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    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/te...liban/947361/0


    Tehran finds Taliban? C. Raja Mohan : Thu May 10 2012, 03:20 hrs





    TEHRAN FINDS TALIBAN?
    Angry at the successful conclusion of the strategic partnership agreement (SPA) between Kabul and Washington, Tehran has apparently renewed its contacts with the Taliban that is seeking to overthrow the government in Afghanistan led by President Hamid Karzai.
    Like Pakistan, Iran too was betting that Kabul and Washington would not be able to structure the terms for a sustainable long-term partnership between Afghanistan and the United States. Like Rawalpindi, Tehran was also hoping to see a full withdrawal by the American military forces from Afghanistan by 2014.
    After US President Barack Obama’s visit to Kabul earlier this month and the signing of the SPA, the Afghan landscape looks a lot different. For one, Obama has signalled the political will to undertake a long-term strategic commitment to the future of Afghanistan.
    This would involve mobilising international monetary and military support for Afghanistan’s economic development and national security. On the military side, this involves standing up and funding a strong Afghan National Army.
    Iran, like Pakistan, is not enthused by the prospect of a large Afghan national armed force backed by US military might and Western economic largesse. Historically, Kabul never had much of a standing army because Afghanistan never had the resources to pay for one.
    Worse still from Tehran’s perspective is the prospect
    that the US would retain a strong military force in Afghanistan after 2014, when Washington plans to end its combat role there.
    The size of this residual US force is yet to be determined. There is speculation that it could range from 20,000 to 40,000 troops. It would involve probably the world’s biggest concentration of US Special Forces in any one theatre. That is a sizeable presence that will aid and assist the Afghan forces to defend Kabul’s sovereignty. The US forces will also join the Afghan troops in actual combat if needed. The US-Afghan SPA is valid for 10 years after 2014. This means there could be a muscular American military presence in Afghanistan up to 2024.
    Besides helping Kabul to secure its sovereignty, US forces will also be engaged in counter-terror missions against al-Qaeda and its radical allies that enjoy shelter and patronage in Pakistan’s western borderlands.

    PRESSING KABUL
    The US-Afghan SPA is not welcome in Iran and Tehran is making its displeasure known. A few days ago, Iranian
    foreign ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast attacked the pact between Washington and Tehran.
    “Not only will the strategic pact not resolve Afghanistan’s security problems, but it will intensify insecurity and instability in Afghanistan,” Mehmanparast said.
    He added that the pact is a source of “concern” for Iran as “the status of US military bases in Afghanistan is unclear and the security duties of US forces lack transparency”.
    For its part, the government of Hamid Karzai did its best to reassure Iran in negotiating the SPA with Washington. The pact declares that the US will not use Afghan soil to attack Kabul’s neighbours.
    The SPA will be followed by a “status of forces” agreement that will give Kabul sovereign control over the disposition of American troops in Afghanistan. Both Kabul and Washington have declared that the US is not seeking permanent military bases in Afghanistan.
    This was not enough to satisfy Iran. Iran’s ambassador to Kabul called on the Afghan parliament to reject the SPA with the US. Iran’s aggressive campaign has angered lawmakers in Kabul, who have denounced Tehran’s interference in the internal affairs of Afghanistan.

    LITTLE SATAN
    As it comes to terms with the deepening bond between Kabul and Washington, Tehran is, not surprisingly, looking at options to increase its leverage in Afghanistan.
    Until now, Iran has presented itself as a friend of Kabul. Now Tehran has begun to befriend Kabul’s enemies. But surely the interests of Tehran and the Taliban are incompatible in Afghanistan?
    That might well be; but for now Tehran’s priority is to deal with the “Big Satan”, the US. If that involves making deals with the Taliban, the “Little Satan”, then so be it.
    Meanwhile, the mounting tensions between Tehran and Kabul begin to raise an important question for New Delhi. For long, Delhi has assumed that Tehran is a natural ally in strengthening Kabul against the Taliban and its friends. Iran also gives India physical access to Afghanistan that Pakistan refuses to.
    This presumed convergence might come under stress, as India deepens its political commitment to Afghanistan and Tehran looks to Kabul’s enemies.

    The writer is a distinguished fellow at the Observer Research Foundation, Delhi
    Last edited by Shah-i-Kot; 05-10-2012, 12:52 AM.

  • #2
    iran plays a double game and isnt even trying to hide it.

    at that islamic conference a while back, a taliban delegation and rabbanis delegation were both there.
    There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

    Sayyid Qutb

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    • #3
      ^^^^ Obviously, Iran has known that Afghans are opposed to the NATO occupation, and that puppet Karzai/Spanta dont represent Afghanistan.

      They thought that they could have a pro-Iran government that would be against the NATO war.

      Now they are just wanting to see an independent Afghanistan.

      Likewise, their interests converge with that of Afghans and the rest of the region.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by lynx View Post
        Now they are just wanting to see an Iran dependent Afghanistan.
        Fixed.
        Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

        A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

        For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


        The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

        -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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        • #5
          Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
          iran plays a double game and isnt even trying to hide it.

          at that islamic conference a while back, a taliban delegation and rabbanis delegation were both there.

          It was not a double game. Iran has been clear that they want to see the US/NATO war over. The only thing they wanted was to see a government that was tilted towards Iran.

          However, all things aside, I think they probably are no longer concerned about that, and it no longer is a priority.

          Their priority is to see the NATO war/occupation over

          Again, for their own interests, but I think these interests converge with the Afghan interests as well as the region

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
            Fixed.
            I dont get it?

            Iran is fully aware of the prospect of having a Sunni Sharia government in Afghanistan (something they previously did not want- thats why they went out their way to work with Karzai) Thats changed now. They now know Karzai is a puppet.

            Again, for Iran's OWN interests, they want to see an independent Afghanistan

            An independent Afghanistan means one in which there is no US occupation/war, and now Karzai regime.


            That does not make the Afghan interest of independence any less credible at all. Vietnam is not dependent on China or Russia . On the contrary, Vietnam has issues with China/Russia.


            It just means that the Afghan interest of independence converges with the regional opposition to the occupation.
            Last edited by Shah-i-Kot; 05-10-2012, 08:01 PM.

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            • #7
              iran wants to see an independent afghanistan?

              are you out of your mind?


              how is it not a double game, 2 days ago you make a thread about iran interfering in afghanistan because they support the war, now they want to see an independent afghanistan?

              iran doesn't want american bases on its neighbors soil that threatens iran, it has nothing to do with afghanistan being free or not. iran didn't want the taliban in herat either.
              There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

              Sayyid Qutb

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              • #8
                Afghans are opposed to the occupation/war.

                Just because other regional nations are, it does not make Afghans objective of freedom, peace, and independence any less credible at all.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by lynx View Post
                  I dont get it?

                  Iran is fully aware of the prospect of having a Sunni Sharia government in Afghanistan (something they previously did not want- thats why they went out their way to work with Karzai) Thats changed now. They now know Karzai is a puppet.

                  Again, for Iran's OWN interests, they want to see an independent Afghanistan

                  An independent Afghanistan means one in which there is no US occupation/war, and now Karzai regime.


                  That does not make the Afghan interest of independence any less credible at all. Vietnam is not dependent on China or Russia . On the contrary, Vietnam has issues with China/Russia.


                  It just means that the Afghan interest of independence converges with the regional opposition to the occupation.


                  it took them 10 years to realize karzai is a puppet? don't be so easily fooled. in a few months we will be seeing ahmadinejad and karzai photo ops.


                  you give iran way way too much credit. this is not a regime that bases its decisions on the greater good, morality, or islamic solidarity. iran is out for iran.
                  There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                  Sayyid Qutb

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lynx View Post
                    Afghans are opposed to the occupation/war.

                    Just because other regional nations are, it does not make Afghans objective of freedom, peace, and independence any less credible at all.

                    iran doesn't care what afghans are for or against.

                    this is not a sane regime when it comes to afghanistan.

                    its the same country that demanded hezb i wahdat have like 50% of the government spots in the mujahadin government.
                    There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                    Sayyid Qutb

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
                      iran wants to see an independent afghanistan?

                      are you out of your mind?


                      how is it not a double game, 2 days ago you make a thread about iran interfering in afghanistan because they support the war, now they want to see an independent afghanistan?

                      iran doesn't want american bases on its neighbors soil that threatens iran, it has nothing to do with afghanistan being free or not. iran didn't want the taliban in herat either.
                      They have been interfering by recognizing and supporting the illegal Karzai regime. The illegal Karzai regime is only possible due to Pakistan supply routes to NATO/Karzai.


                      Iran's priority now seems to be that they want to see a Afghanistan free from the US/NATO occupation, no matter what government is in place.

                      No occupation leads to Afghan independence unless you think Afghanistan is independent with an occupation ???

                      Its called common interests.

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                      • #12
                        afghanistan has no common interests with iran. like iran has no common interests with the syrian nation.

                        the second there is a new civil war, do you think iran won't support their northern alliance and shia pals against the taliban?
                        There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                        Sayyid Qutb

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
                          it took them 10 years to realize karzai is a puppet? don't be so easily fooled. in a few months we will be seeing ahmadinejad and karzai photo ops.


                          you give iran way way too much credit. this is not a regime that bases its decisions on the greater good, morality, or islamic solidarity. iran is out for iran.
                          See this is what you dont get. You get so emotional and all that when something doesnt fit for you.

                          I never said Iran state cares about Afghans, and nor have I ever said that Pakistan state cares for Afghans.

                          What I am saying is that Iran's interests of seeing the NATO occupation in Afghanistan over converges with the aspirations of Afghans for independence. This is called diplomacy. This is how the world has worked for millenia.

                          Obviously, Iran has their own interests.

                          They did think Karzai could be lilke a Nuri Al-Maliki in Iraq who would oppose the NATO occupation, but now they have realized that not to be the case.

                          Hence, their change in interests.

                          As BA has pointed out, they will work for their own Iranian interests.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
                            afghanistan has no common interests with iran. like iran has no common interests with the syrian nation.

                            the second there is a new civil war, do you think iran won't support their northern alliance and shia pals against the taliban?
                            Northern Alliance is finished. Their leaders have become fat, lazy, and corrupt.

                            What civil war?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by lynx View Post
                              Northern Alliance is finished. Their leaders have become fat, lazy, and corrupt.

                              What civil war?

                              in case you didn't notice, their leaders have always been fat, lazy and corrupt. this didn't stop iran from supporting them with money and arms, even when they controlled a fraction of afghanistan.
                              There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                              Sayyid Qutb

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