Senators spurn Iran’s request on strategic pact

[RevolutionThroughReason]

because Ahle Sunnah are on the right path and shias are on the path of deviation.

your hatred for sunnis has been exposed,so much for barking saudi and wahabi all the time.You just condoned the massacre of sunnis by shias in iraq labeling it saudi blah blah etc.

Says who? The Shi'a say the same about Sunnis....what evidence do either side have that their claims are valid?

Your argument is circular.

How does the fact that Saudis fueling sectarian violence lead to condonation? do you know what the definition of condonation is?

And how does demonstrating the Saudis and Wahhabis lead to hating Sunnis; are you saying Sunnis follow Wahhabism?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

wow
liste to this guys.
this guy is a classic one.

so you're saying that sectarian violence wasn't started by Saudi funded extremists?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

you are a pathetic liar and far from reality.

What did I just lie about?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

The Zaydiyya of Yemen are still Shi'ah and close to Athna‘ashariyyah only difference being the succession of the Imamah. The point being is that Iran is are interefering everywhere in the Arab world from north in Lebanon to South in Yemen.

No they're very different

In matters of Islamic jurisprudence, the Zaydis follow Zayd ibn Ali's teachings which are documented in his book Majmu'l Fiqh (in Arabic: مجموع الفِقه). The Zaydi fiqh is similar to the Sunni Hanafi school of Islamic jurisprudence.[1]

I was not saying that Omanis are Shi'ah just that there are CULTURAL similarities between Oman and Iran due to proximity and close relations throughout history.

I mean you also have clear Turkish influences in Yemen and most of Arab world due to Ottoman Khalifa. But they are still Arabs with their own culture. Iranian influence is trying to change that belief me.

And what does not impress you? Killings of the people of Sunnah, obvious discrimination of half of the population?

Less than half, Sunnis are only 35% ; I agree it is horrible, but remember that Sunnis also did it to Sh'a. Maybe sunnis should apologize for the past and things will change?

Most Iraqis in Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia and in Kuwait are Sunnis who escaped from discrimination. Just alone in those countries you have 4-5 million Sunni Iraqis who before lived in Iraq.

The Saudi rulers are to blame really, They started helping Zarqawi to fuel the turmoil between Sunni and Shi'a. I am not saying That Iran is innocent but this all started when the suicide attacks happened.

That's huge demographic change not healthy. Imagine if 5 million Afghan Pashtuns emigrated to Pakistan in 4-5 years only while Tajiks and others stayed. It would destroy the balance.

Yeah I agree demographic change is not good; but would this have happened if the Saudis did not fund sectarian violence?

Think about it. I am not supporting injustice, but you have to acknowledge horrible things lead to other horrible things.

Yes, we have 15-20 shia minority in Eastern province of Saudi Arabia but those are mostly descendents of Iranis like in Bahrain but of course also locals.

have you done genetic studies to confirm their ancestry?

Suicide bombing was not invented by Saudi nor encouraged. It was invention of the west and Tamil tiger founded suicide bombing. This has nothing to do with Arabs or Islam I do not know why you mention this.

I am not talking about who invented it; Many extemist Saudi clerics support and encourage the suicide attacks. they're supported by the state as well.

Iran is founding Shia militias in Iraq despite them not speaking Farsi, being Iranian or have any cultural similarities apart from being Shi'ah.

Even some Shi'ah Iraqis (all are Arabs apart from one Kurdish tribe -forgot the name) are starting to worry about the Irani influence.

Well you don't have people who agree 100% on one thing

I am Sunni by background and I prefer Iran to Saudis, not because I hate Sunnis, but the things Saudis have done for the Muslim world have set it back many decades. It is time for change. I don't want Iran either, but if we had to choose between Iranian or Saudi Influence, I would take Iranian.




Ahmad Deedat praised Khomeini and he was a Sunni

Ahmad Deedat on Iran | A Nation Reborn 7 (The Imam) - YouTube

[Afghanistan2010]

@ Al--Arab

These stories don't impress me because Shi'a killed Sunnis and Sunnis killed Shi'a

and the reason this happened is because of the Saudis funding suicide attacks against Shi'a in Iraq nd then Shi'a got angry and retaliated.

here you lied.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

here you lied.

did I?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-11/debating-whom-to-blame-for-mideast-sectarian-clashes-noe-raad.html

The Saudi regime, Rashid wrote, is using regional and sectarian divisions "in a desperate attempt to contain the repercussions of the Arab spring and postpone the arrival of its winds in Saudi Arabia.” The Kingdom’s elite would be better off embarking on deep, structural reforms, she said, arguing, “the more the regime ignores this file, the deeper it is digging its grave with its own hands.”

[RevolutionThroughReason]

According to the west the people of Sunnah are only 40 percent in Iraq while there is 57 Shi'ah rest either Christian or Kurdish belief. This statistic is wrong for many clear reasons.

Even if the 4-5 million people of Sunnah who emigrate from Iraq to neighbouring Saud Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan and Syria are included then they are majority.

This is an exaggerated number. The actual number is closer to 2 million, and not all are Sunni, many are Shi'a.

But all this does not matter the point is that half of the population suffer daily from heavy discrimination, killings etc.

Many of these are perpetrated by Sunnis as well not Shi'a

This is not happening with the Shi'ah minority in any other Arab country if so please name them for me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16543013

Issam Mohammed, 22, reportedly died when troops fired live ammunition after demonstrators threw stones at them in al-Awamiya, a town in the Qatif region.

Also you have the corrupt Iraqi police. 90 percent of them are non-Sunni despite Iraq being half Sunni and half Shi'ah

So if 90% of them are not Sunni, what are the 10% And we showed that your claim that Iraq is half Sunni is misrepresented. You're making numbers by assumption not reference.

So if there's only 10% Sunni this makes sense given how significantly lower the Sunnis are in general.

The same in Syria where all military and police is nearly Alawite despite only being 20 percent of population.

I agree about Syria, but this is Bashar's own fault, remember he's an Arab Nationalist. Iran isn't dictating to him what to do, they just support him, not fund or arm him.

One thing is cooperation other thing is bad influence and Iran is sadly doing number 2, not only in Iraq but whole Arab world and also non-Arab states (Afghanistan a good example)

Same with Saudi Arabia, just Saudis are worse, I say this since my dad is Afghan, Arabs were not all to blame but the influence from the Arab Gulf Region has been one of the worst in Afghanistan.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

But the sad thing is that Iran is not even helping in those Arab countries they try to interfere in (Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Bahrain, Gulf, Yemen etc.) but are very pragmatic and only care about their growing power.

When has Saudi Arabia done to help poor Muslim countries, they just helped the Taliban kill more Muslims, sectarian murders in Pakistan, murdering blacks in Darfur.

Iran is not nearly as wealthy as Saudi Arabia but if HAMAS and Hezbollah are any example they do more for their people in terms services for their people and it is supported via Iran. What has Saudis done to relieve poverty?

So we cannot conclude any positve from Iran's interference other than secterianism that was started by the evil invadors who labelled every Sunni Iraqi an Wahhabi extremist and removed all from their normal jobs.

The sectarianism started with suicide bombings and those started with Saudi Shaikhs on the Government Payroll.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

You can find that Iraq is 62-65% Shia in Islamic sources too

http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/shia_population.htm

Iraq----------- 21,422,292------------ 62.5%------------------ 13,388,933 Imami

This is way before the Iraq War, so you don't have that excuse, if 5 Million Sunnis left, then Iraq would have more than 65% SHia

[RevolutionThroughReason]

They would have to be wrong; because how can we get that in 1997 the Shi'a population is 62.5% if the reason it is today 65% was due to 5 million people migrating from Iraq. This would be preposterous.

Much more recent doesn't necessarily mean more accurate. But we can see here that the statistical claims against Shi'a being 65% due to migration would have to be incorrect because it was 62.5% before any of the war happened.

Saudi Arabians did a lot of good in Iraq? Like what butcher small girls for taking candy from an American soldier? Why did the Sunnis of Anbar rise up against the Saudi Militants if they were doing such a good job? Clearly not doing well.

Wherever Saudis go there are always problems. Afghanistan is no different.

Saudi Arabia helped in Pakistan, Checnia, Balkans? Pakistan has horrible destitution, Checnia is back under Russian control, Balkans still lack a viable economy.

Saudis only care about private jets and flying birds in the desert; Saudis are the laziest and some of the most uneducated people on earth, and they have no excuse, they have money, they have many resources.

No, suicide bombings happened when Saudis wanted to leap for the power vacuum in Iraq, this stuff about Shi'a Militias is just Post-Hoc the formation of the Government. Even if it was pre-Hoc though then there is NO excuse for suicide bombings, the ones who teach suicide bombings are from Saudia.


I watched the report; but your argument is contradicting itself; If Iraq is being financed by Iran, through these Shi'ite groups and Shi'a are getting all the jobs and work, then how can it be that the Shi'ite in Iraq are suffering? I think Iraqs are suffering , but logically it can't be because of Iran, it's just because of the Americans and their exploitation, and this is supported by Saudis

Saudi= America's slave.

[Shah-i-Kot]

Both Saudi Arabia and Iran naturally compete for influence, and by doing so go to any extent. Iran does this especially with the Palestine issue.

Saudi Arabia is championing Syrians rising against Assad but helping the suppression of similar movements in Yemen and Bahrain. On the other hand, Iran is championing the Bahraini rising, the Egyptian Revolution, Libya, etc, but is supporting Assad's suppression of the Syrian rising.

While Iran supports the uprisings in the Sunni nations that they have no immediate Shiite interests in, they do not do the same for Syria since the Syrian uprising is Sunni and Assad is Shiite.

Saudi Arabia does the same, except in the reverse.

[Afghanistan2010]

Huge problem in Iraq,is the interference by neighbouring Iran.
It is doing the same as it did to Afghanistan,helping regional terrorists inside iraq to rise support and gain power.
Even the American government knew this.


There are alot of groups sponsered by the Maliki government and the Iranian government,like Mahdi Army,Badr Brigade,Sadrists (main) and other smaller factions like Kataib Hizbollah and such.

But the people of sunnah has successfully contered them and rooted them out.

Iraqi Shia Army Helping Mahdi Shia Militia Attack Sunni Neighbourhood.WMV - YouTube

Elements of the Mahdi Army militia, accompanied by Iraqi arm - YouTube

[Shah-i-Kot]

Revolutionthroughreason,

Your whole talk of Iran is better than Saudi Arabia is actually pretty ridiculous.

Saudi Arabia, while having a fair share of their own problems, does not serve Western hegemony. On the contrary, primarily due to the importance of their oil to the global economy, they command an authority and influence that no amount of threats can diminish.

Having said that, their government is as corrupt as Iran's.


Saudi Arabia did not send suicide bombers to Iraq. Thats a claim that is refuted by research by many, including Dr. Pape. Its refuted. According to Dr. Pape, this extreme actions were due to the occupation of Iraq by the US.

Its simple to understand- nothing complex.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Revolutionthroughreason,

Your whole talk of Iran is better than Saudi Arabia is actually pretty ridiculous.

Saudi Arabia, while having a fair share of their own problems, does not serve Western hegemony. On the contrary, primarily due to the importance of their oil to the global economy, they command an authority and influence that no amount of threats can diminish.

Having said that, their government is as corrupt as Iran's.


Saudi Arabia did not send suicide bombers to Iraq. Thats a claim that is refuted by research by many, including Dr. Pape. Its refuted. According to Dr. Pape, this extreme actions were due to the occupation of Iraq by the US.

Its simple to understand- nothing complex.

Better doesn't than bad doesn't necessarily mean "good"; use some common sense please UnknownPrince.

Saudi Arabia does NOT serve Western Hegemony? .....So what are all those bases doing in KSA?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Huge problem in Iraq,is the interference by neighbouring Iran.
It is doing the same as it did to Afghanistan,helping regional terrorists inside iraq to rise support and gain power.
Even the American government knew this.


There are alot of groups sponsered by the Maliki government and the Iranian government,like Mahdi Army,Badr Brigade,Sadrists (main) and other smaller factions like Kataib Hizbollah and such.

But the people of sunnah has successfully contered them and rooted them out.

You're right Iran does arm and fund Taliban in afghanistan,.....but we're talking about DEGREE


Iran is better than Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia helped Taliban murder so many Afghans. compared to them Iran is an angel.

I'm talking about weight of comparison. At least Iran has strong infrastructure scientists and women can get an education.