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    Analysis by CBS News Afghanistan consultant Jere van Dyk

    (CBS News) Every Afghan village, no matter how isolated, has a radio. And by now every Afghan in the country (and in Pakistan) will know that a U.S. soldier committed mass murder against innocent, unarmed Afghan Pashtun civilians, including women and children.

    How could an American soldier carrying his weapon leave his squad, exit his a fire base alone, with guards all around, and walk into an Afghan village without someone saying something?

    Where were his squad members? Where was his sergeant?

    No American soldier, in my observation, has ever gone anywhere alone in Afghanistan. Always they go with other soldiers on patrol or to a meeting, and at the very least with an interpreter.


    Many Pashtuns, even those high up in the Afghan government, feel that the U.S. is at war with the Pashtuns. The Taliban are Pashtuns. Even today, over a hundred years after the British left, Afghan mothers tell their children to be good or the British will get them. Will they say the same about the U.S.? Is this our legacy?

    There have been many incidents, some of them perhaps accidental - helicopters shooting boys when they are gathering firewood. But to my memory, except for Sgt. Calvin Gibbs of the Stryker Brigade out of Ft. Lewis, not one U.S. soldier to date has ever been punished for killing innocent Afghans.

    Gibbs was convicted last November of murdering and mutilating three Afghans, and given life imprisonment, but he will be eligible for parole in ten years.

    The Afghans will want justice (just as relatives of victims in the U.S. do), and they will watch this closely. If the perpetrator gets off easily, this will do irreparable damage to the U.S. effort in Kandahar - capital of the Pashtun nation and home to the Taliban movement.

    Graham Fuller, a former high CIA official, said recently that in his view the Taliban are motivated primarily by nationalism, not religion. Based upon my experiences, I agree. They will use this to maximum effect to rally villagers to oppose, in every form, the U.S. presence.

    I have been told, but cannot prove (although it seems logical) that many members of the Taliban are those whose family members were killed by U.S. bombs or by other means.

    Unless the U.S. does something quickly to appease the relatives of those killed, every male member of the extended families will want revenge.

    President Hamid Karzai has been adamant that U.S. night raids on villages have to stop. The U.S. has said that they are necessary. This will hurt the U.S. position.

    This tragedy may further exacerbate tensions in the U.S.

    Although the mood toward Afghanistan in America is much different from what the nation's mood was toward Vietnam - and the mood of the American public toward the U.S. Army is completely different from what it was during that war - this incident is similar to 1968, when Green Beret Lt. William Calley and his men murdered and mutilated between 300 and 500 Vietnamese villagers.

    The U.S. Army tried to cover this up, but reporter Seymour Hirsch uncovered it. It divided pro-war and anti-war backers in the U.S. and further polarized an already-divided country. Many felt that Calley, and the soldiers involved, should not be punished, and President Carter proceeded carefully. Calley was eventually placed under house arrest for three years, nothing more, and the other soldiers were let off. U.S. politicians denounced those soldiers in Calley's unit who had complained about what Calley and their fellow soldiers had done.

    It may be difficult for President Obama to apologize for this incident because the GOP candidates were angry that he apologized for U.S. soldiers burning the Quran. Many people in America will take the side of the soldier. The Afghans will be watching. It will not be pretty

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    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

  • #2
    in the past whole villages dissapeared , people dissapeared and were not seen and no one reported about it .

    if they want to hide something its very easy and they will do so , like the use of depleted uranium , which has got much greater damage to generations and thousands of people than those 60 shaids . a nuclear genocide , but as people dont see and hear it , and its not shocking most dont care , especially our pro american anti war ghundal and cyber mujahedin ...

    the same with the quran burning , if they really wanted that i didnt come out ,they could easily shut it .


    i belive that they want to show their own people , that this war turned out to be leading no where .... so from 10 years of being a just war , you have to turn the tide and show what this war is making out of " good youg men and women " who are serving , lost values etc. pp . job is done etc. pp.

    osama bin ladin is dead , taliban are declared to be nationalistic local movement and to negotiate with them is okay .

    very soon you will hear they killed mullah omar or al zawahiri , and finally there will be a peace settlement .

    with every act of terror and violence , they legitimise talibans more and more , i think that behind closed doors they already settled down , to let the taliboon come back , and giving them some sugar in return to loyalty .


    it will be no suprise if after 2014 pakis will agree on behalf of the taliban for pipeline deal ..

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    • #3
      no i let go my hate some time ago , and i am analysing the situation with a calm mind ,

      the ones who are lead by anger and hate are the ones , who are cursing online , but

      offer no solution of the problem , who really belive americans are there because they dont like muslims , or because the belive they are there because they want to install democracy .

      you are the best exampel , just because i say taliban are not better than the american backed samte shamal political wise , you and others jump on me , calling me kafir , traitor etc ..

      in your eyes "taliban " legitimizing their selfes because they are the insurgents , then tell me , if the taliban are really those saviours as you see them , why there was not the war in such a extend between 01till 05 and 07 ??? where all this taliban came from ??? well its more the people that are fighting than your mullah omar and the rest of the gang who are sitting some where in pakistan ..

      is it not more like this that the americans in their arrogant attitude belived that they could hire samte shamal ata, sayaf ,ismael ,rabbani and the rest , give them money and expect to do as they wish and deliver the proper results .
      but as we know they failed politcally , because those people are so stupid , they are cutting the branch on which they are sitting . (corruption , theft , missbehaviour , in short term tyranny .)

      simple people like you are easyily attracted by clear and obvious pictures , where you know were the good ones are and where the bad ones .

      but unfourtently , the heroes which you are applauding for are no better than the americans , they are just less worse ......

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      • #4
        if i am wrong give me a proper answer and convience me why and in what regard i am wrong

        but as i see , you are just walking away , because you can not give me an answer .

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
          Analysis by CBS News Afghanistan consultant Jere van Dyk

          (CBS News) Every Afghan village, no matter how isolated, has a radio. And by now every Afghan in the country (and in Pakistan) will know that a U.S. soldier committed mass murder against innocent, unarmed Afghan Pashtun civilians, including women and children.

          How could an American soldier carrying his weapon leave his squad, exit his a fire base alone, with guards all around, and walk into an Afghan village without someone saying something?

          Where were his squad members? Where was his sergeant?

          No American soldier, in my observation, has ever gone anywhere alone in Afghanistan. Always they go with other soldiers on patrol or to a meeting, and at the very least with an interpreter.


          Many Pashtuns, even those high up in the Afghan government, feel that the U.S. is at war with the Pashtuns. The Taliban are Pashtuns. Even today, over a hundred years after the British left, Afghan mothers tell their children to be good or the British will get them. Will they say the same about the U.S.? Is this our legacy?

          There have been many incidents, some of them perhaps accidental - helicopters shooting boys when they are gathering firewood. But to my memory, except for Sgt. Calvin Gibbs of the Stryker Brigade out of Ft. Lewis, not one U.S. soldier to date has ever been punished for killing innocent Afghans.

          Gibbs was convicted last November of murdering and mutilating three Afghans, and given life imprisonment, but he will be eligible for parole in ten years.

          The Afghans will want justice (just as relatives of victims in the U.S. do), and they will watch this closely. If the perpetrator gets off easily, this will do irreparable damage to the U.S. effort in Kandahar - capital of the Pashtun nation and home to the Taliban movement.

          Graham Fuller, a former high CIA official, said recently that in his view the Taliban are motivated primarily by nationalism, not religion. Based upon my experiences, I agree. They will use this to maximum effect to rally villagers to oppose, in every form, the U.S. presence.

          I have been told, but cannot prove (although it seems logical) that many members of the Taliban are those whose family members were killed by U.S. bombs or by other means.

          Unless the U.S. does something quickly to appease the relatives of those killed, every male member of the extended families will want revenge.

          President Hamid Karzai has been adamant that U.S. night raids on villages have to stop. The U.S. has said that they are necessary. This will hurt the U.S. position.

          This tragedy may further exacerbate tensions in the U.S.

          Although the mood toward Afghanistan in America is much different from what the nation's mood was toward Vietnam - and the mood of the American public toward the U.S. Army is completely different from what it was during that war - this incident is similar to 1968, when Green Beret Lt. William Calley and his men murdered and mutilated between 300 and 500 Vietnamese villagers.

          The U.S. Army tried to cover this up, but reporter Seymour Hirsch uncovered it. It divided pro-war and anti-war backers in the U.S. and further polarized an already-divided country. Many felt that Calley, and the soldiers involved, should not be punished, and President Carter proceeded carefully. Calley was eventually placed under house arrest for three years, nothing more, and the other soldiers were let off. U.S. politicians denounced those soldiers in Calley's unit who had complained about what Calley and their fellow soldiers had done.

          It may be difficult for President Obama to apologize for this incident because the GOP candidates were angry that he apologized for U.S. soldiers burning the Quran. Many people in America will take the side of the soldier. The Afghans will be watching. It will not be pretty

          http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-...mean-for-u.s./

          Is there a reason why this lie continues to be given truth to by the media? It was not one coward Bales, but a group of failures who committed this crime.

          Why is the media covering it up? This is the 21st Century.

          Soros foundation is already investigating this, and will be coming out with a report very soon.

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          • #6
            it is being said that some of the survivors/witnesses to the Panjwai murders by the cowards have been kept far away somewhere away from journalists and such.

            Can someone verify this?

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