...... Pakistan ......

[Nokia_Apridy]

MATA ZWAB RAKAY...........

dA UK DA AMREKAY AO EUROPE ka MYASHTU DA MASTI DAKO

KHALKU

SOK DA PAKISTAN NA KARAKA KAWE....................

haga har saray ZWAB rakay....

[Master Khan]

and still you have UK as location in your profile lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Make your mind before saying

Like in Pakistan, I never been to Sind or Punjab etc

[Jana]

MATA ZWAB RAKAY...........

dA UK DA AMREKAY AO EUROPE ka MYASHTU DA MASTI DAKO

KHALKU

SOK DA PAKISTAN NA KARAKA KAWE....................

haga har saray ZWAB rakay....

Zra ma khora. Dwee sara zawab (jawab nashta zaka chay dwee dumra naran na dee chee da amreeka aw UK khilaf khabara wakri. tola kisa ye haghwi sara khlasa karay wa aw ramanday mang pasay wakhi.

Zamang na zaka kraka kaee chee hagha beimana Daud dairay halay zalay karay wee aw terrorism ye ham karay wo chee Khyber Pukhtunkhwa ba Afghanistan ka shamil kri kho zamang tha KP naro Pukhtano hagha zghalawalay wo..

[Jana]

Yeah i see , you call it pashtunistan , when you got northern alliance on your heads ruling you.

Daud tried it and we kicked his donka. They can not get majority without Pakistani Pukhtuns and so they come up with their raga of Pashtunistan (lolzz a farsied word)

[Jana]

^Not everyone thinks like that. Many consider Pakistan there home. They want nothing to do with Afghanistan. Take Yusufzais for example, many are brainwashed to think they have no roots in Kabul and Kandahar. When those are there original hometowns.

Please dont insult Yousafzais. Yousafzais are very educated people and FYI even the yousafzai Pashto dialect is considered near to the original one here in Khyber Pukhtunkhwa. Nobody can brainwash them.

[Jana]

Jana if you are going to debate then rely on solid links and evidence and not old wive's tales. First of all, the soviets invasion into Afghanistan was something the US wanted. It was called the Afghan bear trap. This is none other than Zbigniew Brzenzski
Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

CRG -- The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan

SO Do you justify the actions of US and USSR ??? the above is purely the battle field of US and USSR at that time.

Why Pakistan entered into it let me reply to that in the bellow comment.

Jana you can't justify the interference of one state in another. It is not only illegal but also a recipe for disaster in a region.

This is what

Jana you can't eat the cake and have it too. Manipulate in one setting and then cry foul in another. That is total hypocrisy.

About Nokia, well he says these weird things all the time, and everything he says starts in 1835. I wouldn't take it seriously.

Agreed interference in another country is illegal indeed. BUT not so quick please do read the history that why Pakistan joined first Afghan war against USSR and Above all you or someone else was claiming here that Pakistan started covert operation before the Soviets invaded Afghanistan.

But the poster failed to see the real reasons behind Pakistan's action here is something please do read the history before even pointing fingers at us.


It was Afghanistan that had interfered into Pakistani affairs so we replied in the same

I am quoting it here


"In 1961, as a result of Daoud's antagonistic policies and support to militias in areas along the Durand Line, Pakistan closed its borders with Afghanistan causing an economic crisis and greater dependence on the USSR. The USSR became Afghanistan's principal trading partner. Within a few months, the USSR had sent jet airplanes, tanks, heavy and light artillery for a heavily discounted price tag of $25 million.

In 1962, Daud sent troops across the international border into the Bajaur region of Pakistan in an attempt to manipulate events in that area and to press the Pashtunistan issue, but the Afghan military forces were routed by local Pashtun tribesmen, along with the Pakistani military. During this period the propaganda war from Afghanistan, carried on by radio, was relentless.

P.S. Jana I am waiting for proof about meat being banned in India and other claims that you bought forward. We would all like solid proof.

Please PM me what other posts to which you want an answer because i dont remember and have not much time to search for those. I will happily reply to those posts.

Will reply to that beef point later as at this point here it derails the thread.

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Jana provide us links with the second set of information. Second of all that is a quote by zbigniew brzezinski, it was there to disprove the myth that has been surrounded around the Soviet War. People here make ti seem as if they did a favour upon Afghanistan in the 80s, rather it was just a strategic game. I look at it from the point of view of Pashtuns/Afghans, not from GHQ's.