Pakistan's ISI intelligence agency 'supports' Taliban

[Jana]

I would disagree there with you.

They have not been sheltering Anti Pakistan Militants, which can clearly seen in 2007, when Mullah Nazeers group kicked out Anti Pakistan Uzbek Militant group.

Those very Uzbeks were sheltered by Haqqani and Co and they booted them out because these Uzebks were getting too strong, challenging, overcoming the powers of locals including Wazirs and Mehsuds and their supporters.

Recently a tribal jirga consisting of both Mullah Nazeer and Gul badahar have confirmed that they will boot out any Anti state element from South/North Waziristan, which can be seen last week, when 400 Tribal elders of the Wazir tribe assured the Pakistan army and government that it will make sure Mahsuds will not pass on their land.

NO not recently rather in the past they had accords with the govt but always violated these. There had been no Recent jirga by Nazeer and Gul Bahadur rather there was one from Mehsud elders assuring the political agent provided if NO military operation is launched.



[QUOTE]Jana, have you been to Waziristan if so, go to Miram Shah, and you will kindly see both Paksitan army and Taliban units together in peace, doesnt this tell you something. Secondly, Pakistan seems to be avoiding operation in North Waziristan, since its assets may be harmed.[/QUOTE

yes i had been even at a time when people avoid to go there. They are own people so holding talks with them is not a bad thing neither forbidden.

We can not just blindly fire at them. As far as operation in NW is concerned as far as i know and have seen the fighters have more preparations than the army and they even have solid bunkers so stretching army at this point is tantamount to harming our ownselves instead of harming the militants.


Above all as soon as we announce launching an operation, the militants will cross over to Afghanistan just like TTP did. So no assets at the moment.

How is my posts biased? Ive been to Waziristan myself, Have you been to Waziristan, or you just another one of those Pak Defence Members coming on here spreading False Propaghanda in favor of your American fed Pak fauge.

Kind Regards

lolzz as long as Americans feed you directly then its ok but its wrong if your neighbour is getting the pie. Quite natural. for me its you who is spreading false propaganda and for you it will be me.
As they say your terrorist is my hero and my terrorist is your hero.

I am not some emotional goon so try next time

[Farhan88]

Lool at Pakistan being an Islamic nation! Where was your Islamiyat when u raped and killed millions of Bangalis? Where's your Islamiyat regarding ethnic cleansing in Sindh and Balochistan? Where was ur Pakistaniyat when milions of Afghans came as refugees to Pakhtunkhwa but all the money given by US got poured into Punjab? Where was your national unity when people of Pakhtunkhwa were refused entrance in Punjab and Sindh 'cause of which they had to flee to wartorn places like Khost, Kunar, Helmand, etc? Even Karzai was more human than you Pakistanis who probably hasn't done anything for its own people but provided those people food and clothing! Once when Afghanistan was stable all of u Pakistanis were shouting for unity.

[Michin Khel]

Lool at Pakiiland being an Islamic nation! Where was your Islamiyat when u raped and killed millions of Bangalis? Where's your Islamiyat regarding ethnic cleansing in Sindh and Balochistan? Where was ur Pakistaniyat when milions of Afghans came as refugees to Pakhtunkhwa but all the money given by US got poured into Punjab? Where was your national unity when people of Pakhtunkhwa were refused entrance in Punjab and Sindh 'cause of which they had to flee to wartorn places like Khost, Kunar, Helmand, etc? Even Karzai was more human than you Pakii wahshis who probably hasn't done anything for its own people but provided those people food and clothing! Once when Afghanistan was stable all of u Pakii dogs were shouting for unity but as soon as Afghanistan got in war u dumbf**ks think being with Pakiiland actually saved u from war while it were Punjapai haramis who fuelled the war in Afghanistan! F**king shame on every single one of u who defends Pakii interference with our motherland Afghanistan and tuff lahnat on every single one of u! And this coming from someone from Pakhtunkhwa!

Watch your language. Any how you are reported.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

[QUOTE=Jana;53295]Those very Uzbeks were sheltered by Haqqani and Co and they booted them out because these Uzebks were getting too strong, challenging, overcoming the powers of locals including Wazirs and Mehsuds and their supporters.





NO not recently rather in the past they had accords with the govt but always violated these. There had been no Recent jirga by Nazeer and Gul Bahadur rather there was one from Mehsud elders assuring the political agent provided if NO military operation is launched.

Jana, have you been to Waziristan if so, go to Miram Shah, and you will kindly see both Paksitan army and Taliban units together in peace, doesnt this tell you something. Secondly, Pakistan seems to be avoiding operation in North Waziristan, since its assets may be harmed.[/QUOTE

yes i had been even at a time when people avoid to go there. They are own people so holding talks with them is not a bad thing neither forbidden.

We can not just blindly fire at them. As far as operation in NW is concerned as far as i know and have seen the fighters have more preparations than the army and they even have solid bunkers so stretching army at this point is tantamount to harming our ownselves instead of harming the militants.


Above all as soon as we announce launching an operation, the militants will cross over to Afghanistan just like TTP did. So no assets at the moment.




lolzz as long as Americans feed you directly then its ok but its wrong if your neighbour is getting the pie. Quite natural. for me its you who is spreading false propaganda and for you it will be me.
As they say your terrorist is my hero and my terrorist is your hero.

I am not some emotional goon so try next time

Exactly, You claim to have been to Waziristan at the time when there was no war, but have you been recently? I guess not so who gives you the right to insult me and question what i have seen.

How is America feeding me? Silly girl, America is feeding your Army not me.

Try what next time? are you paid by ISPR to spread disinformation?

If Mullah Nazeer and Gul Badahur were not Pro Pakistani as you claim, then why did they break the Mujahideen treaty that was made before the Operation that whenever they get into trouble they stick together, why did Mullah Nazeer and Gul badahur join hands with The Pakistan Army.

Also, take a look at this article, if Taliban were anti Pakistan, as you claim, then why did they join hands with Pakistan Army if india or America attacked.

Army official calls Baitullah Mehsud, Fazlullah ‘patriots’

By Hamid Mir

ISLAMABAD: All main militant groups fighting in Fata, from South Waziristan to Bajaur and from Mohmand to the Khyber Agency, have contacted the government through different sources after the Mumbai bombings and have offered a ceasefire if the Pakistan Army also stops its operations.

And as a positive sign that this ceasefire offer may be accepted, the Pakistan Army has, as a first step, declared before the media some notorious militant commanders, including Baitullah Mehsud and Maulvi Fazlullah, as “patriotic” Pakistanis.

These two militant commanders are fighting the Army for the last four years and have invariably been accused of terrorism against Pakistan but the aftermath of the Mumbai carnage has suddenly turned terrorists into patriots.

A top security official told a group of senior journalists on Saturday: “We have no big issues with the militants in Fata. We have only some misunderstandings with Baitullah Mehsud and Fazlullah. These misunderstandings could be removed through dialogue.”

The Indian allegations against Pakistan have suddenly forced the military establishment in Pakistan to finally accept that they are not fighting an American war inside the Pakistani territory.

On another level, the parliamentary leader of the 12 Fata members in the National Assembly, Munir Orakzai, has expressed optimism in this regard, saying: “I see a bright ray of peace in the tribal areas and if we come out of the American pressure, I can guarantee that there will be peace in the tribal areas in a few days and we will be ready to fight against India on the eastern border along with the Pakistan Army.”

The change in the attitude of the Pakistani military establishment is remarkable. Thanks to India, the security officials, who used to criticise the Pakistani media, are now praising its role in the recent days, saying: “You have proven that you are patriotic Pakistanis.”

Last year, the same officials were part of a decision to impose a ban on many Pakistani TV channels because of their alleged anti-state behaviour. Meanwhile, Army Chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani has made it clear to President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani that if India escalates tensions, then Pakistan has to move its troops from the tribal areas to the eastern borders and it would not be possible to continue the war against terrorism.

Top military officials conveyed the same message to the media representatives on Saturday. It was learnt that Washington and London were very concerned over the rise of tension between the two nuclear powers.

The Pakistan Army officials have been describing 48 hours as very important. These sources claimed on Sunday that the situation was now stabilising. A very responsible government official in Islamabad told this scribe on Sunday that nothing would happen in the next 24 hours. Some late night telephone calls made from Washington and London helped to cool down the temperature in New Delhi and Islamabad.

Despite the assurances made by President Asif Zardari on sending a director of ISI to India for helping the Mumbai carnage investigations, it has also been decided by Islamabad that no ISI official will visit India, at least, in the next one week.

On the domestic level, thanks to the uncalled for Indian allegations, some ministers of the Yousuf Raza Gilani cabinet got an opportunity to criticise their prime minister on his face for giving an assurance to India that the ISI chief will go to New Delhi without consulting even his cabinet colleagues.

Angry ministers told Gilani clearly in Saturday’s cabinet meeting that his decision was not good and he should concentrate on “institutionalised decision-making” rather than going for solo flights in the future. Gilani was forced to change his decision. The cabinet, after discussing the Mumbai carnage and the Indian allegations in detail, also advised the prime minister that no ISI official should be sent to India in the near future.

It was discussed in the meeting as to why the militants made a ridiculous demand of liberating the Hyderabad Deccan (Andhra Pradesh). This issue was never raised by any hardline Muslim militant in India or Pakistan in the past. Why did they not demand the liberation of Kashmir, which was the prime objective of banned Lashkar-e-Taiba in Pakistan?

The Indian government claimed that these militants reached Gujarat from Karachi by boat through a 500-km sea route. Why did the Indian Navy fail to stop this boat? The cabinet unanimously agreed that Pakistan will not come under any Indian pressure but efforts will also be made to decrease tensions without annoying the public opinion.

One minister was of the view that the Indian media war against Pakistan had helped Islamabad indirectly as the local media ignored all the domestic political issues and got involved in the tension created by India.

National Assembly Speaker Dr Fehmida Mirza was the most disturbed soul in Islamabad because of the media war between India and Pakistan. She talked to some journalists and advised them not to instigate the public opinion against India because this tension could hurt economies of both countries.

She fears a big conspiracy behind the Mumbai tragedy. She thinks that another attack like Mumbai will definitely create a war-like situation between the two neighbours. She is planning to call the Congress leader Sonia Gandhi and Indian President Pratibha Patel to remove doubts and misgivings between the two nations. She told me: “As a mother, I am thinking to make a mothers’ alliance between India and Pakistan. Let the mothers come out and stop their sons from fighting each other.”

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=18709

So why did a Pak army consider these guys as fellow Pakistanis, why all of a sudden Taliban join hands with Pakistan Army so quickly, one may argue that Taliban are anti Pakistan on the grounds of its friendship with America, with this source as evidence, but however, you can not at all say that Taliban hate Pakistan fully and that ISI has no influence over the Taliban even though when it comes to India, both are friends and brothers etc.

Kind Regards

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Watch your language. Any how you are reported.

Jinnah was an Ismaili Kaffir and the founder of P.A.K.I.S, he had a girlfriend who wasnt even a Muslim but a Parsi, what example is he setting here, let alone his lust for pork and whisky, i bet Ruttie will hate me for saying that

Go and report that luffy.

Kind Regards

[Michin Khel]

Jinnah was an Ismaili Kaffir and the founder of P.A.K.I.S, he had a girlfriend who wasnt even a Muslim but a Parsi, what example is he setting here, let alone his lust for pork and whisky, i bet Ruttie will hate me for saying that

Go and report that luffy.

Kind Regards

I reporterd him for his vulgar and abusive langauge not for his approach and point of view.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

I reporterd him for his vulgar and abusive langauge not for his approach and point of view.

You remind me of this Punjabi in University who reported me because i had a beard and long hair, Basically i insulted Jinnah and he told university authorities that iam a dangerous person.

Trust me, you dont want to be seen as a Shimatgar

[Jana]

Jinnah was an Ismaili Kaffir and the founder of P.A.K.I.S, he had a girlfriend who wasnt even a Muslim but a Parsi, what example is he setting here, let alone his lust for pork and whisky, i bet Ruttie will hate me for saying that

Go and report that luffy.

Kind Regards

Such ranting proves that a person spitting gutter level frustration has no logical points to argue.

[Jana]

Halakano da tol hum yaw kas day pa naway naway namoo banday razee aw Pakistan la hamdardaan paida kawee. Us che tareekh da Pakistan da wajood khilaf fatwa werkaray da no mung ba werla se partug jor kro. Swatyano Pukhtano ta da army aw da Pakyan der khe maloom dee. Dasay tol Pukhtano forum kay se khalak pa day duty wee che readers la da impression verkee ganaee che Pukhtano key kho der pa Pakistan ghutt mra dee.

Lolz Uncle tareekh gawah day chee staso pa shantay opportunists hamesha maidan ta hagha wakht raghalay dee chee kala dwee moka leedalay da daa faido.

Ka da Pakistan na way no wass ba taso da rusyano muhtaja waee aw wass hum da zamong ghairat mand pukhtana dee chee amreekay la ye pa posa ka dar karay day.

[Jana]

Lool at Pakiiland being an Islamic nation! Where was your Islamiyat when u raped and killed millions of Bangalis? Where's your Islamiyat regarding ethnic cleansing in Sindh and Balochistan? Where was ur Pakistaniyat when milions of Afghans came as refugees to Pakhtunkhwa but all the money given by US got poured into Punjab? Where was your national unity when people of Pakhtunkhwa were refused entrance in Punjab and Sindh 'cause of which they had to flee to wartorn places like Khost, Kunar, Helmand, etc? Even Karzai was more human than you Pakii wahshis who probably hasn't done anything for its own people but provided those people food and clothing! Once when Afghanistan was stable all of u Pakii dogs were shouting for unity but as soon as Afghanistan got in war u dumbf**ks think being with Pakiiland actually saved u from war while it were Punjapai haramis who fuelled the war in Afghanistan! F**king shame on every single one of u who defends Pakii interference with our motherland Afghanistan and tuff lahnat on every single one of u! And this coming from someone from Pakhtunkhwa!

You sound like a Bhindi . oh yeh bhindistan getting

[Shayesta]

Ka da Pakistan na way no wass ba taso da rusyano muhtaja waee

Really? Russia also occupied Tajikistan, now is Tajikistan dependent on Russia and do they speak Russian? Russia also occupied Uzbekistan, now is Uzbekistan also dependent on Russia and speak Russian? And there are many more countries which were occupied by Russia but yet they are much better off than Afghanistan and in much better state than us, then how come despite of your holy land Pakistan having 'helped' us against Russia still we are worse off? How come miss Pakistaniyat?

aw wass hum da zamong ghairat mand pukhtana dee chee amreekay la ye pa posa ka dar karay day.

LOL, ghairatmand? What ghairat my dear? When you took birth from India's womb then it was USA who fed you with Dollars, where was your ghairat back then to refuse their money? Now when Taliban backfired you, you actually realised we are Muslims and USA is the actual 'kuffar'? Keep your ghairat in your pocket because this very same ghairat of yours is already destroying you and it will so in the future. Pakistanian aw ghairat...........

[Farhan88]

You sound like a Bhindi . oh yeh bhindistan getting

India getting what, ha? One of largest democratic states? Biggest economic succes? Laughing at u Pakistanis for bombing yourselves? Or pity u despite u tried so hard to take other part on Kashmir, its actually u fearing to lose Balochistan?.


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[Jana]

Exactly, You claim to have been to Waziristan at the time when there was no war, but have you been recently? I guess not so who gives you the right to insult me and question what i have seen.

Read my post again with open eyes. I said i visit at a time when many avoid to visit the area means rarely few dare to visit when war is going on and i am one of these few.

How is America feeding me? Silly girl, America is feeding your Army not me.

First you tell me who you are representing ??? then i will reply your post in details

Try what next time? are you paid by ISPR to spread disinformation?

Are you paid by India to spread disinformation ???

As far as i am concerned i dont need any payment to correct the disinformation anyone is spreading about my country.

If Mullah Nazeer and Gul Badahur were not Pro Pakistani as you claim, then why did they break the Mujahideen treaty that was made before the Operation that whenever they get into trouble they stick together, why did Mullah Nazeer and Gul badahur join hands with The Pakistan Army.

We are one against common enemy i.e US and other invaders in Afghanistan. Simple as that.

Also, take a look at this article, if Taliban were anti Pakistan, as you claim, then why did they join hands with Pakistan Army if india or America attacked.why all of a sudden Taliban join hands with Pakistan Army so quickly, one may argue that Taliban are anti Pakistan on the grounds of its friendship with America, with this source as evidence,

TTP, Hakimullah, Baitullah etc's such statements are mere media stunt to gain attention and to force army for delaying the operation. Other than that nothing concrete have been shown and proven by TTP so far.

So why did a Pak army consider these guys as fellow Pakistanis,

What do you mean why ?? Indeed they are fellow Pakistanis and will remain so. Though their ways and actions are harming our people but that does not mean they can be deprived of their right to be native of this country.

but however, you can not at all say that Taliban hate Pakistan fully and that ISI has no influence over the Taliban even though when it comes to India, both are friends and brothers etc.

Agree and there is nothing wrong. Intelligence agencies around the world do maintain their links with such elements and nothing wrong or surprising in it. Its what all the agencies are for.

Agencies are not some charity organisations which functions on emotionalism.

[Jana]

India getting what, ha? One of largest democratic states? Biggest economic succes?

mmm and still you failed to feed millions of poor giving bharat a chance to top the poverty list in the world.

Your demoncrazy failed to save thousands of Muslims burnt alive by your Hindu terrorists in Gujrat. Hundreds of Christians burnt alive by hindu terrorists in Orissa. Not to forget Golden temple massacre of 5000 Sikhs

Laughing at u Pakiis for bombing yourselves?

India is the only country in the world which had used bombs and airpower against its own people in Mezoram so uncle go first read your history before pointing fingers at others.

Or pity u despite u tried so hard to take other part on Kashmir, its actually u fearing to lose Balochistan? Its your beloved Napakistan which is being f**ked, not India my child. Go and save your ass from your own government now.

Maoists are already grilling your donkas in North East and more than half of your states. Uncle you should take care of your own donkas. We have already saved ours.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Listen Jana, defending Pakistan's dualistic and ambiguous Afghan/Pashtun policy is ridiculous. Especially if you claim the moral high-ground and say that there was never anything wrong with it. In the end, it's undeniable that Pakistan's foreign policy goals (which till today remain unfulfilled) resulted in the death and suffering of million of Pashtuns.

LOL, ghairatmand? What ghairat my dear? When you took birth from India's womb then it was USA who fed you with Dollars, where was your ghairat back then to refuse their money? Now when Taliban backfired you, you actually realised we are Muslims and USA is the actual 'kuffar'? Keep your ghairat in your pocket because this very same ghairat of yours is already destroying you and it will so in the future. Pakistanian aw ghairat...........

^Quoted for truth.