي چې هغوي سره به تورې جنډې وي نو هغوي به جنګ کوي او بیا به بریالي کیږي قدرت او واک به نیسي او بیا به دغه قدرت او واک یو کس ته ورکوي چې هغه به زما د اهل بیت نه وي
        نو دلته علماء وايي چې دې نه مراد یزید وو چې د اهل بیتو نه یې قدرت په زور واخیست او د بنو امیه سلطنت یې جوړ کړو چې بیا وروسته د خراسان نه ابومسلم خراساني راپیداشو او د اهل بیتو لپاره یې جنګ شروع کړو نو هماغه وو چې بنو امیه ته یې شکست ورکړو او بنو عباس ته یې قدرت وسپارلو چې بنو عباس د حضرت عباس رضی الله عنه اولاد وو او د اهل بیتو نه وو ځکه حضرت عباس د رسول الله علیه وسلم تره وو
        خو سره ددې ټولو خبرو بیا هم دا حدیث ډیر ضعیف او کمزوری دی او دلیل ورباندې نشي نیول کیدلی ځکه دغه عالم د نورو امامانو په حواله وايي چې
        قال ابن عدي في ترجمة يزيد بن أبي زياد: لا أعلم يرويه بهذا الإسناد عن إبراهيم غير يزيد بن أبي زياد.وهذا إسناد ضعيف جداًفي إسناده يزيد بن أبي زياد، قال فيه أبو زرعة:" لين يكتب حديثه ولا يحتج به ".وقال أبو حاتم الرازي: ليس بالقوي.وقال ابن عدي: يكتب حديثه مع ضعفه.وقد ضعفه الإمام أحمد - رحمه الله -، فقال في (العلل) رواية ابنه عبد الله (5985): حديث إبراهيم، عن علقمة، عن عبد الله ليس بشيء، يعني: حديث يزيد بن أبي زياد. اهـوقال وكيع كما في (تهذيب التهذيب 11/329):" يزيد بن أبي زياد، عن إبراهيم، عن علقمة، عن عبد الله – رضي الله عنه -: حديث الرايات السود، ليس بشيء ".وروى هذا العقيلي في (الضعفاء 4/381) عن عبد الله بن أحمد، وقال: قلت لعبد الله: الرايات السود؟ قال: نعم.ثم روى بإسناده إلى أبي أسامة أنه قال: لو حلف- يعني: يزيد بن أبي زياد –عندي خمسين يميناً قسامة ما صدقته، أهذا مذهب إبراهيم؟ أهذا مذهب علقمة ؟ أهذا مذهب عبد الله؟
        دلته ډیرو امامانو ویلي دي چې ددې حدیث سند ډیر سخت ضعیف او کمزوری دی او ددې راوي په حدیثو باندې دلیل نشي نیول کیدلی، دلته هغه د ډیرو امامانو خبرې رانقل کړي ددې حدیث په هکله لکه وايي چې امام ابو حاتم الرازي ويلي چې دا راوي کمزوری دی، امام احمد بن حنبل هم دا راوي ضعیف کړی دی او ویلي یې دي چې د دغه راوي دغه حدیث هیڅ شی هم ندی یعنې هیڅ حدیث ندی
        همدارنګه د امام شافعي استاذ وکیع ویيلي دي چې د تورو جنډو والا حدیث هیڅ شی هم ندی یعنې بیخي حدیث ندی
        همدارنګه یو بل عالم عبدالله بن احمد ددې حدیث د یو راوي یزید بن ابي زیاد په باره کې وییلي دي چې که زما په مخ کې پنځوس قسمونه وخوري نو هم زه یې په خبره باور نه کوم یعنې دومره دروغجن دی۰

        بیا دې عربي عالم وايی چې دا حدیث د یوې بلې لارې یعنې سند باندې هم روایت شوی خو دا سند د مخکنې نه هم ډیر ضعیف دی دا سند حاکم روایت کړی دی او د دې روایت په اخر کې یې بیا د نورو امامانو خبرې رانقل کړي چې دا حدیث هم هیڅ شی ندي او ډیر ضعیف دی لکه چې وايي
        فقد رواه الحاكم في (المستدرك) من طريق عمرو بن قيس، عن الحكم، عن إبراهيم.قلت: هذا الطريق أشد ضعفاً من سابقه ".والحق أن الحاكم لم يخرجه من هذا الطريق
        بیا ددې روایت په اخر کې وايي
        قال الذهبي: " موضوع ". اهـفي إسناده: حنان بن سدير، قال الدارقطني في (المؤتلف والمختلف):" من شيوخ الشيعة " كما في (اللسان 2/367-368).فلعل الذهبي رأى أن هذا الشيعي سرقه من حديث يزيد بن أبي زياد.ورواه ابن الجوزي في (الموضوعات 2/288) رقم (854) من طريق حنان بن سدير، عن عمرو بن قيس، عن الحسن، عن أبي عبيدة، عن عبد الله بن مسعود – رضي الله عنه - ثم قال: " وهذا حديث لا أصل له، ولا يعلم أن الحسن سمع من عبيدة، ولا أن عمراً سمع من الحسن ". قال يحيى:" عمرو لا شيء ". اهـفجعل حنان شيخه هنا الحسن، بدلاً من علقمة وأبي عبيدة السلماني كما في إسناد الحاكم، وهذا من تخليطه
        دلته یې د نورو امامانو خبرې رانقل کړي چې امام ذهبي وايي دا حدیث موضوعي دی یعنې په دروغو جوړ شوی دی او د نبي صلی الله پورې په دروغو تړل شوی دی همدارنګه اما این جوزي هم دا حدیث په هغه حدیثو کې راوستی دی چې په دروغو جوړ شوي دی او بیا امام این جوزي وايي چې دا حدیث بیخې اساس او اصل نه لري یعنې بنیاد یې نه دی ثابت په حدیثو کې ، بل عالم یحی ویلي چې ددې حدیث په روایت کې عمرو دی او عمرو هیڅ شی هم ندی او ددې حدیث سند ټول ګډوډ دی۰

        بیا دغه عربي مفتي د دې ټولو خبرو په اخر کې د نتیجې په توګه وايي چې
        فالحديث لا يثبت لا من طريق ثوبان، ولا من طريق ابن مسعود – رضي الله عنه - والله أعلم.وبهذا يعلم أن التعلق بمثل هذا من التعلق بالأباطيل ، ولا ينبغي لمن يحرص على دينه وذمته أن يندفع بغير بصيرة " والله يهدي من يشاء إلى صراط مستقيم

        دا وايي چې: پس دا حدیث د هیڅ یوې طریقې لارې او سند نه ثابت نه دی یعنې د نبي صلی الله وسلم نه ثابت ندی
        نه د ابن مسعود په روایت ثابت دی او نه د ثوبان په روایت ثابت دی او ددې نه معلومیږي چې د داسې حدیثو پسې نښتل د باطل او ناروا پسې نښتل دي او هیڅ یو چا ته مناسب ندي چې په خپل دین او ایمان باندې ویریږي چې پداسې حدیثو د ځان دفاع وکړي بغیر د پوهې نه او الله دې داسې خلکو ته د نیغې لارې هدایت وکړي۰


        ښه مسلمانانو دا خو صرف د هغه یو عرب مفتي خبرې وي چې افغانستان ۲۰۱۰ رانقل کړې وي خو به مفهوم او معنی یې نه پوهیدو دا څه وايي

        د هغه بل دویم مفتي خبرې به درته بیا ترجمه کړم خو هغه هم په اخره کې بیا وايي
        چې

        وبهذا تبين أن أصل هذا الحديث من الإسرائيليات

        ترجمه: اصلیت د حدیث دا دې چې دا هسې اسرایلیات دي یعنې د اسرایلو خبرې دي او په مسلمانانو پورې تړل شوې دي
        ۰

        د هغه دویم مفتي خبرې دلته په کوټیشن کې سیو کوم او بیا یې وروسته ترجمه کوم دلته یې ځکه سیو کوم چې افغانستان ۲۰۱۰ یې ډیلیټ نه کړي هاهاهاهاهاهاها

        ما تحقيق القول في مرويات الرايات السود الواردة في أحاديث الفتن المرفوعة والموقوفة؟ وكذا الأحاديث التي ورد فيها ذكر السفياني؟ وجزاكم الله خيراً.



        الحمد لله، والصلاة والسلام على رسول الله، وعلى آله وصحبه ومن والاه، أما بعد:
        إن أحاديث وروايات ظهور (الرايات السود) و(السفياني) من الأحاديث التي تعددت طرقها وألفاظها في كتب الملاحم وأشراط الساعة، حتى إن طرقها لتكاد تملأ مصنفاً كاملاً، وقد فرح بها فرق وطوائف، فزادوا فيها، وما زالوا!!
        ومن طالع تلك الأحاديث تذكر قول الإمام أحمد:"ثلاثة كتب ليس لها أصول: المغازي، والملاحم، والتفسير" (الجامع) للخطيب رقم (1536)، وهو يعني بذلك: كثرة الكذب والروايات المردودة في هذه الأبواب الثلاثة، وقلة ما يصح فيها من الأحاديث.
        فحديث (الرايات السود) له طرق وألفاظ بالغة الكثرة، وقد امتلأ بها كتاب (الفتن) لنعيم بن حماد.
        لكني لم أجد فيها حديثاً صالحاً للاحتجاج، لا مرفوعاً، ولا موقوفاً على أحد الصحابة.
        وأقوى ما ورد فيها من المرفوع –وليس فيها قوي-، الأحاديث التالية:
        أولاً: حديث ثوبان –رضي الله عنه- قال: قال رسول الله –صلى الله عليه وسلم-:"إذا رأيتم الرايات السود قد جاءت من خراسان فأتوها، فإن فيها خليفة الله المهدي"، وله ألفاظ أخرى مطولة.
        وهذا الحديث أخرجه الإمام أحمد (5/277) من طريق شريك بن عبد الله، عن علي بن زيد بن جدعان، عن أبي قلابة، عن ثوبان به.
        وهذا إسناد منقطع، حيث إن أبا قلابة لم يسمع من ثوبان شيئاً، كما قال العجلي رقم (888).
        وقد ذكره ابن الجوزي من هذا الوجه في (العلل المتناهية رقم 1445)، وأعله بعلي بن زيد بن جدعان.
        وأخرجه ابن ماجة رقم (4084)، والبزار في مسنده (المخطوط –النسخة الكتانية- 223)، من طرق صحيحة عن عبد الرزاق الصنعاني، عن الثوري، عن خالد الحذاء، عن أبي قلابة، عن أبي أسماء الرحبي، عن ثوبان، بنحوه مطولاً مرفوعاً.
        وقال البزار عقبه:"إسناده إسناد صحيح".
        وقال البيهقي عقبه في (الدلائل 6/515):"تفرد به عبد الرزاق عن الثوري".
        قلت: إسناده أقل أحواله الحُسن في الظاهر، وحتى التفرد الذي ذكره البيهقي منتقض بما أخرجه الحاكم في (المستدرك 4/463-464)، قال:"أخبرنا أبو عبد الله الصفار: حدثنا محمد بن إبراهيم بن أورمة: حدثنا الحسين بن حفص: حدثنا سفيان، عن خالد الحذاء، عن أبي قلابة، عن أبي أسماء، عن ثوبان..."، وقال الحاكم عقبه:"هذا حديث صحيح على شرط الشيخين".
        وقد نقل هذا الإسناد –كما ذكرته- الحافظ ابن حجر في (إتحاف المهرة 3/53 رقم 2513)، مما يُبعد احتمال وقوع خطأ مطبعي فيه.
        وإسناد الحاكم رجاله ثقات، إلا محمد بن إبراهيم بن أورمة، فلم أجد له ذكراً، إلا في هذا الإسناد الذي صححه الحاكم.
        لكن للحديث وجه آخر أخرجه الحاكم (4/502)، وعنه البيهقي في (الدلائل 6/516)، من طريق عبد الوهاب بن عطاء، عن خالد الحذاء، عن أبي قلابة، عن أبي أسماء، عن ثوبان موقوفاً عليه غير مرفوع إلى النبي –صلى الله عليه وسلم-.
        قلت: فمع هذا الاضطراب في إسناده، مع نكارة متنه، وعدم قيام إسناد من أسانيده، بتحمل هذا الحد من التفرد لا أستطيع أن أطمئن إلى قبول هذا الحديث، خاصة مع عبارات لبعض أئمة النقد، تدل على تضعيف الحديث من جميع وجوهه.
        بل قد وقفت على إعلالٍ خاصّ واستنكار خاص لهذا الحديث على خالد الحذاء (مع ثقته) فقد جاء في العلل للإمام أحمد برواية ابنه عبد الله رقم (2443): "حدثني أبي، قال: قيل لابن عُليّة في هذا الحديث: كان خالد يرويه، فلم يلتفت إليه، ضعف ابن عليّه أمره. يعني حديث خالد عن أبي قلابة عن أبي أسماء عن ثوبان عن النبي – صلى الله عليه وسلم – في الرايات" وانظر الضعفاء للعقيلي – ترجمة خالد بن مهران الحذاء – (2/351 رقم 403) والمنتخب من علل الخلال لابن قدامة (رقم 170).
        ثانياً: حديث عبد الله بن مسعود قال: قال رسول الله –صلى الله عليه وسلم-:"إنا أهل بيت اختار الله لنا الآخرة على الدنيا، وإن أهل بيتي سيلقون بعدي بلاء وتشريداً وتطريداً، حتى يأتي قوم من قبل المشرق، معهم رايات سود، فيسألون الخير، فلا يُعطونه، فيقاتلون فيُنصرون، فيُعطون ما سألوا، فلا يقبلونه، حتى يدفعوها إلى رجل من أهل بيتي، فيملؤها قسطاً، كما ملؤوها جوراً، فمن أدرك ذلك منكم، فليأتهم ولو حبواً على الثلج".
        أخرجه ابن ماجة (رقم 4082)، والبزار في مسنده (رقم 1556-1557)، والعقيلي في (الضعفاء) ترجمة يزيد بن أبي زياد (4/1494)، وابن عدي، ترجمة يزيد بن أبي زياد (7/276)، من طريق يزيد بن أبي زياد، عن إبراهيم النخعي، عن علقمة بن قيس النخعي، عن عبد الله بن مسعود به مرفوعاً.
        وقال عنه ابن كثير في (البداية والنهاية 9/278):"إسناده حسن"، وحسنه الألباني أيضاً في (سلسلة الأحاديث الضعيفة رقم 85).
        قلت: وهو كما قالا عن إسناده، في الظاهر قابل للتحسين.
        لكن أول ما يلفت الانتباه إلى ما في هذا الإسناد من النكارة هو ما قاله البزار عقب الحديث، حيث قال:"وهذا الحديث رواه غير واحد عن يزيد بن أبي زياد، ولا نعلم روى يزيد بن أبي زياد عن إبراهيم عن علقمة عن ابن مسعود إلا هذا الحديث".
        ومع هذا التفرد الذي صرح به ابن عدي أيضاً عقب الحديث، فإن المتفرد به –وهو يزيد بن أبي زياد- لئن رجحنا حسن حديثه، فإن مثله لا يحتمل التفرد بمثل هذا الإسناد والمتن.
        ولذلك ضعف هذا الحديث جماعة، وعدوه في مناكير يزيد بن أبي زياد.
        فقد قال وكيع بن الجراح –وذكر هذا الحديث-:"ليس بشيء".
        وقال الإمام أحمد:"ليس بشيء" أيضاً.
        وبلغ إنكار أبي أسامة حماد بن أسامة لهذا الحديث أن قال عن يزيد بن أبي زياد بخصوص روايته لهذا الحديث:"لو حلف عندي خمسين يميناً قسامة ما صدقته!! أهذا مذهب إبراهيم؟! أهذا مذهب علقمة؟! أهذا مذهب عبد الله؟!" (الضعفاء) للعقيلي (4/1493-1495).
        ولما أنكر الإمام الذهبي هذا الحديث في (السير 6/131-132)، قال بعد كلام أبي أسامة:"قلت: معذور والله أبو أسامة! وأنا قائل كذلك، فإن من قبله ومن بعده أئمة أثبات، فالآفة منه: عمداً، أو خطأ".
        لذلك فإن الراجح ضعف هذا الحديث بل إنه منكر.
        ومع هذه الأحكام من هؤلاء النقاد، لا يصح الاعتماد على المتابعة التي أوردها الدارقطني في (العلل) معلقة (5/185 رقم 808)، وأنه قد رواه ، عمارة بن القعقاع عن إبراهيم، موافقاً يزيد بن أبي زياد.
        وللحديث أوجه أخرى عن ابن مسعود –رضي الله عنه-، كلها ضعيفة، ومرجعها إلى حديث يزيد بن أبي زياد، كما يدل عليه كلام الدارقطني في العلل –الموطن السابق-.
        وانظر: الأحاديث الواردة في المهدي للدكتور: عبد العليم البستوي (قسم الصحيحة: 158-162، وقسم الضعيفة: 30-39).
        ثالثاً: حديث أبي هريرة –رضي الله عنه-، قال: قال رسول الله –صلى الله عليه وسلم-:"تخرج من خراسان رايات سود لا يردها شيء، حتى تنصب بإيلياء" أخرجه الإمام أحمد (رقم 8775) والترمذي (رقم 2269) والطبراني في (الأوسط رقم 3560)، والبيهقي في (الدلائل 6/516)، كلهم من طريق رشدين بن سعد، عن يونس بن يزيد، عن ابن شهاب، عن قبيصة بن ذؤيب، عن أبي هريرة به.
        وأشار الترمذي إلى ضعفه بقوله عقبه:"غريب".
        وقال الطبراني:"لم يرو هذا الحديث عن الزهري إلا يونس، تفرد به رشدين".
        قلت: ورشدين بن سعد اختلف فيه بين الضعف والترك، وانفراده بهذا الحديث يقتضي نكارة حديثه.
        ولذلك تعقبه البيهقي بقوله:"ويروى قريب من هذا اللفظ عن كعب الأحبار، ولعله أشبه" ثم أسند رواية كعب الأحبار موقوفة عليه.
        وبهذا تبين أن أصل هذا الحديث من الإسرائيليات.
        وللحديث بعد ذلك روايات أشد ضعفاً من التي سبقت فإني اخترت أمثل الروايات، ليقاس عليها ما هو دونها.
        وبذلك يُعلم أنه لم يصح في الرايات السود حديث مرفوع، ولا حديث موقوف على الصحابة –رضي الله عنهم-.
        وأما أحاديث السفياني:
        فلم أجد فيه حديثاً ظاهر إسناده القبول، إلا حديثاً واحداً، أخرجه الحاكم في (المستدرك 4/520) من طريق الوليد بن مسلم الدمشقي، قال: حدثنا الأوزاعي، عن يحيي بن أبي كثير، عن أبي سلمة بن عبد الرحمن، عن أبي هريرة –رضي الله عنه-، قال: قال رسول الله –صلى الله عليه وسلم-:" يخرج رجل يقال له السفياني في عمق دمشق، وعامة من يتبعه من كلب، فيقتل حتى يبقر بطون النساء، ويقتل الصبيان، فتجمع لهم قيس، فيقتلها، حتى لا يمنع ذنب تلعة، ويخرج رجل من أهل بيتي في الحرة، فيبلغ السفياني، فيبعث إليه جنداً من جنده، فيهزمهم، فيسير إليه السفياني بمن معه، حتى إذا صار ببيداء من الأرض، خُسف بهم، حتى لا ينجو منهم إلا المخبر عنهم".
        وصححه الحاكم على شرط الشيخين، ولم يتعقبه الذهبي.
        ولكن تدليس الوليد بن مسلم تدليس التسوية، مع نكارة حديثه هذا الذي لم أجده إلا من طريقه، يجعلني أتوقف في حديثه، إذ لعله أسقط ضعيفاً بين الأوزاعي ويحيي بن أبي كثير، وهذا هو تدليس التسوية.
        وهناك حديثان آخران فيهما ذكر السفياني، أخرجهما الحاكم وصححهما (4/468-469-501-502)، لكن تعقبه الذهبي فيهما، فانظر: مختصر استدراك الذهبي لابن الملقن، مع حاشية تحقيقه (7/3325-3326 رقم 1109) (7/3387 رقم 1127).
        هذه أقوى أحاديث السفياني، وأنت ترى أنه لم يصح منها شيء، والله أعلم، والحمد لله، والصلاة والسلام على رسول الله، وعلى آله وصحبه ومن والاه.


        د. الشريف حاتم بن عارف العوني
        23/7/1423هـ


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        • #94
          You can't disapprove a sahih hadith,you can give it another try.

          باسونا ته کاوه مفتی یه
          پیسلې ته کاوه قازی یه
          حو حدای شهد دی چه تا غلت یه

          هههههههههههههههههه
          High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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          • #95
            there are examples ahadith which were deemed sahih were eventually shown to be false or at least no longer sahih,
            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
              there are examples ahadith which were deemed sahih were eventually shown to be false or at least no longer sahih,
              No they werent

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              • #97
                Khorosan (the cities) geographically back then refers to present day Afghanistan.

                When the Prophet(pbuh) would explain a Hadith, he would use analogies. For example, when he spoke of the existence of planes, he referred to a donkey that could fly and that people could sit in the donkeys stomach.

                He did not mean an actual donkey that could fly. This was how he explained it.

                When he spoke of the future, he said that houses would be on top of each other. This was how he explained skyscrapers.

                So, when he talks of Khorasan, he meant the geographical location which at the time was where Afghanistan is.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by lynx View Post
                  No they werent
                  of course there is.
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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by lynx View Post
                    Khorosan (the cities) geographically back then refers to present day Afghanistan.

                    When the Prophet(pbuh) would explain a Hadith, he would use analogies. For example, when he spoke of the existence of planes, he referred to a donkey that could fly and that people could sit in the donkeys stomach.

                    He did not mean an actual donkey that could fly. This was how he explained it.

                    When he spoke of the future, he said that houses would be on top of each other. This was how he explained skyscrapers.

                    So, when he talks of Khorasan, he meant the geographical location which at the time was where Afghanistan is.

                    Any proof that this is the interpretation of the classical scholars?
                    [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                    2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                    • You know Pukhton yar awakened me today on several points; the classical scholars knew these hadith had nothing to do with events of the future but events relating to the time of the Ummayad Khilaafah
                      it all makes sense.The ahadith in no way refer to the Taliban but Abu Muslim Khurasani.
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                      2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                      • Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                        You know Pukhton yar awakened me today on several points; the classical scholars knew these hadith had nothing to do with events of the future but events relating to the time of the Ummayad Khilaafah
                        it all makes sense.The ahadith in no way refer to the Taliban but Abu Muslim Khurasani.

                        In what dreamworld do you live,we do not claim it must be the taliban,but indeed because they fight for the cause of peace (islam,shariah),they are from among the army of al mahdi,no doubt.

                        High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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                        • Originally posted by Afghanistan2010 View Post
                          You can't disapprove a sahih hadith,you can give it another try.

                          باسونا ته کاوه مفتی یه
                          پیسلې ته کاوه قازی یه
                          حو حدای شهد دی چه تا غلت یه

                          هههههههههههههههههه

                          Dear, Honestly you are wrong!!! I proved you that those are not even Hadith and those two Arab scholars have disproved them with many reasons and references from big Imaams of Elm-e- Hadith, I just translated the Fathwa of only one of them that you have copied from internet, but if you want i will translate the other one too.
                          In case those hadith approved Sahih (correct) still it can not indicate or prove that they might be Taliban, I mean there is no possibility to use it for Taliban Because:

                          one of those hadith clearly indicating that black flags will be for a nation from Khurasaan who will help my Arab ahle Baith family to take the government back from those other Arab tribe who were taken it by force.
                          and clearly it was Yazeed who toke the government from Ahle Baith (family of prophet) and then Abu Muslim Khurasani came from Khurasan with black flags and he fought for Ahle baith and toke the Government from Banu Ummanya (the tribe of Yazeed) and gave it bake to Banu Abbas( sons of Hazrat Abbas the Uncle of Prophet). and then Mahdi was the third big khalifa of Khelafate Bany Abbas. Please refer to Islamic history.

                          and the promised Mahdi is another one who will come a little before sings of qeyamat is appeared but the black flags and Khurasan is not mentioned with that promised Mahdi.

                          So please be flexible and don't misuse Islamic terms for political agenda, it is a big SIN.
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                          په نرمۍ لکه اوبه د اور ســـــــزا یم
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                          ټیټ مې مه بوله غورځنګ راباندې مه کړه
                          زه پدې افتادګۍ کې لـــــــــــوي ګړنګ یــم
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                          لکه ونه مستقیم په خپل مکان یم
                          که خزان راباندې راشي که بهار[/COLOR]
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                          • Originally posted by Pukhton Yaar View Post
                            Dear, Honestly you are wrong!!! I proved you that those are not even Hadith and those two Arab scholars have disproved them with many reasons and references from big Imaams of Elm-e- Hadith, I just translated the Fathwa of only one of them that you have copied from internet, but if you want i will translate the other one too.
                            In case those hadith approved Sahih (correct) still it can not indicate or prove that they might be Taliban, I mean there is no possibility to use it for Taliban Because:

                            one of those hadith clearly indicating that black flags will be for a nation from Khurasaan who will help my Arab ahle Baith family to take the government back from those other Arab tribe who were taken it by force.
                            and clearly it was Yazeed who toke the government from Ahle Baith (family of prophet) and then Abu Muslim Khurasani came from Khurasan with black flags and he fought for Ahle baith and toke the Government from Banu Ummanya (the tribe of Yazeed) and gave it bake to Banu Abbas( sons of Hazrat Abbas the Uncle of Prophet). and then Mahdi was the third big khalifa of Khelafate Bany Abbas. Please refer to Islamic history.

                            and the promised Mahdi is another one who will come a little before sings of qeyamat is appeared but the black flags and Khurasan is not mentioned with that promised Mahdi.

                            So please be flexible and don't misuse Islamic terms for political agenda, it is a big SIN.

                            Let us agree for a moment on your theory,okay
                            just for the sake of argumentation,if it is truth that it happend during the period of ummayed,and Abu Muslim al Khurasani was the one with the black flags,where is Mahdi (rad) ? was he killed ? did he never appear ? while the Mahdi (rad) would have come to light by know ,....think about it.

                            I can understand roughly arabic,manana.

                            High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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                            • http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/in...twaId&Id=82636

                              Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds; and blessings and peace be upon our Prophet Muhammad and upon all his Family and Companions.
                              1. As for the Hadith asking about the Mahdi it is narrated by Ibn Majah and Al Hakem from Thowban that the Prophet said: "Three men, all of them sons of Caliphs (rulers), will fight over your treasure and none of them will take it. Then black flags will appear in the Orient, they will kill you in a manner in which no one had been killed before. Thowban added the Prophet said something else that I do not remember very well, then the Prophet said: "When you see this (man) pledge allegiance to him even if this requires you to crawl on snow as he is the Caliph of Allah, Al Mahdi". Ibn Katheer described this Hadith as sound.
                              Al Albani said the meaning of this Hadith is sound except this last expression: "as he is the Caliph of Allah, Al Mahdi".
                              The "treasure" mentioned in this Hadith is the treasure of Al Kaaba. Three Caliphs will fight one another to get this treasure. When the last Day approaches, Al Mahdi will appear in the Orient not from Samurra's tunnel as claimed by some ignorants who even think that he is now there. Al Mahdi will be supported by some people from the Orient. They will appoint him Sultan (Muslim ruler). Their flags will be black and this colour is worth respect as it is the colour of the Prophet's flag, which was called: Al Iqab". (Al Nihaya) Ibn Katheer.




                              فالحديث وارد في سنن ابن ماجه عن ثوبان قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: يقتتل عند كنزكم ثلاثة كلهم ابن خليفة ثم لا يصير إلى واحد منهم، ثم تطلع الرايات السود من قبل المشرق فيقتلونكم قتلا لم يقتله قوم ، ثم ذكر شيئا لا أحفظه، فقال: فإذا رأيتموه فبايعوه ولو حبوا على الثلج، فإنه خليفة الله المهدي، وهو حديث صحيح.
                              High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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                              • Originally posted by Afghanistan2010 View Post
                                Let us agree for a moment on your theory,okay
                                just for the sake of argumentation,if it is truth that it happend during the period of ummayed,and Abu Muslim al Khurasani was the one with the black flags,where is Mahdi (rad) ? was he killed ? did he never appear ? while the Mahdi (rad) would have come to light by know ,....think about it.

                                I can understand roughly arabic,manana.

                                I told you before that there are two Mahdies, the first one has been appeared who was the third Khalifa of Banu Abbas, and Abu Muslim Khurasani was supporting him.
                                About the second one he will appear right before Qeyamat, and about the second Mahdi there is nothing regarding Black flags from Khurasan.
                                another thing is that Taliban's flag is not black, it is wight and they are not Arabs, there is no one from Ahle baith in them, they are just fighting for Afghanistan NOT for Khelafat, They have Amarat, and there is big deference between Khelafat and Amaarat. I was Talib before,I know everything please don't fool Muslims.
                                another thing Khurasani peoples are Persians Not Pashtuns! while Taliban are Pashtuns. So no way at all.
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                                په نرمۍ لکه اوبه د اور ســـــــزا یم
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                                ټیټ مې مه بوله غورځنګ راباندې مه کړه
                                زه پدې افتادګۍ کې لـــــــــــوي ګړنګ یــم
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                                لکه ونه مستقیم په خپل مکان یم
                                که خزان راباندې راشي که بهار[/COLOR]
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