Robert Pape destroying Sam Harris and Soldat Amir narrative with data/facts

[Manzareh]

Ask whether i give a damn about pakistan to begin with, might save you the hassle of writing more than you need to.

Were talking about the west and how they are destroying Muslim lands, putting facts in a timeline and analysing the data to prove a point on global level, giving us an opportunity to realize who the 'bad guys' really are. You realise the point but cant answer it nor refute it, which leads you on to going off on a tangent talking your racist murtad BS.

Your out in the open about your support and allegence with NATO and Zionism, its bigger than Pakistan or Afghanistan. Put all the peices in a mental puzzle and

ABRACADABRA!........

.... no your still an ignorant fool, even magic cant mend you.

[Ghundal]

Manzareh and Shehbaz,

Dont be fooled, Mostafa and Soldat hate Afghans. They dont mind to see Afghans dying. They support Pakistan bombarding FATA, and support Kayani who is supporting drone attacks, and allowing supply routes

These guys are hypocrites - simply trying to disguise their support for the war in Afghanistan with false ANTI-Pakistan rhetoric.

What makes you think these liars hate Pakistan? They support Pakistan because without Pakistan support for the US/NATO war/intervention which they cheerlead, it becomes increasingly impossible.

WHy do you think they get so RATTLED at the mention of Imran Khan ending Pakistan support for this war? He could be lying, but they dont want to take a chance



In fact, since they continue to perpetually LIE on this forum,, Im wondering why they are not banned.

They are simply dishonest.

[MostafaM]

Ask whether i give a damn about pakistan to begin with, might save you the hassle of writing more than you need to.

Were talking about the west and how they are destroying Muslim lands, putting facts in a timeline and analysing the data to prove a point on global level, giving us an opportunity to realize who the 'bad guys' really are. You realise the point but cant answer it nor refute it, which leads you on to going off on a tangent talking your racist murtad BS.

Your out in the open about your support and allegence with NATO and Zionism, its bigger than Pakistan or Afghanistan. Put all the peices in a mental puzzle and

ABRACADABRA!........

.... no your still an ignorant fool, even magic cant mend you.

Come on loser,

you don´t need to hide your love for that green-white napak nation just because the whole world have exposed you as a terrorist state now.
Try to be loyal once in your life.

I fully understand why Nato is bad now but was always good before when they payed your daddies salarie in the armed forces. It´s because the money is not flowing anymore, right?

Pakistan and people like you are the ass-birth of a British colonial policy on the indian subcontinent.
Your anti-Hindu rantings are known to all when you even questioned a small Afghan girls khaal on her forehead. Your obession with India,a clear Paki-illness, and your chauvenistic view towards Afghans and non-Pashtun Afghans in general have been dealt with so far.

If you Paki loser want to get depanted again, go on like this.

[Ghundal]

Come on loser,

you don´t need to hide your love for that green-white napak nation just because the whole world have exposed you as a terrorist state now.
Try to be loyal once in your life.

I fully understand why Nato is bad now but was always good before when they payed your daddies salarie in the armed forces. It´s because the money is not flowing anymore, right?

Pakistan and people like you are the ass-birth of a British colonial policy on the indian subcontinent.
Your anti-Hindu rantings are known to all when you even questioned a small Afghan girls khaal on her forehead. Your obession with India,a clear Paki-illness, and your chauvenistic view towards Afghans and non-Pashtun Afghans in general have been dealt with so far.

If you Paki loser want to get depanted again, go on like this.

Dishonest boy,

You are very supportive of the current Pakistan corrupt set up where the leaders continue to support the US/NATO war with crucial supply routes where without them, the war is increasingly impossible.

Repeat X2

You support the current Pakistani state set up which give supply lines to the NATO, Northern Alliance, and Karzai/Spanta regime to continue this war in Afghanistan.

So you are being very dishonest in your selective false opposition to Pakistan.

You are Pakistan biggest supporter. You support the Pakistan Army, and only are opposed to them because they havent extended the war into more regions of FATA and you feel that these regions are the reason for failure in Afghanistan.

Just yesterday you are asking why Pakistan Army has not extended the war into specific areas of Balochistan (Quetta) and more areas of FATA.

So this is your only issue with Pakistan.

If they are to do more in bombarding Pashtun areas with jets and drones, you will cease even this criticism.

You do not care about Afghans, and specifically Pashtuns.


You are simply dishonest just like Soldat who says that Afghans are backward and untrustworthy

[MostafaM]

Ghundal,

you should have understood why actually no one replies back to you, although you try hard to be heard.

I read your posts but I can´t find 1% of common sense in it and I don´t want to debate on your level.....the level of a highschool drop-out with absolutly zero intelligence, understanding and the willingness to understand and actually reply directly to his counterpart´s words.

I won´t tackle the content of your words because from left and right....you are considered a hopeless case.

I am sorry but I don´t want to exchange views with you because you lack the most basic understanding.

All the best in the future!

[Ghundal]

Ghundal,

you should have understood why actually no one replies back to you, although you try hard to be heard.

I read your posts but I can´t find 1% of common sense in it and I don´t want to debate on your level.....the level of a highschool drop-out with absolutly zero intelligence, understanding and the willingness to understand and actually reply directly to his counterpart´s words.

I won´t tackle the content of your words because from left and right....you are considered a hopeless case.

I am sorry but I don´t want to exchange views with you because you lack the most basic understanding.

All the best in the future!

Pro War supporter,

You cant tackle the content of the facts I post

If you cant tackle the content of my posts, you simply evade it, and accuse me of your own failures

Like yesterday telling me to Prove that Pakistan supports the Afghan insurgency

You said Pakistan supports the Afghan insurgency without providing facts to back this claim

Why should I prove what you said? Thats you job to do

What nonsensical crap it that?


Again, you failed to prove to me that Pakistan supports Afghan insurgency.


The highlighting of this claim also shows you have no objections to Pakistan supporting the NATO/Karzai/Northern Alliance war in Afghanistan with supply routes

very selective criticism

You then ask why Pakistan has not extended military operation into more areas of Balochistan and FATA.

So your false opposition to Pakistan is rooted in your desire to see more war on the region, a region of mostly Pashtuns.

[MostafaM]

I asked you to prove what you said:

that an insurgent Taliban army of 20.000 is self-sufficient regarding weaponry, logistics, training and shelter.

[Ghundal]

I asked you to prove what you said:

that an insurgent Taliban army of 20.000 is self-sufficient regarding weaponry, logistics, training and shelter.

Your going in a circle.

I have not said anything in regards to the Taliban/Afghan insurgency capabiities, and how they operate. you are raising this issue up, so now you can explain it along with the supporting sources/proof showing that Pakistan supports the Afghan insurgency.

You said that Pakistan supports the Afghan insurgency, so I am asking you to offer sources/proof.

It really is not that hard to do.

[MostafaM]

Of course you did.

By denying that Pakistan, the place where they operate from, is the source of their strength, you acknowledged that they are self-sufficient or that someone else is helping them.

I don´t think that´s hard to understand.

You denied the Pakistan link.
What is your source?

That the Taliban themselves are talking of Quetta and Miran Shah Shuras clearly indicates the location of their operational base.

It´s simple as you said:
you denied my claims without providing any proof.

Can you please tell me why the Taliban spokesmen talk of these two Shuras and their locations?

Can you please tell me how the Taliban can operate from Quetta where Pakistani Army has a large base, with Zhob just a few miles away with another military facility there?

[haviZsultan]

Come on loser,

you don´t need to hide your love for that green-white napak nation just because the whole world have exposed you as a terrorist state now.
Try to be loyal once in your life.

I fully understand why Nato is bad now but was always good before when they payed your daddies salarie in the armed forces. It´s because the money is not flowing anymore, right?

Pakistan and people like you are the ass-birth of a British colonial policy on the indian subcontinent.
Your anti-Hindu rantings are known to all when you even questioned a small Afghan girls khaal on her forehead. Your obession with India,a clear Paki-illness, and your chauvenistic view towards Afghans and non-Pashtun Afghans in general have been dealt with so far.

If you Paki loser want to get depanted again, go on like this.

Criticizing Pakistan won't fix your problems.

I don't understand this childish attitude of some posters. All they prefer to do is bash Pakistan.

What proof do you have Pakistan is supporting the Taliban? Childish claims.

[MostafaM]

The proof is that Mullah Beradar was arrested AFTER he opened negotiation channels with the Afghan government by the Pakistani Intelligence.

The proof is that the Quetta Shura is residing in QUETTA where the Pakistani Army and security forces have a large presence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XII_Corps_%28Pakistan%29

There is no need to play stupid.

You mean that Pakistan Army and Intelligence have no clue how the Taliban army of atleast 20.000 people arm, equip and train themselves, find shelter in Pakistan and remain undetected?

It´s laughable in the case of Osama Bin Laden that he could remain undetected in Abbottabad, which actually the whole world doubts but you can´t argue that an insurgent army remains undetected for 11 years......or Pakistani security forces are HIGHLY unprofessional, weak and don´t know what is going on in their country.

The fact that a lear jet transported the Taliban representatives from PAKISTAN to Qatar is another indicator.....

;-)

Time to face reality.

[Khostai]

This is the thing, most here, live and raised up in the West, so they think those in Afghanistan think just like them, when they go there, and see for themselves Mullah Nasruddin holding hand of 10 year old bride, they will be shocked, when they see young boys rolling in the dirt and sewage and taken for "Fidayeen" training in Waziristan by a dirty perverted Talib Emir, they will realise the ground realities.

Has this Pape fella ever been to Afghanistan or Pakistan, the minute people see his Sra Kwana in the Bazooor, they will probably kidnap him or introduce him to the Kanjar!


I bet our Pakistani vorar, Resistance has never heard of DI Khan civil Hospital where a young Maseed talib Fidayeen blew himself up just to kill some Shia's.

I hope they take my offer.

I will become Alim if these guys to Miram Shah and ask for the Local Alim about his supply of Fidayeens.

LOL at that my father says that two

But I am still angry at you calling Afghans backward and untrustworthy, that was really not nice of you

[Manzareh]

Come on loser,

you don´t need to hide your love for that green-white napak nation just because the whole world have exposed you as a terrorist state now.
Try to be loyal once in your life.

I fully understand why Nato is bad now but was always good before when they payed your daddies salarie in the armed forces. It´s because the money is not flowing anymore, right?

Pakistan and people like you are the ass-birth of a British colonial policy on the indian subcontinent.
Your anti-Hindu rantings are known to all when you even questioned a small Afghan girls khaal on her forehead. Your obession with India,a clear Paki-illness, and your chauvenistic view towards Afghans and non-Pashtun Afghans in general have been dealt with so far.

If you Paki loser want to get depanted again, go on like this.

hold on, dont get your knickers in a twist, take a breather..count to 5...better??? now then, why are you still ranting on about Pakistan?? why do you blank the whole content of a post out and give a reply about some other shiit.

I asked your boy to give some feedback about a certain portion of the video, you confronted me like some angry boyfriend, so i simpy put the question to you in so many words, but instead you rant on about "british colonial policy on the subcontent" LOL i mean what!? your just a monkey that swings from subject to subject. all you needed to say was:

I fully understand why Nato is bad now

and thats it khalaas.

[Ghundal]

Of course you did.

By denying that Pakistan, the place where they operate from, is the source of their strength, you acknowledged that they are self-sufficient or that someone else is helping them.

I never denied anything at all whatsoever. Comprede? Your the one saying Pakistan supports Afghan insurgency. You saying it does not mean it is true. You need to show me sources/facts? Is that clear yet to you?

I don´t think that´s hard to understand.

You denied the Pakistan link

.
What is your source that shows Pakistan supports the Afghan insurgency?

I think you are unable to provide sources to back up your claims. Where are they?

The onus is on you to provide evidence for your claims. Again, it is not my job to prove your case.

Furthermore, you have yet again brought up the topic of what US and Karzai officials term "safe havens." So this is the issue you are putting forth, and you appear to want Pakistan to take more action against these "safe havens" more than they already have? Right?

So you want Pakistan Army (who is already bombarding FATA with jets) to bombard the rest of these areas?

That the Taliban themselves are talking of Quetta and Miran Shah Shuras clearly indicates the location of their operational base.
It´s simple as you said:
you denied my claims without providing any proof.

You are making these statements. It is your job to back these statements up with evidence and sources, not mine. You are raising these issues, not me.

It is not my job to deny your many "claims" when your "claims" are not backed by proof in the first place. Offer the proof. Does that make sense to you.

Your statement is not to be treated as fact until you back it up with facts. Im not making any claims about the Afghan insurgency getting support from Pakistan as you have.



You dont provide any proof. Even here, you are just issuing statements.

Can you please tell me why the Taliban spokesmen talk of these two Shuras and their locations?

Can you please tell me how the Taliban can operate from Quetta where Pakistani Army has a large base, with Zhob just a few miles away with another military facility there

Again, Do you mind showing me the proof for the above?

Sooooo, you just put forth several statements as fact and dont back them up with facts and sources.

Disregarding the above, lets look at what you are essentially saying.


you are now discussing what American officials and Karzai term "safe havens" in the Pashtun areas of Pakistan? Correct?

Correct? So in other words this brings up what you said earlier: Why doesn't Pakistan Army take action against these alleged "safe havens" in these Pashtun areas?

Essentially, you are referring to "safe havens" that you say the Afghan insurgency operates from.

So in other words, assuming this to be the case, your issue is why isn't Pakistan further clamping down on these specific "safe havens" that you speak of? So Pakistan, despite serving NATO/karzai interests currently, should further spread the war out to other Pashtun areas aside from FATA?

Your issue is why has Pakistan not been able to fully establish their state control over these Pashtun areas?


So you are saying that these safe havens count as Pakistan support for the Afghan insurgency? and that to remedy this, Pakistan should go further than Musharaaf and bombard these areas completely with their jets??

Ok, got it.

So despite the fact that the Pashtun regions on both sides are focused on in this war, you are not satisfied enough?

Right?


You want more war to spread in these areas? You want the Durrand line to be enforced?

[MostafaM]

Have the steroids that have shrunk your primary genitalia an impact on your brain, too?

Seems so, Zahid-Hamid-Boy.

In the whole context of "Bohooo, western powers are meddling in our affairs" I made comment about the creation of your NaPakistan as the creation of the same circles you like to criticize.

NaPakistan is Frankenstein´s monster having it´s own agendas and being disobedient towards Dr. Frankenstein.

I am sure you get that.