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[roadrunner]

though israel is based on religious fanaticism and bigotry, why should Pashtuns go anywhere near it?

[randolph85]

Arabs had "modern weaponry" against Israel at around 1967?

Are you kidding me? Or do you think they had genie lamps?

Arabs had Soviet era junk against a well armed Israeli regime.

What they lacked was unity

what u aren't aware of, apparently, is that the arabs had modern soviet weaponry. the arabs that fought israel had unity, what they lacked was tactics.

[randolph85]

Secondly, Israel, putting aside their political know how, lacks foresight

What are they going to do as every country around them become Sharia ?

Did they think the US had the economic capacity to prop their government up forever?

Tsk Tsk, what are they going to do now ? Kiss Chinas assss?

the same thing they did when every country around them became arab nationalists. while i hate israel and would love to see it gone, the greatest mistake is underestimating an enemy. israel doesn't need economic aid, it is already an economic powerhouse compared to its neighbors, what it benefits from is a special relationship with the US. a relationship that insures that they receive modern weaponry that the US doesn't sell to its neighbors, including saudi arabia. before there is a large arms deal with US friendly arab states, israel has to give the OK. look at the recent huge arms purchase of saudi arabia, israel made sure that they would not receive fighter jets equal or even close to equal to those that israel operates.

alsol, israel already deals with china when it comes to weaponry.

[Ghundal]

the same thing they did when every country around them became arab nationalists. while i hate israel and would love to see it gone, the greatest mistake is underestimating an enemy. israel doesn't need economic aid, it is already an economic powerhouse compared to its neighbors, what it benefits from is a special relationship with the US. a relationship that insures that they receive modern weaponry that the US doesn't sell to its neighbors, including saudi arabia. before there is a large arms deal with US friendly arab states, israel has to give the OK. look at the recent huge arms purchase of saudi arabia, israel made sure that they would not receive fighter jets equal or even close to equal to those that israel operates.

israel already deals with china when it comes to weaponry.

don't know what modern weaponry your talking about. In the time frame, the Arabs acquired World War 2 Soviet junk that was no match to the American arms and jets Israel was propped up with

Where exactly do you get your news from? Israel is a welfare recipient of the US?

They get billions and billions in US aid

It lacks it's own substantial resources

It is working because of the powerful Zionist lobby in the US

All Israel can do is make threats. Israel attacks weak nations but talks big with Iran.

Those friendly "Arab states" are going through change

China is not going to be big daddy for Israel. China is a business nation, they don't hand out welfare checks to nations without a return on their investment.

[randolph85]

don't know what modern weaponry your talking about. In the time frame, the Arabs acquired World War 2 Soviet junk that was no match to the American arms and jets Israel was propped up with

Where exactly do you get your news from? Israel is a welfare recipient of the US?

They get billions and billions in US aid

It lacks it's own substantial resources

It is working because of the powerful Zionist lobby in the US

All Israel can do is make threats. Israel attacks weak nations but talks big with Iran.

Those friendly "Arab states" are going through change

China is not going to be big daddy for Israel. China is a business nation, they don't hand out welfare checks to nations without a return on their investment.

you don't know what weaponry i am talking about? arab states that fought against israel were soviet aligned, their weaponry was soviet. israel's weaponry was american.

id hardly call israel a welfare state when its per capita economy dwarfs its neighbors. it has a defense industry that sells weaponry to turkey, india and even china.

israel destroyed syrias nuclear installation with absolutely no response from syria. there is a reason why egypt has basically vacated the sinai and syria hasn't taken back their golan heights, because they are weak against israels military capibility.

the arab state in my example, was saudi arabia, which is not going through any change. it also has the largest defense deal in US history.

and of course china is a business nation, hence it buys weapons from israel and has for several decades now, it doesn't care about ideology.

[Ghundal]

you don't know what weaponry i am talking about? arab states that fought against israel were soviet aligned, their weaponry was soviet. israel's weaponry was american.

id hardly call israel a welfare state when its per capita economy dwarfs its neighbors. it has a defense industry that sells weaponry to turkey, india and even china.

israel destroyed syrias nuclear installation with absolutely no response from syria. there is a reason why egypt has basically vacated the sinai and syria hasn't taken back their golan heights, because they are weak against israels military capibility.

the arab state in my example, was saudi arabia, which is not going through any change. it also has the largest defense deal in US history.

and of course china is a business nation, hence it buys weapons from israel and has for several decades now, it doesn't care about ideology.

Across the diplomatic world, it is fairly well known information that Israel has no proper economy at all, and that it's "economy" is propped up by US aid dollars- billions of it. Without US aid dollars, Israel sinks.
I'm not making some new found discovery here. It has been known for decades that Israel has no economy that is not propped up by US aid dollars


Israel sells US weapons ( not their own thought up weapons). In fact, it is generally agreed that Israels reason for 2006 war with Lebanon was to offload excess weapons.

In regards to the myth of Israel's welfare propped economy, you can read this. The second US cuts aid to Israel, it will collapse, and China is not there to be Israel's sugar daddy, and risk their interests with increasingly Changing governments in the region that will not be friendly to Israel.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/israel-and-palestine/135331-the-myth-of-israeli-economy.html

The Myth of "israeli" economy

Understanding the Myth of Israeli Superiority
The close relationship between the US and Israel has been one of the most salient features in US foreign policy for nearly four decades. The $3 billion in military and economic aid sent annually to Israel by Washington is rarely questioned in Congress, even by liberals who normally challenge US aid to governments that engage in widespread violations of human rights, or by conservatives who usually oppose foreign aid in general.

Although British influence in the Middle East has been replaced by American influence, the US is committed to protecting Israel, guaranteeing her security and securing a prosperous standard of living for the Jews living there. However this is not out of any moral obligation but due to strategic interests. It is these interests that have resulted in support of all types to Israel. With the population of the Palestinian territories forecasted to overtake that of Israel’s by 2019, Israel needs a strong economy to attract Jewish migration from across the world and then to maintain a high standard of living for them.

A cursory glance at Israel’s economy shows it is poor in natural resources; Israel depends on imports of oil, coal, food, production inputs and military equipment. Through a variety of agreements, deals and support from the West Israel has managed to develop the foundation of an industrial economy. With a population the size of Scotland Israel has an economy worth $185 billion. The European Union, US, Turkey, Mexico, Canada, Jordan and Egypt, have signed free trade agreements with Israel which means they all trade without any restrictions, which has helped Israel in procuring raw materials.

Foreign markets are critical for Israel. Due to having a very small domestic market (due to its small population) it is forced to search for foreign markets to generate wealth. Industrialised nations generally focus 10% of their economy towards foreign trade (imports and exports). However 30% of the Israeli economy relies on exports, which is very high. Israel’s main exports 10 years ago were Jaffa oranges and other agricultural products. Today’s exports are increasingly high-tech, an estimated 80% of the products Israel exports are high-tech and electronics components. However Israel is finding that it’s light years behind Japan, China and Germany in this very competitive sector. 40% of Israeli exports end up on US shores even though the US can make the same agricultural goods and computer hardware cheaper and of better quality.

Because of the strategic role Israel plays in the Middle East it has been spoilt with military hardware and technology which would have otherwise taken it decades to develop. Israel is reliant upon foreign nations and people for its survival, without which is simply could not exist due to the geographical challenges it face

http://www.haqeeqat.org/2009/08/19/u...i-superiority/

[randolph85]

israel exports about 60 billion dollars worth of goods a year, as of 2011. it has the highest per capita income in the middle east besides the uae and qatar. a few billion in economic/military aid is not a make or break issue. what is an issue, like i mentioned in my last post, is israels relationship with the US. its that israel gets advanced weaponry that no other US ally in the region gets. for example, the US will sell israel a modern 5th generation fighter jet, they will only sell saudi arabia and/or egypt a 4/4.5 gen jet.

i don't know where you are getting the info that israel has no proper economy. its gdp, exports, and per capita income says differently.

the problem here is that because you dislike israel, you want to play down their power, israel is powerful like i said before, if they weren't than egypt wouldn't of bitched out to them and syria would of taken back the golan heights. 300 million arabs vs 13 million israelis, and the israelis are still occupying arab land after decades and expanding.

israel is strong, no amount of bias against it will change that. we as muslims must stop downplaying israel and become stronger in every aspect instead of downplaying their strengths all the while they occupy muslim lands.

[Ghundal]

It has nothing to do with Whatever opinion I have of Israel.

I seriously don't know what world you live in. It is a well known fact that Israel is a US aid welfare state just like Jordan and just as Hosni Mubaraks Egypt.

This is not some news.

This has nothing to do with what Israel does or to whom they do it to

[randolph85]

i pointed out that israel has a large economy. now let me put this in numbers for you. israel receives about 3-4 billion a year in aid, egypt receives 1.5 billion.

except, egypt has a gdp of about 500 billion, with a gdp per capita of about 6,000 dollars. israel has a gdp of about 240 billion, with a gdp per capita of about 31,000 dollars. egypt has a population of over 80 million while the population of israel is around 8 million.

now do u really think that a couple billion dollars in US aid is the cause for this MASSIVE discrepancy in these 2 economies?

nations with gdp per capitas of over 30,000 dollars are not welfare states based on a few billion dollars a year in aid.

[Ghundal]

Israel exports are its imports ?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/17/world/middleeast/17israel.html

[randolph85]

now lets not forget the aid that syria gets from iran. why haven't they taken their golan heights back from israel if israel is weak?

this is why the arab nations while teaming together, massively outnumbering israel, lost to israel in 3 wars while matching them in technology thanks to soviet aid.

[randolph85]

Israel exports are its imports ?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/17/wo.../17israel.html

israel, like most nations, does not build its own fighter jets and other such ****. one of its biggest exports to nations such as turkey, are its drone tech.

the article basically said what i have been saying. 3 billion a year, and israel makes sure that other arab allies of the US does not receive weaponry which can challenge israels military edge.

The Israelis have some specific reservations about what equipment might be sold to Saudi Arabia, however, despite American promises that Israel will keep its “qualitative edge” regionally in military technology.

[Ghundal]

Did I say Israel is weak?

No

I said Israel is at the mercy of US aid dollars and over $30 billions in arms sales to it

So depending on the fluctuation of the US economy, Israel boat sinks or floats

It doesn't have much to its name

It's economy is supported by US tax dollars which in itself are supplanted by printed money which does not exist .

Foreign aid propped up economies are not integrated within the global economy , and are an expense at other nations costs

Ever since 1947, Israel has been a global charity case.

Cut the aid and military supplies, and Israel is no longer Israel

Selling weapons that were given to them freely is not called having an economy

They get billioNs in US military AID . They do not buy , but are GIVEN.

Biggest charity case in the world

[Ghundal]

And as I said, China is not interested in being anyone's sugar daddy, not Pakistans or Israel's
Truth is, the US no longer can afford to support Israel at the expense of the domestic economy .

Whose Israel's next sugar daddy? India ?

This is exactly why nations should never get addicted to foreign aid

In regards to Iran, all Israel can do is talk and make threats.

If they could have attacked Iran like they attacked Syria, they would have.

There is a reason they are running around like clowns begging for war on Iran

[abassinafghan]

one should consider the reason for unconditional love from the usa , in the first place , before trying to be an armchairgeneral

if 50 % of the american billionairs has got jewish roots and 10 % posses 90% of the wealth in the us , do you maths and then you can see where this political leverage comes from !!!

besides jews are smart people , they sent their children to school and pay alot of attention to their education , they learn hard , compare it with you average arab , he is lasy and struggels

i see it with my own eyes at the univesity , arabs are only good for going to dance and party or they are visiting day in day out islam seminars ( no not to masjid for munz , but islam seminars mostly wahabi style )

so they are getting not good grades and at the end of they day they finish and they are zeros in their masmoun .


but irony is , if you ask those people , they will start and bragg about how much hadiths they know , and tell you how important it is to be a good muslim and how to be one ( dont forget they are no alims or mullahs )

but if you ask them about their own arab history , the different caliphats , they centers of power , and most important about arab scholars

and their part of scince and accomplishements , they will stand there and
look at you and be silent or they will tell you how unimportant it is because the only history to know is the one of the salafi ...bla bla bla


it sad that a society which was known for openmindness and scientific progress , where religious leaders encouraged people to invent and research ,turned out to becom a society of lasy ignorants who has no hobbies than "who knows the most hadith ", " who can say mashallah ,
estagfirullah" or "who can dress up the most salafi like "