Taliban seek constitutional role for Mullah Omar

[Karachi]

question, why has mullah omar never showed his face in public?

[Karachi]

He remains on a list of fugitives sought by the United States for their role in the 9/11 attacks, and is alleged to be hiding out in Karachi under the protection of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate.

I thought he would be in Quetta or some where in Balochistan.

[badmash_khel]

This doesn't work like this. The words of Allah SWT are eternal.

The Noble Qur'an is not a constitution which will be abroged or adapted according to the present situation.

These are the eternal and absolute purified words of our Lord.

ANA soldiers are guilty of high treason and they should be prosecuted for this.

Even if this doesn't happen in our lifetime, they will be judged in the Day of Judgment.

It is only a matter of time and I'm not angry about it.



ANA is currently an army made of apostates who work for Satan.

It should be dissolved and the Noble Mujahideen should burn down anything and everything no remnants of the old regime must remain standing!

Then a brand new army with soldiers pleding alliegence to Tawhid should emerge.

Things are not black and white in real life Hanif. I will be honest that I don't know the full truth but there are reports from human rights groups and eye witness reports regarding the brutality of Taliban against Shias in northern Afghanistan. Many of the same shias have joined ANA to take their revenge on the Taliban. Majority ANA I agree are just there for the money but there are some personal scores to settle as well.

Taliban are not angels Hanif, they have also commited atrocities and should also be brought to justice and should be those ANA soldiers who have commited crimes. Do you think all members of the Taliban are pure ideologically driven muslims? I don't think so. Many people joined Taliban to gain power and also settle tribal rivalries. Its not as simple as good vs bad.

I know many people who were called communist but they used to pray and were good people. Majority of those so called communists didn't even know what communism stood for. They only knew that communism meant Dodai(bread), Jamay(clothes) and kor (house). Those people were simple people who thought communism was compatible with Islam because their idea of communism was totally different to that of atheist elite communists. As soon as they saw the true face of communists they swtiched sides and became mujahideen.
What I am trying to say is that things are sometimes complicated and ordinary people due to ignorance and other factors do things which they shouldn't.

The same people who are today ANA will fight in a jihad tomorrow when the Americans leave.

Its a sad situation when muslims are fighting other muslims. But mainly I blame the leaders such as karzai and other criminal thugs and commanders but not so much the ordinary soldiers.

I will leave it upto God to decide who was on the true path and whose intentions were right.

I am not the one to convince. Allah Almighty clearly said that the people who sided with Kuffars are apostates.

Every single ANA soldier will be accountable for his acts on the Day of Judgment.

It's up to them to try to convince Allah SWT.

I am just a slave of Allah SWT telling the truth.






I think it's clear that they prefer to die as shaheed.

I think it's clear that they choosed the afterlife over this life.

Just like me, I don't think they want control.

They just want to please their Lord and be granted paradise.

I don't think that someone who wants to control anything would blow himself up.

The Taliban fought against Ismael khan (governer of Herat), was he a muslim or not? of course he was. Ismael khan was a mujahid from Soviet Jihad but the Taliban still attacked his province. Many thousands of Taliban died near Shindand (Herat) because stupid decisions of Taliban to attack another muslims ruler. who is responsible for the deaths of those taliban soldiers who died in vain?
Ismael Khan was one of the only few successful governers in whole of Afghanistan and was running Herat successfully with trade booming with Iran. The Taliban put micky mouse illiterate village mullahs in places where they didn't belong. How can a madrassa student run the ministry of finance? Read Mullah Zaef's book. He says many times he was put in positions he didn't belong.
This sort of behaviour is totally unacceptable and we saw how Afghans almost starved to death during those years with drought and economic hardships.

Between 92-94 Afghanistan had an Islamic government made up of former mujahideen who fought against Russians. The Taliban fought against those mujahideen and refused to share power with Rabbani and Massoud. Were these two not muslims?

Who are we to say who was in the right and who was in the wrong. The Taliban mercilessly bombed and shelled kabul to try to take it over. Many innocent people died. Why didn't Mullah Omar come to a compromize with Rabbani and Massoud. Why did he want total control? If that's not wanting power than I don't know what is.

[randolph85]

lol what the

no one who is not a talib and has power in afg would never accept this.

i think the taliban trolled the americans with that one

[Ghundal]

And I assume you are speaking of the Northern Alliance?

I dont recall any nation or political group being interested in talking with Karzai/Northern Alliance/ ANP nexus, do you?

I guess the "good life" really finished their zest for good, not that they had any to begin with now.

[Al Hanif]

Things are not black and white in real life Hanif. I will be honest that I don't know the full truth but there are reports from human rights groups and eye witness reports regarding the brutality of Taliban against Shias in northern Afghanistan. Many of the same shias have joined ANA to take their revenge on the Taliban. Majority ANA I agree are just there for the money but there are some personal scores to settle as well.

Taliban are not angels Hanif, they have also commited atrocities and should also be brought to justice and should be those ANA soldiers who have commited crimes. Do you think all members of the Taliban are pure ideologically driven muslims? I don't think so. Many people joined Taliban to gain power and also settle tribal rivalries. Its not as simple as good vs bad.

I know many people who were called communist but they used to pray and were good people. Majority of those so called communists didn't even know what communism stood for. They only knew that communism meant Dodai(bread), Jamay(clothes) and kor (house). Those people were simple people who thought communism was compatible with Islam because their idea of communism was totally different to that of atheist elite communists. As soon as they saw the true face of communists they swtiched sides and became mujahideen.
What I am trying to say is that things are sometimes complicated and ordinary people due to ignorance and other factors do things which they shouldn't.

The same people who are today ANA will fight in a jihad tomorrow when the Americans leave.

Its a sad situation when muslims are fighting other muslims. But mainly I blame the leaders such as karzai and other criminal thugs and commanders but not so much the ordinary soldiers.

I will leave it upto God to decide who was on the true path and whose intentions were right.

I agree in some areas brother.

I think when you wrote this you didn't read this yet :

First I want to say clearly that I don't support the Talibans as a group.

I always said that I support the Mujahideens. Which is very different.

The Mujahideens are the individuals fighting against the invaders.

It doesn't matter if someone among the people called "Talibans" did something evil, as individuals, those Mujahideens have full legitimacy as it is an order from Allah SWT to fight the kuffars when they invade muslim lands.

Everyone will be judged individually in the Day of Judgment.

I just want to add that the very 'human' reaction to say that they weren't aware of what they did is actually irrelevant because there are billions of Christians who aren't aware of what is Tawhid yet they will burn in hell eternally as mushrikuns.

The same can be said about NATO soldiers. All groups involved in this war will tell you they're only doing what they do in the name of Good.

No group will tell you that they're doing what they're doing in the name of Evil.

That's why what has an authoritative value of truth is and will always ultimately be the Noble Qur'an.

The Taliban fought against Ismale khan (governet of Herat), was he a muslim or not? of course he was. Ismael khan was a mujahid from Soviet Jihad but the Taliban still attacked his province. Many thousands of Taliban died near Shindand (Herat) because stupid decisions of Taliban to attack another muslims ruler. who is responsible for the deaths of those taliban soldiers who died in vain?
Ismael Khan was one of the only few successful governers in whole of Afghanistan and was running Herat successfully with trade booming with Iran. The Taliban put micky mouse illiterate village mullahs in places where they didn't belong. How can a madrassa student run the ministry of finance? Read Mullah Zaef's book. He says many times he was put in positions he didn't belong.
This sort of behaviour is totally unacceptable and we saw how Afghans almost starved to death during those years with drought and economic hardships.

Between 92-94 Afghanistan had an Islamic government made up of former mujahideen who fought against Russians. The Taliban fought against those mujahideen and refused to share power with Rabbani and Massoud. Were these two not muslims?

Who are we to say who was in the right and who was in the wrong. The Taliban mercilessly bombed and shelled kabul to try to take it over. Many innocent people died. Why didn't Mullah Omar come to a compromize with Rabbani and Massoud. Why did he want total control? If that's not wanting power than I don't know what is.

I am not a specialist of Afghan's history and I am, I say it again, not an advocate of Talibans as a group.

I only support fully the Mujahideens as individuals.

[randolph85]

the northern alliance aren't the only ones with power in afghanistan. like i said, every non talib with power. do u think even the likes of hekmatyar and hezb i islami would accept mullah omar as their leader? they are barely allies on the battlefield as it is.

[Ghundal]

the northern alliance aren't the only ones with power in afghanistan. like i said, every non talib with power. do u think even the likes of hekmatyar and hezb i islami would accept mullah omar as their leader? they are barely allies on the battlefield as it is.

The Northern Alliance "power" rest on the shoulders of a US occupation/war, a war that has thoroughly run its course.

thats not power. Thats like saying Shah Shuja had power.

I was not aware HIG was factored into anything

[randolph85]

power is power. shah shuja had power, regardless of how he got it. the northern alliance have power, the americans have power. if they didn't have power then there would be no negotiations.

do u think the hezb will just vanish once the war is over? do u seriously think a man like hekmatyar will accept such a position for mullah omar?

[Ghundal]

Maybe you have some news you can show here, but last I read, no one is interested in talking to Karzai or the Northern Alliance.

They are/were mere puppets

Puppets are pulled by strings and controlled by someone else.

Puppets do not have power. Puppets can not move by themselves.

When you can show me that there is eagerness for talks with Karzai/Northern Alliance then I will say they matter, but all they have ever been was sidedressing for a war gone terribly bad

[randolph85]

why do u think karzai said he wanted to side step the taliban and directly negotiate with pakistan after rabbani was killed? because he thinks pakistan pulls the strings. the same way the taliban think america pulls the strings of karzai, thus side stepping him and talking to the americans.

what, do u think the taliban will never have to talk to the afghan govt in the event of an agreement with the US? do u think karzai and the northern alliance will just suddenly leave afghanistan and the US will hand them the country?

this is the point of negotiations. its give and take.

remember when the taliban said they would NEVER negotiate with the US as long as they occupied the country. when i said the war would eventually end through negotiations and u called me a pro american uncle tom lol???

[Ghundal]

First of all, I do not know what you are talking about in regards to talks

BTW, the US said they would never talk to the Afghan insurgency

[randolph85]

and so what? we know the US lies, and i know the taliban lies but others believe everything they say. lets not pretend that the taliban, for years, didn't say they would never negotiate until a withdrawal.

so now we have the taliban and the US both going back on their words. welcome to the real world.

[Ghundal]

In war, truth is the first casualty

I don't really understand your point, if it hadn't dawned yet, these talks in Qatar parallel the Geneva talks

[abassinafghan]

if those donkey would have atleast some brains , they would retreat , take their retierement , let the daily business done by others and keep an eye on *lol*
what is happing from behind the scenes .

some people did just too much of mistakes to go again for it , besides i can not see what qualifies mullah okhar for being head of state or "religious" leader , something which never existed in this form in afghanistan .

there was the king , and there were the aliman , period no intermixing , i dont want to live in an second iran or saudi arabia .