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  • #31
    Corrupt and impotent Pakistan army

    Source: Guardian.co.uk

    No institution dominates Pakistan like its army. The armed forces account for 20% of Pakistan's national budget, totalling $5bn last year according to official statistics. But the actual figure, already staggering for a country with high levels of illiteracy and malnutrition, is likely to be much higher.

    The army has been practically unaccountable since the very foundation of the country – last year's figures were the first it has publicly released since 1965.

    Those aren't the only imposing figures. It has some 650,000 active soldiers and another half million in reserve, and internal discipline – strict loyalty to the high command among the rank and file – is very high.

    Every one of Pakistan's democratically-elected civilian leaders has been forced to abdicate by the army. A general has directly ruled the country for 34 of its 62 years of existence.

    With this vice-like grip on power, many are wondering how a rural insurgency armed with basic weapons has managed to overrun so much of the country. The answers have much to do with the Pakistan army itself.

    Part of the problem is that the army is equipped for a conventional war against its historical adversary to the east, India, and not the type of insurgency being waged by the Taliban on the frontier to the west. Its operations in the tribal areas have been imprecise, leading to the destruction of many thousands of civilian lives and livelihood. Up to a million are believed to have been displaced by the conflict.

    "Collateral damage always strengthens the Taliban, it helps them get more public support," says Abdul Hakim (not his real name), a journalist from Dir, a tribal agency, next to the Swat valley, in which the Taliban are slowly moving.

    But there have been only limited, poorly-coordinated attempts to re-engage with communities devastated by armed operations against the Taliban. As a result the Army and government authorities have sheepishly ended up signing peace deals with the Taliban over the past four years. They have all consistently broken down, the Taliban using the lull in hostilities to regroup and rearm.

    The most recent peace deal, over the Swat valley, is on the verge of collapse owing to continued Taliban operations in neighbouring areas.

    There are lingering doubts about the Army's resolve to combat the Taliban too, as has been suggested when it initially sent up a lightly armed squad of paramilitaries to fight the Taliban in the Buner valley, just below Swat, even though the region is close to the nation's capital.

    Another factor is the fact that many of the army's soldiers involved in operations are Pashtun like the Taliban. This has left the high command nervous about tackling the insurgents head-on for fear of causing rifts within the ranks. Although far from a mutiny, many soldiers have refused to fight their fellow tribesman or have surrendered and deserted.

    But that has not prevented the army from engaging in operations that have been highly destabilising for tribal Pashtun communities in the affected areas. People fleeing the conflict in Swat and Bajaur, a tribal agency to the west on the border with Afghanistna, told me they felt that the army was, in fact, targeting them and not the Taliban. Some argued this was because the army feared Taliban reprisals. Others insisted they were being targeted because of their support for the Pashtun nationalist Awami National party, which runs the North West Frontier province government.

    The truth of rumours such as these, common in Pakistan, are difficult to quantify. But one need not look to rumours to understand why the Pakistan army has failed to defeat the Taliban.

    The army has a long history of strategic incompetence stretching back to the very first war the country fought with India in 1948. On that occasion, tribal militants from the regions now in open insurrection against Pakistan flooded into Indian-controlled Kashmir. After overwhelming Indian soldiers there, they promptly went on a binge of rape and looting while the army looked on.

    Again at war with India, in 1965, the better-equipped Pakistan army lost more ground, and tanks, than its adversary. But perhaps the army's darkest moment was the 1971 war that lead to the creation of Bangladesh. That conflict saw Pakistan troops involved in widespread acts of extermination against the indigenous Bengali population of what was, at the time, known as East Pakistan.

    The Hamoodur Rahman Commission held in Pakistan following that war found large swathes of the high command to be deeply negligent – the commander of Pakistani forces in East Pakistan, the report revealed, was involved in sexual misconduct even as his troops were killing, and being killed, on the battlefield.

    In 1999, an ambitious Pakistani general by the name of Pervez Musharraf devised the tactically brilliant, but strategically near-suicidal, plan to invade Kargil, an Indian mountain post in Kashmir. That gamble nearly led to nuclear war, and almost certainly led to a military coup later that year.

    How does one explain these failures? There can be no one explanation. But if there is an overriding message from these debacles, it is that the army is ill-equipped to defend the state because it has captured much of the bedrock of the state to which it is totally unaccountable.

    According to Ayesha Siddiqua, in her seminal study, "Military Inc", the army's private business assets are worth around £10bn and it owns a handsome share of the country's business and land. The generals, as a result, appear to be more interested in leveraging control over businesses, properties and politics.

    Yet, the army's power is such that although Pakistan's private media have a commendable record of criticising the country's civilian politicians, criticism of the men in uniform is rare – save during periods of crisis under direct military rule, like the dismissal of the chief justice in 2007.

    It would be unfair, however, to criticise the army without acknowledging the pivotal role played by its greatest patrons – the United States, and, to a lesser extent, China. Since the 1950s, both countries have lavished military and political support on the Pakistan army.

    "Nobody has occupied the White House who is friendlier to Pakistan than me," is what US President Richard Nixon told Pakistan's then military dictator, Yahya Khan, at a 1970 dinner in Washington, on the eve of the murderous war in East Pakistan. More recently, former President George Bush's praise for Pervez Musharraf has become the stuff of folklore.

    The army has been rewarded by its foreign patrons despite its incompetence and unaccountability. In the process, civilian political life has been grotesquely stunted, leading the democratic process to be replaced by a crude kleptocracy where non-military leaders represent personal dynasties and not the people.

    Is it any wonder, then, that the army struggles to find a concerted strategy for defeating the Taliban?
    Pir Rokhan

    http://Pashtoonkhwa.blogspot.com

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    • #32
      Hopelessness in Pakistan
      by Agha Amin [ex army Officer]

      The Pakistani establishments pathetic state is that no secretary had the guts to tell army chief to learn manners and come to secretariat and went like meek mice to army HQ.The ministry of defence in pakistan is non existent and minister of defence remaisn the shoe maker that he was.Foreign minister has no control on major part of foreign policy.Human personality according to Sigmund Freud is a compromise between individual and society.It appears that pakistans most corrupt state is driving the pakistani common man to the breaking point. The pakistani common man has three choices left,all terrible choices:--

      1-live a life of frustration,deprivation and degradation while pakistans elites civil and military enjoys life and breaks all laws.

      2-Commit suicide.

      3-Or rise and revolt and destroy the present system.This is the kinetic energy solution.Drive the lesson home with the kinetic energy of the 7.62 mm bullet.

      The Essential Issue of Coercive Force

      Philosophers have long agreed that man is a beast at heart and he is kept in control by coercive organs of the state i.e the army and the police etc. In Pakistan the coercive organs of the state are fast losing their value and have been successfully cgallenged in Balochistan and FATA.The Pakistani militarys success in both areas is doubtful whatever claims they make. The Pakistani judiciary has failed to rein in the corrupt politicians. The Pakistani media despite all claims of being bold has failed to drive fear into the highly corrupt Pakistani politicians.

      The last attempt

      The last attempt at some stage may be a semi military coup with judiciary and military in combination or at worst a martial law.There seems no great man in sight who will bring the great and bloody change in Pakistan. Pakistanis are breakenn from inisde.Driven into animal despair by inflation,unemployment and deprivation.The elite speeds up in cruisers and young men on bikes subjected to police and military harassment. Every minute potential killers and psycopaths and suicide bombers are being created but no one is bothered. Pakistan needs a Khomeini from inside or an enemy like Halaku Khan who will destroy it totally.Both dont appear in sight. The result would be a long agony for Pakistans common man .Hunger,degradation,helplessness and desperation till he becomes deperate enough to do battle with the whole heavens.
      Last edited by pir_Rokhan; 06-14-2010, 07:13 AM.
      Pir Rokhan

      http://Pashtoonkhwa.blogspot.com

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      • #33
        The Political role of Military in Pakistan
        by Pukhtoon Khan

        It is mind boggling to know that most of the time the most revered persons,tombs,concepts,books,places, and institutions have been used for the exploitation of masses on mass level in the third world countries.e.g the names or tombs of religious saints have been the biggest source of income for their descendents or believers,the concept of determinism has been making it easy for the kings and monarchs to rule the fate- struck masses of the east,the holy places worldwide have been used to attract masses to invest their money in search of peace of mind or fulfillment of their wishful prayers,the dissemination and propagation of sectarian religious books have been serving the purpose of bringing out the worst in humanity and compelling them to fall prey to the commercial trap of their propagators at the same time similarly the institutions of Pakistan military is using India phobia to get a lion's share in the budget of Pakistan.

        In Pakistan almost all the institutions necessary for the proper functioning of the state have been jeopardised so it is necessary to crack the code of the virus which is responsible for their mal-functioning rather dys-functioning of this failed state.To the surprise of the state-indoctrinated and suffering masses of Pakistan and the mislead portfolio-holders of Pentagon in the United Sates, that virus which is resident in the roots of the Pakistani system is Pakistan Army.The institution of Army and its associated Agencies has been actively involved in grabbing the reigns of power to become a dictatorial,authoritarian and autocratic regime and decide the fate of billions of people of Pakistan.

        Army is considered as a sacred cow in Pakistan by its ex-worshiper Punjabi majority. It is blasphemous to utter even a single word against the immoral and terrorising activities of Pakistan army and its associated agencies like ISI ,MI and IB because the main argument of all military and dictatorial regimes, to justify their illegitimate tenures and refute any criticism, has always been the misuse of the ambiguous phrase “Everything we do is in the national interest of Pakistan”.

        Let us have a quick look at the charge sheet against this organised and revered institution which has been technically competent for being financially and politically corrupt, desperate and determined to kill anyone who can raise a voice against their atrocities and injustices and ever ready to squeeze major chunk of the budget of a third world country like Pakistan to quench its thirst for power.

        The power-grabbing strategy of Pakistan military works as follows:

        1) The Punjabi-majority army shows its allegiance and loyalty against all known human standards of self respect and national interest to the United States alleging the politicians to be immature to handle nukes responsibly.

        2) After the official acknowledgement from the Whitehouse, it then exaggerates the US concerns in the region and offers its services to help achieve US national interests in the region.

        3) Depending on the political scenario and circumstances the military awaits the green signal from the Whitehouse to grab the reigns of power till the sanction is granted by the decision makers in the Pentagon.

        4) Based on the assurances of the Whitehouse Army uses Intelligence agencies to exploit any mistake or weak point to topple the government.

        5) Once the army comes into power it faces the question of legitimacy to face the free world and world media.

        6) It easily gets legitimacy from the Judiciary by offering incentives to those who long for it while use force and tactics of extortion, pressure ,threats and sacking to the resilient ones.

        7) After getting legitimacy it gives a fake and imaginary vision to the masses win give a catharsis to the latent hatred and rebellion of the masses against the system and benefactors.

        8) To suppress and divide the masses and keep their attention diverted from the real cause of unrest, the common dirty job all military regimes do in Pakistan is the fabrication of ethnic and religious terrorist organisations.

        9) Over a period of time , the tenure of the regime due to its incompetence, misuse of power ,wrong and unpopular policies culminates in the destruction of institutions followed by corruption and misappropriation which in turn gives birth to injustice and hence unrest in the masses. Then with the help of ISI and other agencies, Army fabricates a king’s party and holds an engineered election to bring them into power by buying their vote and promising incentives and power sharing in the future.

        10) Due to the appointment of fake political figures and titular representatives in the king’s party the government is unable to deliver due to which the masses gets agitated once again and the agencies comes into action once again on the directive of the high-ups in Army to find out alternative plan to keep the reigns of power in military hands.

        Let me quote two shameful examples briefly:

        a) The first example from the black history of Pakistan was the emergence of General Zia-ul- Haq ,who offered the services of Pakistan army and agencies to defeat Russia and contain it to Afghanistan in the name of religion, propagated religion to win the sympathies of masses, fabricated Sipay Sahaba and Sipah Mohammad to polarise the society on sectarian basis ,established and encouraged MQM - the largest ethnic terrorist network in the history of Pakistan, formed IJI , killed or imprisoned all those who raised a voice against his dictatorship, used and projected religious demagogues who justified his regime.

        b) The second example is the current dark and dictatorial military regime of Pervez Mushharaf,who toppled the democratic government of Nawaz Sharif ,exploited the new slogan of ‘Pakistan first’ and accountability ,offered the services of army to kill Taliban and Al-Qaeda - both of whom were harbored , trained ,financed and encouraged by ISI in different cities of Punjab, fabricated PML-Q as the king’s party and bought the votes of religious parties to further strengthen his regime.

        In the conclusion let me quote France based Syed Jamaluddin who was forced to leave Pakistan after military coup of General Pervez Musharraf in 1999.He has elaborated the role of Army and ISI in Pakistan in his book "Divide Pakistan to eliminate terrorism" published in 2006 about the issues related to terrorism and Pakistan. He writes:

        [“Pakistan is the central headquarters of all terrorist activities under the authoritative command of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) an organ of Pakistan Army who have been sheltering ethnic and religious terrorists organizations in the country through military as well as financial support”]

        Putting light on the pro-Punjab policies of ISI regarding using Taliban against small provinces he writes:

        [“Inter Services Intelligence Agency (ISI) is the real government in Pakistan. It is part of the ISI’s well-established policy to organize violent pro-Taliban protest demonstrations against the United States in the provinces of Sindh, Balochistan and NWFP (North West Frontier Province) and keep the province of Punjab away from these demonstrations and strikes”]

        Regarding patronising the fanatic, extremist and even terrorist groups against US and sacrificing the innocent people of minority provinces at the altar of military he writes:

        [“The United States and international community assured the Pakistani rulers that if they extend co-operation to United States and international community in the war against terrorism, Pakistan would get the legitimate fruits of such co-operation. After these assurances of the International Community the ISI conspired to activate the religious and so-called Jihadi groups on their payroll to use the provinces of Sindh, Balochistan and NWFP (North-West Frontier Province) provinces as their battleground against United States and International Community. This conspiracy to use the minority provinces was aimed to give the United States of America and the International Community a completely wrong impression that people living in these provinces are against USA while the real situation is totally different.”]

        Highlighting the double game played by Pakistan Army to depict a wrong picture of the smaller provinces on one side and deceiving the world community on the other , he goes on to tell us about the real safe haven to harbor terrorism in Pakistan:

        [“Pakistan Army through its terrorism network called ISI has made an attempt to tarnish the image of small provinces of present Pakistan on one hand and on the other to deceive USA and the International Community. It is a bitter truth that the province of Punjab is the hub of all the fanatical and so-called Jihadi groups and the Headquarters of all the fanatical and extremists groups are situated in different cities of the province of Punjab like Lahore, Multan, Jhang, Faisalabad and Nankana. The ISI’s “game” to deceive the United States and international community would not last long and this act of deception would reach to its logical conclusion. When that happens the world would know who actually benefited by deceiving others and who lost, whereas who was deceived by whom and who was hoodwinked.”]
        Last edited by pir_Rokhan; 06-14-2010, 06:43 AM.
        Pir Rokhan

        http://Pashtoonkhwa.blogspot.com

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        • #34
          Originally posted by SwatiTheBrave1 View Post
          Whether we Pakistani Pashtun feel 'conquered' or not is for us to decide, not for an outsider to rant about.

          One cannot be 'conquered' by a nation when one is part of the nation.

          The problem is that too many non-Pakistani Pashtun cannot get beyond ethnic identity politics, whereas in Pakistan, where ethnic identity politics exists as well, Pakistaniat has become an integral part of the identity-matrix of every ethnic group in the country.
          So the collective punishment act and the FCR comes part of the Pakistaniyat package?

          Who is we? the jawans in your Army barracks led by a Punjabi Chaundry Officer?

          Iam from Waziristan buddy, I know for a fact, nobody follows your Pakistaniyat there, I truely doubt in their hearts those IDPS from Swat dont follow your Pakistaniyat, unless they have a gain such as you.

          Also i find it funny how you say, Outsiders rant about, you spend most of your time insulting us on Pakistan Defence Forum to Outsiders such as Punjabis and other sons of British Raja Sikhs turned Muslims lol!


          Kind Regards

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          • #35
            Maseed jaana the irony of the guy's post is that Pashtuns east of the durand line have very little relations with the other ethnic groups of Pakistan. It is a lot less than the case in Afghanistan, where by and large there is some cohesion. It is near zero in Pakistan. I don't know where he heard of these fantasies of pakistaniyath, but Pashtuns have little if no connections with people east of the indus.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by BLS_1919v2.0 View Post
              Maseed jaana the irony of the guy's post is that Pashtuns east of the durand line have very little relations with the other ethnic groups of Pakistan. It is a lot less than the case in Afghanistan, where by and large there is some cohesion. It is near zero in Pakistan. I don't know where he heard of these fantasies of pakistaniyath, but Pashtuns have little if no connections with people east of the indus.
              Maybe he should go into a MQM dominated Neighbourhood in Karachi and ask them what they think of Pashtuns, they being the original Indian Mojjahir just like Jinnah and the whole Pakistan into being, was for this groups intend, lets see how they will treat him, I dare him to Speak Pushto infront of them hahaha.

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              • #37
                Halakano da tol hum yaw kas day pa naway naway namoo banday razee aw Pakistan la hamdardaan paida kawee. Us che tareekh da Pakistan da wajood khilaf fatwa werkaray da no mung ba werla se partug jor kro. Swatyano Pukhtano ta da army aw da Pakyan der khe maloom dee. Dasay tol Pukhtano forum kay se khalak pa day duty wee che readers la da impression verkee ganaee che Pukhtano key kho der pa Pakistan ghutt mra dee.
                Pir Rokhan

                http://Pashtoonkhwa.blogspot.com

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Niazi View Post
                  Oh Babor claim ancestry from Kandahar how interesting,btw I hate that babor he killed more Afghan then Russain.
                  Actually naseerullah babar is pashtun from DIKhan, an Interesting fact and point to ponder.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by shlombay
                    Pakistan looks at Afghanistan as its biggest enemy.
                    Wrong
                    It is india.
                    I will say both india and pakistan are obssessed with each other, afghanistan is one of the stage ground for their fights.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Luffy View Post
                      Wrong
                      It is india.
                      I will say both india and pakistan are obssessed with each other, afghanistan is one of the stage ground for their fights.
                      Dear Luffy

                      Kashmir is the stage ground for their fights, Afghanistan is just a place where Originally Pakistan army planned to mobilize its troops from an attack from India.

                      Kind Regards

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by StrategistMaseed View Post
                        Ive seen with my own eyes in North Waziristan, Taliban drinking Tea with Pakistan Army soldiers in Miram Shah Market. Why doesnt the media ask the people of Waziristan and they will all tell you the same thing, that Taliban and Pakistan Army are one, even Haqqanis taliban faction is very open with the Pakistan Army.

                        Without Pakistan, Taliban will have absolutely no resources nor freedom to operate and move.

                        Kind Regards
                        After reading your biased posts i can not trust your own eyes

                        On a serious note Haqqani group and Nazir, Gul Bahadur and Co have been sheltering TTP terrorists against Pakistan.

                        Though earlier they were pro but in between they always been munafiqs just like all those from both from Pakistan and Afghanistan.


                        Its another matter that army is still observing calm in opening another front in Waziristan despite the fact that these men have been supporting and sheltering anti-Pakistan elements recently.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by StrategistMaseed View Post
                          So the collective punishment act and the FCR comes part of the Pakistaniyat package?
                          Yeh when Britishers imposed it on our qabail then Pakistan was on the map of the world right

                          Who is we? the jawans in your Army barracks led by a Punjabi Chaundry Officer?
                          You need some thorough knowledge to know how many Pashtuns are on top slots in Pakistan Army and how much is their percentage which is quite good followed by another province of our country.



                          I truely doubt in their hearts those IDPS from Swat dont follow your Pakistaniyat, unless they have a gain such as you.
                          We have seen people like you who are observing ethnic biased against Swatis saying they are not qabail (tribesmen) so i dont think so such claims can be uttered on their behalf.

                          Al to Outsiders such as Punjabis and other sons of British Raja Sikhs turned Muslims lol!


                          Kind Regards
                          I dont know if you consider yourself Muslim or otherwise but we understand one thing that once you become a Muslim you are part of the brotherhood irrespective of what was your cast, creed or faith earlier.


                          Seems you are having some personal grudge anyway. We very much follow Pakistaniyat despite being Pashtuns. For we know that if anyone attacked us atleast YOU and your masters wont allow us to enter

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Jana View Post
                            After reading your biased posts i can not trust your own eyes

                            On a serious note Haqqani group and Nazir, Gul Bahadur and Co have been sheltering TTP terrorists against Pakistan.

                            Though earlier they were pro but in between they always been munafiqs just like all those from both from Pakistan and Afghanistan.


                            Its another matter that army is still observing calm in opening another front in Waziristan despite the fact that these men have been supporting and sheltering anti-Pakistan elements recently.
                            I would disagree there with you.

                            They have not been sheltering Anti Pakistan Militants, which can clearly seen in 2007, when Mullah Nazeers group kicked out Anti Pakistan Uzbek Militant group. Recently a tribal jirga consisting of both Mullah Nazeer and Gul badahar have confirmed that they will boot out any Anti state element from South/North Waziristan, which can be seen last week, when 400 Tribal elders of the Wazir tribe assured the Pakistan army and government that it will make sure Mahsuds will not pass on their land.

                            Jana, have you been to Waziristan if so, go to Miram Shah, and you will kindly see both Paksitan army and Taliban units together in peace, doesnt this tell you something. Secondly, Pakistan seems to be avoiding operation in North Waziristan, since its assets may be harmed.

                            Also you say they are Monafiqeen? yet will thier creator being Pakistan be a bigger Monafiqeen?

                            How is my posts biased? Ive been to Waziristan myself, Have you been to Waziristan, or you just another one of those Pak Defence Members coming on here spreading False Propaghanda in favor of your American fed Pak fauge.

                            Kind Regards

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Jana View Post
                              Yeh when Britishers imposed it on our qabail then Pakistan was on the map of the world right



                              You need some thorough knowledge to know how many Pashtuns are on top slots in Pakistan Army and how much is their percentage which is quite good followed by another province of our country.





                              We have seen people like you who are observing ethnic biased against Swatis saying they are not qabail (tribesmen) so i dont think so such claims can be uttered on their behalf.



                              I dont know if you consider yourself Muslim or otherwise but we understand one thing that once you become a Muslim you are part of the brotherhood irrespective of what was your cast, creed or faith earlier.


                              Seems you are having some personal grudge anyway. We very much follow Pakistaniyat despite being Pashtuns. For we know that if anyone attacked us atleast YOU and your masters wont allow us to enter

                              Can you tell us where is the Shariat laws in Pakistan>

                              Who is my masters? Nobody is my master, And its funny how you are dividing Swatis and Tribal People, if you didnt know, all pashtuns are tribesmen thats why we are in Tribes.

                              Secondly in a Islamic context, can a Ismaili Kaffir who drank whisky and ate pork be allowed to establish an Islamic state where the laws are former colonial of the British Rajs?

                              I speak on behalf of majority of Tribal People, not sons of Pak officers.

                              Kind Regards

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by StrategistMaseed View Post
                                Can you tell us where is the Shariat laws in Pakistan>
                                Shariat laws are not some joke which could be imposed for shariat laws there must be a welfare society which is not found btw in any Muslim country.


                                And BTW how come your out of the blue comment about Sharia Laws is related to this discussion ?



                                Who is my masters? Nobody is my master, And its funny how you are dividing Swatis and Tribal People, if you didnt know, all pashtuns are tribesmen thats why we are in Tribes.
                                I am not at all dividing anyone being Pashtun i dont see any difference between a Swati and tribesmen FATA we all are just one nation under one country and beyond that.



                                Secondly in a Islamic context, can a Ismaili Kaffir who drank whisky and ate pork be allowed to establish an Islamic state where the laws are former colonial of the British Rajs?
                                The man who created Pakistan never claimed that self-styled Sharia laws of Taliban mixed with local culture will be implemented here.

                                And you need to ask Tribesmen about British Raj laws aka FCR i had been involved in debates with them when the government was thinking to change. The tribesmen themselves are divided over the issue.


                                I speak on behalf of majority of Tribal People, not sons of Pak officers.

                                Kind Regards
                                Sorry you can not speak on my behalf.

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