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    Afghanistan: De-Pashtunization of Pashtuns by Taliban & Pakistan

    For more than a thousand years the Afghan nation, and Pashtun tribes in particular, have resisted all foreign efforts of domination. Efforts by great empires have failed to suppress rich Pashtun culture and traditions, created during ancient Silk Road trading, the Jirga, language, art, music, song, poetry, dance, sports, food, humor, hospitality, etc... What great empires have failed to do is now being attempted by a late-comer, mini and sham-empire -- a collection of disjointed provinces known as Pakistan.

    Pakistan, using its indoctrinated proxy Taliban, has insidiously and perniciously forced the greatest damage to the identity, society, culture, traditions and posterity, of the Pashtuns. On the pretext of "Jihad", the Punjabi dominated Pakistani establishment has steadily reduced and de-Pashtunized the proud Pashtun community into pawns on the strategic chess-board.

    Since inception of Pakistan in 1947, the Pakistani state has only accepted either ultra-conservative Muslim nationalists or fundamentalists as the "sole anchorman" of the Pashtuns. It is not the Pashtun ethnicity of the Taliban that seeks Pakistan's support; it is the non-traditional ideology of the Taliban -- an ideology that purges traditional ethnic Pashtun identity that endearingly elevates the Taliban to the Pakistani establishment. Rephrasing, Pakistan is backing the Taliban not because they represent Pashtun nationalism but because they reject Pashtun nationalism; ever since the detachment of colonial overlords in the subcontinent, Pashtun culture has been an irritant factor to the Punjabi dominated Pakistani state. In the Pakistani scheme, anything that emphasizes Pashtun identity, culture, language, traditions must be suppressed or metamorphosed to serve the Punjab interests of Pakistan.

    It is fear of a Pashtun awakening that the Pakistanis have kept the Pashtun Tribal belt as a regressive anthropological cattle ranch where the social, cultural, educational and political development of the people remains medieval while adjoining areas - the so called "settled areas" - show some semblance of modernity. Pakistanis justify their FATA "reservation" policy based on arrogant colonial British who portrayed the Pashtuns as free-spirited, noble savages who lived by their own code of ethics and tolerated no attempt to curb their autonomy, much less their independence. The natural consequence of letting FATA become the "wild west" of Pakistan is that it remains under developed, under-educated and under-represented, and unfortunately, women have suffered the worst; being treated no better than commodities.

    With no economic development on the horizon, FATA transformed into a haven for criminals from all over Pakistan who sought refuge in this area and conducted their wicked trade --- smuggling, gun-running, narcotics, extortion, kidnapping, car theft etc -- with complete impunity.

    By not allowing political parties to operate in FATA, the Pakistani establishment sought to depoliticize the region. The vacuum thus created was filled by the nexus between the mafia and the mullah, which suited the Pakistani establishment perfectly; it allowed the exploitation of the Pashtun tribesmen as cannon fodder for the various misadventures of the Pakistani state, starting with the "tribal invasion" of Jammu and Kashmir in 1947 and culminating with the rise of the Taliban in the 1990s.

    Pakistan's policies, tactics and strategies towards the Afghan Pashtuns have been nothing short of devastating and are characterized by Pakistan's support for the Islamo-fascist Taliban; in post 9/11, Pakistan never changed course strategically in Afghanistan. In fact, after a two year recuperation time window, the Taliban regrouped after 9/11; then Pakistan unleashed them back into Afghanistan. Needles to say, the brunt of the Taliban resurgence in Afghanistan is felt in the Pashtun dominated areas in the South and East of the country. By directing the Taliban attacks on aid and development workers, the Pakistanis have ensured that the Pashtun belt lags behind other parts of Afghanistan where reconstruction activity has been taking place at a feverish pace.

    The deprivation of the Pashtuns is a deliberate policy aimed at enhancing the sense of grievance and alienation among the Pashtuns and introduces a vicious cycle in which terror strikes on development activity has led to a halt in reconstruction work, which in turn impairs development of the Pashtun areas and results in growing anger among the people who feel they are being marginalized by the non-Pashtun dominated dispensation from Kabul. This anger is exploited by the Taliban to win support from local communities; which leads to a further deterioration in the security situation. The Taliban also work to ensure that all efforts at providing governance by Kabul in the Pashtun areas to fail. The direct impact of the relentless targeting of government officials is to render the administration dysfunctional and the resultant vacuum is filled by the Taliban; who set up their own shadow government for dispensing what they call justice and dispute settlement between members of local communities.

    The destruction of schools and denial of education to girls has been an essential part of the war on the Pashtuns people. The only purpose for attacking schools is to deny future generations of Pashtuns even a small secular education that would equip them to walk in step with rest of the world. In the eyes of the Taliban, the Pashtun children need nothing more than grounding in a tough religious madrassa education. That said, madrassa educated Pashtuns who neither compete nor coexist with other ethnic groups is perhaps part of the calculus for denying Pashtun children a proper education.

    At the political level, the Taliban guarantee the marginalization of the Pashtuns by coercing them into not participating in the elections. With many Pashtuns not casting their votes in the last Afghan parliamentary votes, candidates belonging to non-Pashtun ethnic groups managed to win even in Pashtun dominated areas. For instance, in Ghazni, the Hazaras managed to win most of the parliamentary seats because of the low voter turnout among the Pashtuns. Also, in the Afghan National Army and Police, all efforts to correct the ethnic imbalance by increasing the Pashtun representations has been blocked by the Taliban and their Pakistani backers who have threatened the Pashtuns with reprisals against their families and communities if they joined the forces.

    The havoc wrought on the Pashtuns to push them into the dark ages and sully their image around the world by the Pakistani sponsored and supported Taliban, and the systematic infusion of radical Islamist ideology into the Pashtun areas, has made every Pashtun a suspect in the eyes of not only other ethnic groups in Afghanistan but also in the rest of the world.

    Afghanistan's Pashtun areas are seen today as zones of instability and epicenters of global terrorism, in fact, a clear sign that De-Pashtunization of Pashtuns is working.

    Enough! It is time for this game to end. Pashtuns in Afghanistan, in the U.S. and around the world must now blow the whistle on false Pashtun from Pakistan. De-Pashtunization of Pashtuns for the benefit of Pakistan must be seen for what it is. It is poison propaganda to control the Pashtuns, to make the world see them only as the seeds of worldwide terrorism; and to convince them that only Pakistan can save them. This is totally unacceptable.

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  • #2
    Shadow/Ashraf/Ghundal,


    if we go back and examine for example that family members of yours go to Catholic Schools ( I know, it´s a stupid remark, but let me show you how being judgemental about someone without resorting to the content what he writes or says but about irrelevant facts about his life, job, upbringing, family etc. works on you.... ) then we shouldn´t give a crap about your words, too.

    In fact we don´t but not because of your background but because of the content of what you write.
    The only constant is change.

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    • #3
      To come back to the topic:


      It´s crystal clear what Ideologies (left- or right-leaning) do first before they can be implemented: destory everything that was there before.

      Communism, Nationalsocialism, Political Islam....every ideology has to distance the people from their past to be able to build a new social and political structure.

      Pakistan´s state ideology is that of "Islamic Nation". It has united atleast 5 different ethnicities under the banner of religion, so thei greatest enemies are people with a cultural, lingual and social past.

      Of course they have to undermine their enemy´s legacy, heritage and language by implementing an internationalist idea.

      This arguementation is not new. From a Pakistani perspective it´s a smart thing to do.
      The only constant is change.

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      • #4
        Bechara?

        Dude, use atleast Pashto expressions when you talk to me.
        English would make it, too.

        Don´t do the Pathan-thingy with me and mix up languages.

        You are not part of Enduring Freedom, right. But you support the counter-operation of Enduring Freedom, Operation "Pakistani Dhaal Implementation on Afghan Soil" like your Paki-Pathan brothers. Siding with one side of the conflict is definitly siding with the conflict in general.

        Try to side with the people who starve, get bombed and oppressed by both sides instead of being a foreign stooge.
        The only constant is change.

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        • #5
          I think the center, the government and army in Pakistan needs to understand that looking after the interests of Pashtuns in Pakistan is very important. Pashtuns are getting more and more alienated every day and things are really getting out of hand. We need to change policy immediately.

          I also recommend the center to follow these policies:
          1) Pashto language should be promoted in KP
          2) Pashto culture should be promoted in KP
          3) Pashtuns should be given more rights and should be given a larger qouta of seats in assembly, parliament, and a set percentage in the army (The % of Pashtuns in Pakistan army was about 30% once. It is being reduced since army applied policy of inducting Sindhis and Kashmiris. The Punjabi numbers should have actually declined but they remain largely the same.)

          I would also request my brothers not to feel alienated. This isn't 'Pakistans' fault. We are all responsible for past policies and we are now paying the price.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by shadowgoverner
            if you mena by political Islam the culture of Afghans and their right to sharia law than you shoudl be specific about it and dont beat around the bush.

            Pakistan's ideology is not Islam but seculerism and its leaders have been athesist such as you,so pakistan is your favourite system since it too is oppressing muslims and has done so for the last 60 years.You are suporting pakistan actually.
            you must have lived in a cave in some island,pakistan has disunited people ,starting from pashtuns with durrand line and blach as well.

            you attempts at Islam are weak and pathetic.
            Our legacy is that of Islam,our heritage is that of Islam,our future is Islam.
            Thats our right!!!

            1. What is "culture of Islam"?
            Islamd doesn´t know anything like an islamic culture.
            Islam as a religion is static, culture is fluid and changes with time.

            2. Even if I was an atheist, what has atheism and secularism to do with being Pro-Pakistan, Talib Boy?
            Is a Chilean atheist a Paki supporter, too?

            3. Don´t be pathetic, Imran-Khan-Pathan supporter.....you have been depanted here many times now.

            4. Pakistan has united stupid people like you and your Pathan-likes in this forum (the Manzarehs, Shehbazs etc) who have been united as a "Pakistani nation" on the sole base of religion.
            The only constant is change.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by shadowgoverner
              bechara bechara bechara.
              so you know pashto ha? i didnt see anything so far that suggest you have anything to do with pashto.
              matter of fact you sound like one of those who have been born in some foreign countries and lacks pashtun culture and mindset and above all Islam.i dont blame you though,it is fault of those who brought you up and now made you a delusional kid thinking there is a chance that pashtuns will forsake islam and give relevance to some lost people such as you.
              pathan thingy? i guess you have never lived among pashtuns,i feel sorry for you ,i truelly do.
              you should try to reintegerate.

              that is just properganda made which is good for fools such as you to beat to and try to justify your existance,lies and your support for subducation of Afghan nation which you think will lead to you having a voice in the politics of Islamic Nation of Afghanistan.
              there are two sides,one that of Afghans and freedom lovers who are Muslims and wont bow down such as you have doen ,the other is that of traitors and half baked atheists such as you.

              those people are fighting back and liberating the holy islamic nation of Afghanistan.
              the paki theory has gone down the drain already,it was good enough for your propaganda untill 2008 ,now it has been worn out.
              Matter of fact pakistan is going down along with you and your masters


              here is you .......>

              Come on Ghundal/Ashraf/Shadow,

              trolling around a forum with multiple accounts just to make the impression that many people share your views is pathetic.

              You are not just a disgrace for your own family because you don´t seem to have achieved anything so far except for being an "internet celebrity among PF members".

              You can go on to live among Yanks, who not only pay your ISI officers but bomb you to the stone age with your tax money while you promot your internet jihad.

              The only constant is change.

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              • #8
                Mostafa, how do you dare to refer to SG in singular form??? You should use pluralis- probably-majestatis form Don't forget you are talking to the shadow governor hihihiii
                دلته دم او قدم دواړه په حساب دي - پل په لاره غلط مه ږده بې حسابه

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                • #9
                  I agree with shadowgoverner that that theory is stupid (not the rest of his spoutings)

                  If Pakistan wanted to depashtunize Pashtuns they would have flooded the area with punjabis sindh balochis. Instead there's no incentive to go to Pashtun areas. Pashtun nationalism is a more difficult consideration. Is karzai the embodiment of Pashtun nationalism when most of his influences are non Pashtun? No, and Pakistan is probably not supporting him. So the argument that Pakistan is not supporting Pashtun nationalism by supporting the taliban (if they are) seems weak.

                  I see all this as poor argumentation, in much the same way as others argue about the tajifikation of Pashtuns in the western areas.
                  Last edited by Guest; 03-10-2012, 02:43 PM.

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                  • #10
                    this college drop out Mostafa seems to be MIGHTY obsessed with me.

                    I just read this now.

                    Why hasnt he joined the NATO german army again ?

                    What is he doing sitting in Germany cheerleading for war? Pathetic PRO-WAR loser. Note how being ANTI-WAR/occupation is completely wrong according to him.

                    Shiiiit, how is someone this OBSESSED...
                    Last edited by Ghundal; 03-10-2012, 03:07 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mostafa1919 View Post
                      Come on Ghundal/Ashraf/Shadow,

                      trolling around a forum with multiple accounts just to make the impression that many people share your views is pathetic.

                      You are not just a disgrace for your own family because you don´t seem to have achieved anything so far except for being an "internet celebrity among PF members".

                      You can go on to live among Yanks, who not only pay your ISI officers but bomb you to the stone age with your tax money while you promot your internet jihad.

                      Except if he is able to type 2000 characters and log in and log out in less than 59 seconds, they're not the same person.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Yasmeenaah View Post
                        Mostafa, how do you dare to refer to SG in singular form??? You should use pluralis- probably-majestatis form Don't forget you are talking to the shadow governor hihihiii
                        Perhaps Mods/.Admins should penalize both you and Mostafa for accusing me of being Shadow governor simply because you dont have facts


                        No need to start making false accusations now is there?
                        Last edited by Ghundal; 03-10-2012, 03:31 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by roadrunner View Post
                          I agree with shadowgoverner that that theory is stupid (not the rest of his spoutings)

                          If Pakistan wanted to depashtunize Pashtuns they would have flooded the area with punjabis sindh balochis. Instead there's no incentive to go to Pashtun areas. Pashtun nationalism is a more difficult consideration. Is karzai the embodiment of Pashtun nationalism when most of his influences are non Pashtun? No, and Pakistan is probably not supporting him. So the argument that Pakistan is not supporting Pashtun nationalism by supporting the taliban (if they are) seems weak.

                          I see all this as poor argumentation, in much the same way as others argue about the tajifikation of Pashtuns in the western areas.
                          I think the entire idea of Pakistan being the 'ultimate enemy' is overrated. The past policy of the country may be at fault but the question remains what choice did we have anyway. We were led into Afghanistan debacle in 1980's by the USA and again we are led into Afghanistan by the USA. Both times were a mistake. In 1980's we were with mujahideen, it was a mistake. Now we are against Taliban (and failing miserably to defeat them making us the center of blame) it is a mistake.

                          But I understand Pashtuns in Swat and Waziristan are angered by the armies failures and mistreatment of civilians. This is why I have said militaries only role is at the borders.
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                          • #14
                            Extremely overrated.

                            The mujahideen of the 80s were a needless creation. The soviets would have left eventually and they may have done Afghanistan a favor by making it less radical.

                            Pakistan's role has been as a follower mainly. It seems to me that no one leading the country has any idea what it's interests are. They appear to do whatever other countries tell them even if it is not in their interest.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ghundal View Post
                              Perhaps Mods/.Admins should penalize both you and Mostafa for accusing me of being Shadow governor simply because you dont have facts


                              No need to start making false accusations now is there?
                              Ghundal, what are you talking about?
                              I remember that Shadowgoverner in one of his first posts on PF wrote about himself in plural form. So it is pluralis. Then I added probably-majestatis... Well if he is really shadowgoverner* then we all should refer to him in pluralis majestatis form. It's kind of respect

                              If you don't trust me, read all his post, and also you can read the definition of "pluralis majestatis"

                              I am sorry that I haven't get involved you in my process of thinking. And I agree with you, it's the reason to report my post If it's possible, I can do this myself

                              * most of newcomers on PF goes first to new members thread to e-introduce yourself. Sg haven't so I don't know if he is true of imaginary Sg. I may have some thoughts but let me keep them for myself
                              دلته دم او قدم دواړه په حساب دي - پل په لاره غلط مه ږده بې حسابه

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