Pakistan's ISI intelligence agency 'supports' Taliban

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Ive seen with my own eyes in North Waziristan, Taliban drinking Tea with Pakistan Army soldiers in Miram Shah Market. Why doesnt the media ask the people of Waziristan and they will all tell you the same thing, that Taliban and Pakistan Army are one, even Haqqanis taliban faction is very open with the Pakistan Army.

Without Pakistan, Taliban will have absolutely no resources nor freedom to operate and move.

Kind Regards

[Niazi]

There's no side in Afghanistan who's not sold out ,that's why I always say disintegration is the answer ,let them join thier overlords and stop the suffering of innocences.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Ive seen with my own eyes in North Waziristan, Taliban drinking Tea with Pakistan Army soldiers in Miram Shah Market. Why doesnt the media ask the people of Waziristan and they will all tell you the same thing, that Taliban and Pakistan Army are one, even Haqqanis taliban faction is very open with the Pakistan Army.

Without Pakistan, Taliban will have absolutely no resources nor freedom to operate and move.

Kind Regards

That's the thing though, isn't it? The Taliban are Pakistan's proxies who would ensure Pakistani hegemony in Afghanistan after the eventual NATO withdrawal. The Mehsud element has been, from what it seems, influenced by India to bite its master's hand. In response, the Pakistani-backed Afghan Taliban launched multiple attacks on Indian diplomatic establishments in Afghanistan. In response to the Mehsuds, the Pakistani Army, as AI's and other reports suggest, has been flattening everything in South Waziristan. At the end of the day, the real and only losers are Pashtuns.

[tor_khan]

That's the thing though, isn't it? The Taliban are Pakistan's proxies who would ensure Pakistani hegemony in Afghanistan after the eventual NATO withdrawal. The Mehsud element has been, from what it seems, influenced by India to bite its master's hand. In response, the Pakistani-backed Afghan Taliban launched multiple attacks on Indian diplomatic establishments in Afghanistan. In response to the Mehsuds, the Pakistani Army, as AI's and other reports suggest, has been flattening everything in South Waziristan. At the end of the day, the real and only losers are Pashtuns.

And what of Pakistan? What are the checks and balances?

Is there anyone out there that is prepared to say/tell/guide/knock sense into the powers that be?

[Musafira]

[SwatiTheBrave1]

ISI is a Pashtun dominated agency, read about them on history commons and also a recent article by Eric Margolas which speaks of high representation of Pashtuns in ISI.

ISI, many of whose officers are Pashtun, has every right to warn Pakistani citizens of impending US air attacks that kill large numbers of civilians. But ISI also has another vital mission. Preventing Pakistan's Pashtun, 15-20% of the population of 165 million, from rekindling the old `Greater Pashtunistan' movement calling for union of the Pashtun tribes of Pakistan and Afghanistan into a new Pashtun nation. The Pashtun have never recognized the Durand Line(today's Pakistan-Afghan border) drawn by British imperialists to sunder the world's largest tribal people. Greater Pashtunistan would tear apart Pakistan and invite Indian military intervention.

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Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed, director of the Pakistani ISI since October 1999 (see October 12, 1999), is not considered especially religious. However, around this time he begins telling his colleagues that he has become a “born-again Muslim.” While he doesn’t make open gestures such as growing a beard, when US intelligence learns about this talk they find it foreboding and wonder what its impact on the ISI’s relations with the Taliban will be. Perhaps not coincidentally, around this time he begins meeting less frequently with CIA liaisons and becomes less cooperative with the US. [COLL, 2004, PP. 510-511] But if Mahmood becomes a fundamentalist Muslim, that would not be very unique in the ISI. As Slate will write shortly after 9/11, “many in the ISI loathe the United States. They view America as an unreliable and duplicitous ally, being especially resentful of the 1990 sanctions, which came one year after the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan. Furthermore, the ISI is dominated by Pashtuns, the same tribe that is the Taliban’s base of support across the border in Afghanistan. Partly because of its family, clan, and business ties to the Taliban, the ISI, even more than Pakistani society in general, has become increasingly enamored of radical Islam in recent years.”

[MazloomyarMaseed]

ISI is a Pashtun dominated agency, read about them on history commons and also a recent article by Eric Margolas which speaks of high representation of Pashtuns in ISI.



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What an oxy moron, when you mean ISI is dominated by Pashtuns, do you mean Taliban? hahaha, Swatithebrave1 i know your the same Pakistani faujan from Pak Defence forums, nobody who is sane is going to beleive ISI is dominated by majority by Pashtuns, What a stupid and desparate thing to say,

If for instance, out of fantasy, it was dominated by Pashtuns, THEN WHY IS THE HQ IN RAWALPINDI EH??? WHY NOT PESHAWER OR HEY WHY NOT IN SWAT?

Usual Pakistani non sense.

You didnt answer us, why does Pakistan Army make deals with Anti Afghan govt Talibs? why does it release well known terrorists and unleashes hell on Afghanistan?

I bet you will say next that Pakistan army is 99 percent Pashtun. Remmeber during the mughal, there were many traitors in the mughal army and leadership who were Pashtuns, but does it mean they represented all Pashtuns. No Way.

Kind Regards

[MazloomyarMaseed]

ISI is a Pashtun dominated agency, read about them on history commons and also a recent article by Eric Margolas which speaks of high representation of Pashtuns in ISI.



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By the way, Can this website or article provide evidence of the number of pashtuns in the ISI, it find this as false propaghanda to support Pakistans existance.

Swatithebrave1. This is the writer of your false article and cheap propaghanda

Eric Margolis on Iran[/URL]#


Eric Margolis is not a native of Pakhtunkhwa, he is a Westerner, look at the video at how he praises Taliban who funny enough are a product of ISI, look how he speaks of Bin Laden and the Soviet war, this mans a disinformationist.

Swatithebrave1 you could have done better eh.

Please give Eric Margolis a email and ask him where he got this lies about Pashtuns dominating the ISI, or is he refering to the Taliban under the ISI which makes them ISI agents.

Kind Regards

P.S by the way, hes also a Jew as well, as if your going to beleive them eh

"Last time I saw Eric Margolis, the half-Jewish, half-Muslim columnist for the Toronto Sun"

http://ezralevant.com/2009/01/eric-margolis-hamas-not-terror.html

[MazloomyarMaseed]

You see again how he defends those ISI agents who supported Taliban. Can you see the twisted game going on with Pashtuns.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

That's the thing though, isn't it? The Taliban are Pakistan's proxies who would ensure Pakistani hegemony in Afghanistan after the eventual NATO withdrawal. The Mehsud element has been, from what it seems, influenced by India to bite its master's hand. In response, the Pakistani-backed Afghan Taliban launched multiple attacks on Indian diplomatic establishments in Afghanistan. In response to the Mehsuds, the Pakistani Army, as AI's and other reports suggest, has been flattening everything in South Waziristan. At the end of the day, the real and only losers are Pashtuns.

I returned from Waziristan not long ago and i can say India has no influence in the area. If Mahsuds can not return home, how will a Indian enter those regions. We all know Mahsuds, Every Mahsud is connected, we are very close and connected, Mahsud Taliban faction turned its gun on Pakistan because Pakistan starting turning Wazirs on the Mahsuds by blocking roads and putting embargos on the Mahsud areas, Mahsud Taliban faction turned its gun on Pakistan because it realized Pakistan is playing a game when they killed Abdullah Mahsud and favored Baitullah, Baitullah wasnt good enough,so they informed CIA to kill him. etc

Yes I agree, At the end of the day its Pashtuns who suffer.But nobody is lower and more **** than the Pakistan Army.

Kind Regards

[MazloomyarMaseed]

ISI has sold out Pashtuns that work for Punjabi interests.

That is why what happened to Swat will never happen to Lahore.

How have they sold them out?

Pakistan is fooling the west but is secretly protecting Taliban.

ISI has a good control over Taliban.

[Nadir Shah]

ISI is a Pashtun dominated agency, read about them on history commons and also a recent article by Eric Margolas which speaks of high representation of Pashtuns in ISI.



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Malgariya, 99% of the British Army was Indians. Were the Indians free then? Were they not slaves? The Indians conquered Palestine for the British in 1917, were they independent and free?
Just because Pashtuns have a presence in the Army does not mean they get a fair deal. Far from it.

[SwatiTheBrave1]

What an oxy moron, when you mean ISI is dominated by Pashtuns, do you mean Taliban? hahaha, Swatithebrave1 i know your the same Pakistani faujan from Pak Defence forums, nobody who is sane is going to beleive ISI is dominated by majority by Pashtuns, What a stupid and desparate thing to say,

Why is it 'stupid and desperate'? If you have any information or articles contradicting my assertions and what Margolis said then please present them, otherwise your comments have no basis.

Heavy Pashtun influence in the ISI started with the Afghan Jihad against the Soviets and the ISI's heavy involvement in training and supporting the Mujahideen. Most of the Mujahideen leaders supported by the ISI were Pashtun. That continued after the Soviets left as the ISI supported first Hekmetyar, and then the Taliban. Many Western analysts in fact use this point to argue that the ISI cannot be a trustworthy agency because of the heavy Pashtun influence. They use the heavy Pashtun presence in the PA (and the FC Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa) to argue that the PA and FC cannot conduct sustained and successful operations against the Taliban because of the heavy presence of Ethnic Pashtun in the military.

Every two bit analyst and Think Tank in the West uses the heavy Pashtun presence in the Pakistani military to argue against the efficacy of the Pakistani military and intelligence operations, while here you are arguing the opposite because you want to construct a narrative of 'Pashtun victimization' in Pakistan in order to bolster this pipe dream of the FATA and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa separating from Pakistan.

If for instance, out of fantasy, it was dominated by Pashtuns, THEN WHY IS THE HQ IN RAWALPINDI EH??? WHY NOT PESHAWER OR HEY WHY NOT IN SWAT?

Because the Army HQ is in Rawalpindi, and in the process of being moved to the Capital Islamabad.

Usual Pakistani non sense.

Insulting other nations doesn't make your arguments any more valid.

You didnt answer us, why does Pakistan Army make deals with Anti Afghan govt Talibs? why does it release well known terrorists and unleashes hell on Afghanistan?

Pakistan has made deals with various Taliban factions, both Pakistani Taliban and Afghan Taliban, over the years because of the constraints it faces in both a geo-political and resources context. With a hostile India on its Eastern border that has the overwhelming majority of its mechanized and infantry divisions deployed against Pakistan, Pakistan could ill afford to redeploy a significant number of its forces on the Western front. In addition, there was little to no appetite politically or amongst the general Pakistani populace to launch major operations against the Taliban, considered 'our own people'. It was only after the Swat Peace Deal collapsed that Pakistani public opinion started changing towards the Pakistani Taliban.

With the Afghan focused Taliban Pakistan's policy becomes even more complex and tough to negotiate because there is little faith that NATO is going to actually stay the course and finish what it started. The US abandoned Afghanistan after the Soviets were defeated, and then it abandoned Afghanistan again to fight a war in Iraq over non-existent WMD's. Pakistan was in no mood to make enemies of the Afghan Taliban, who would likely regain a significant amount of power in case of a NATO withdrawal. Until Pakistan sees commitment and progress from NATO (or reconciliation from Karzai with the Taliban), North Waziristan and Gul Bahadur and the Haqqanis are likely to remain relatively untouched. In addition there is the constraint I mentioned before of resource restrictions and the inability to move too many troops away from a hostile Indian border and LoC.

I bet you will say next that Pakistan army is 99 percent Pashtun. Remmeber during the mughal, there were many traitors in the mughal army and leadership who were Pashtuns, but does it mean they represented all Pashtuns. No Way.

Kind Regards

I believe Pakistan Army figures put the number of Pashtun in the PA at a little higher than their proportion of the total population.

The participation of Pakistani Pashtun in the military, in academia, in research, in the top posts in the country, does not make them 'traitors' (to whom would they be traitors anyway?), it makes them fully participant and loyal Pakistani citizens, many of whom have offered the ultimate sacrifice for Pakistan, our nation.

[SwatiTheBrave1]

Malgariya, 99% of the British Army was Indians. Were the Indians free then? Were they not slaves? The Indians conquered Palestine for the British in 1917, were they independent and free?
Just because Pashtuns have a presence in the Army does not mean they get a fair deal. Far from it.

Whether we Pakistani Pashtun feel 'conquered' or not is for us to decide, not for an outsider to rant about.

One cannot be 'conquered' by a nation when one is part of the nation.

The problem is that too many non-Pakistani Pashtun cannot get beyond ethnic identity politics, whereas in Pakistan, where ethnic identity politics exists as well, Pakistaniat has become an integral part of the identity-matrix of every ethnic group in the country.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

ISI is not even close to majority pashtun. If it was, then where the hell were these donkeys when Pashtuns were suffering in Afghanistan and Malakand division or FATA? More Pashtuns fought for the Mughals and were a part of the nobility than pakistan, but even today Mughals are considered the historical enemies of Pashtuns. In terms of these so-called pashtuns who worked in ISI against their own, well a donkey can do tawwaaf but the donkey won't become a hajji. Just because they are pashtuns, doesn't mean they cant sell their own out. That is why Malcolm X called such people house negroes, and that is what they are. House negroes, nothingn more nothing less.

P.S. Swati-mr-Pakistani, if you want to ignore this by all means, this is for the others.