Robert Pape destroying Sam Harris and Soldat Amir narrative with data/facts

[MostafaM]

paki and arab thats all you got bro.
it seems you are running out of legitimate arguments.

than why dont you tell us if you are an atheist or not but offcourse you wan to save that for the last part like the soldat guy.

anyway stop lying to yourself/us.

Without them you are nothing. That´s the problem.

My religion is my private thingy. If I believe in God, the Flying Spaghetti Monster or the Popular Front of Judea, it´s not the topic here.

Maybe I am as religious as you or maybe I am a complete atheist, satanist or an apostate who converted to Buddhism. Who really cares?

We talk about Pashtun/Afghan matters and the fate of a nation of 60 million people. Even Sikh Afghans are political active and try to make a difference when it comes to our fate.

And speak for yourself first because there is not "we" and if you try to make a point by saying that I lie, finde the lies and show "us".

:-)

Stop being a mullah-esc hypocrite.

[Manzareh]

There is no Afghan race.
What the hell have you done to your brain?

Afghan always meant Pashtun and vice versa.
And Afghanistan is the homeland of Afghans/Pashtuns and those who are culturally similar and follow Afghanyat/Pashtunwali.

Kurram is located in disputed area, the Durand Line is not accepted as the border between the homeland of Afghans and NaPakistan.

And to answer your question: I hold the nationality of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan and Germany.

What nationality do you have?
Pakistani?
Good for you.

Stay out of Afghan/Pashtun matters.

You are missing the point here, let me put this into perspective to give your overworked mathematical brain a chance to understand how the world works..

for arguements sake, say you was taking a flight into England, i as a custom officer stop you and randomly and ask you a few questions:

1)I ask you which country you are born in.

2) I then ask you what country your parents are born in.

You are required to give me a straight forword one word answer for both. what are the two answers?

[MostafaM]

1)I ask you which country you are born in.

Islamic Republic of Afghanistan

2) I then ask you what country your parents are born in.

Islamic Republic of Afghanistan



The problem with your steroid infested brain is that you don´t grasp the meaning of the word "ORIGINATING".

My family originates from Kurram, we still have close contact with family there and almost weekly hear how the Pak Army fights the Mangal, Zamkani and Jaji tribes with the help of the Shia Turi and Bangash.

If you ask me where my grandparents are born, I would answer:

"Pakistani-occupied Afghan Territory....also known as the Federally Administered Tribal Areas"

Any further questions?

[MostafaM]

flying spaghetti monster?Got you.
i care if you are a muslim or not,to us pashtuns religion is a communal thing not just private.
with or without them i am a Muslim and that is my identity and than comes Pashto.
i respect sikh/hindu Afghans ,why are you using them to make a point?

You are generalizing here, my friend.

I am pretty sure many atheist, agnostic, communist, secularist etc. Pashtuns don´t agree with you.

You can care as much as you want, but I don´t care and for my world that counts.

[Manzareh]

If everybody answered the question of "were are you from" from the view of were there ancestors originated from we'd have a world full of Mostafas and confusion. Kurram is in Pakistan you dont believe me? ask proffessor google.

If you ask me where my grandparents are born, I would answer:

"Pakistani-occupied Afghan Territory....also known as the Federally Administered Tribal Areas"

Any further questions?

In other words "PAKISTAN"

[MostafaM]

If everybody answered the question of "were are you from" from the view of were there ancestors originated from we'd have a world full of Mostafas and confusion. Kurram is in Pakistan you dont believe me? ask proffessor google.



In other words "PAKISTAN"

My grandfather was born in 1914.


Modern day disputed territory was free territory then. The Durand Treaty called those areas "free areas"....not British administered and not Afghan administered.

You need to check out your own history, Manzareh.
And by your own history I don´t mean British history. ;-)

[MostafaM]

If everybody answered the question of "were are you from" from the view of were there ancestors originated from we'd have a world full of Mostafas and confusion. Kurram is in Pakistan you dont believe me? ask proffessor google.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff: Darya-e Sindh is the Afghan-Pak Border - YouTube

That´s the Chief of Staff of the Afghan Army, General Karimi.

He will explain it to where the border is....



Edit: Oops, he is speaking the other official language of Afghanistan.
The language that your Paki national anthem is written in....Farsi.
You want me to translate?

[Manzareh]

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff: Darya-e Sindh is the Afghan-Pak Border - YouTube

That´s the Chief of Staff of the Afghan Army, General Karimi.

He will explain it to where the border is....



Edit: Oops, he is speaking the other official language of Afghanistan.
The language that your Paki national anthem is written in....Farsi.
You want me to translate?

i couldnt give less of a damn about farsi, it has nothing to do with me, and knowing it wont make me any more Pashtun than i already am, so take your farsi and shove it

[Manzareh]

My grandfather was born in 1914.


Modern day disputed territory was free territory then. The Durand Treaty called those areas "free areas"....not British administered and not Afghan administered.

You need to check out your own history, Manzareh.
And by your own history I don´t mean British history. ;-)

Yes but that area is not free territory anymore, its in Pakistan. Hence people from Kurram are Pakistanis. My point is not aimed at you specifically, I thought you were arguing and stressing a point that Pashtuns shouldnt say they are Pakistanis.

The bottom line is that most Pashtuns on this planet are Pakistanis, they have no choice since the land were they live is part of a country called Pakistan.

In 1913 Pakistan was not even created, so with that logic nobodys grandparents were born in Pakistan, its pointless even mentioning that.

I take it if you was a Pashtun from Swat or Peshawar you wouldnt be able put your Afghanistan argument forward.

[DaMalakandGhar]

i couldnt give less of a damn about farsi, it has nothing to do with me, and knowing it wont make me any more Pashtun than i already am, so take your farsi and shove it

Are you a Pashtun? Really? I thought there may be some strong Chohan Khel DNA traces in you who the choudris of Gujrat come from as well.

[Ghundal]

You are generalizing here, my friend.

I am pretty sure many atheist, agnostic, communist, secularist etc. Pashtuns don´t agree with you.

You can care as much as you want, but I don´t care and for my world that counts.

Hey listen up Kufar

say it and hear it out yourself : say it : kufrrrrrr. thats what you are BOIIIIII

so who gives a **** what you say? Who is suprised that you are dishonest?

Uncle TOm boy, house negroe

debate properly

[Ghundal]

Are you a Pashtun? Really? I thought there may be some strong Chohan Khel DNA traces in you who the choudris of Gujrat come from as well.

Kufrrrrrr
say it and repeat it>>>> you are a kufrrrrrrrrrr hahahahah

kuffrrr boiii trying to lie to us and tell us that Pashtuns are kufrs like himself

you clown freak show

[MostafaM]

Yes but that area is not free territory anymore, its in Pakistan. Hence people from Kurram are Pakistanis. My point is not aimed at you specifically, I thought you were arguing and stressing a point that Pashtuns shouldnt say they are Pakistanis.

The bottom line is that most Pashtuns on this planet are Pakistanis, they have no choice since the land were they live is part of a country called Pakistan.

In 1913 Pakistan was not even created, so with that logic nobodys grandparents were born in Pakistan, its pointless even mentioning that.

I take it if you was a Pashtun from Swat or Peshawar you wouldnt be able put your Afghanistan argument forward.

One could argue, that the Golan Hights, Gaza, Westbank, Kashmir, Tibet, Taiwan etc. are not disputed territories anymore.

But the fact remains that the Durand Treaty regulates the border between British India and it´s successor state to the north (Pakistan) and Afghanistan.

International Law is clear cut here.

You can go and promote your Pakistani Lackeyism but the facts remai that from Khyber to Attock, from Quetta to the Sindh River, it´s Afghan Territory.

Everyone has the chance to chose what he is and where he lives in.
If Gandoos like you who are barely able to speak one Pashto sentence without English and Urdu wordws are happy to stay that imploding terror state, feel free to do so.

There are Pashtuns who do not share your treator views.

Pashtun In Pakistan Are Afghan. Discussion on Pashtun National TV "Avt Khyber" - YouTube

That´s what the Pashtun youth thinks.
Good luck with your "Pakistan".

[MostafaM]

Kufrrrrrr
say it and repeat it>>>> you are a kufrrrrrrrrrr hahahahah

kuffrrr boiii trying to lie to us and tell us that Pashtuns are kufrs like himself

you clown freak show

Hey listen up, mordagaw. LOL

Pashtuns are whatever they are.
Their ethnicity has nothing to do with their religion.

I understand that a Heera Mendi offspring like you has to stick to Islam that hard because otherwise he would go crazy. Your traumatic experiences have caused what you are presenting here:
a guy with English-skills of a drug addicted highschool drop-out.

[roadrunner]

don't be silly mostafa. most pashtuns in pakistan are quite happy being pakistani. if they were not they would not be a part of pakistan.

things may change but the way things stand, you'd be wrong both legally and in geographical terms.