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    France, Karzai urge NATO Afghanistan exit

    • by: From correspondents in Paris
    • From: AP
    • January 28, 2012 8:38AM


    France, Karzai urge NATO Afghanistan exit | Herald Sun





    FRANCE and Afghanistan will ask NATO to hand over all combat missions to the Afghan military in 2013, a year earlier than planned, French President Nicolas Sarkozy said.

    It signalled a sharp break by France, the fourth-largest troop contributor in Afghanistan, from its previous plans to adhere to the US goal of withdrawing combat forces by the end of 2014.

    The proposal was made a week after four unarmed French troops were killed by an Afghan soldier described as a Taliban infiltrator.

    Mr Sarkozy, who made the announcement during a visit by Afghan President Hamid Karzai, said France has informed President Barack Obama of the plan, and will present it at a February 2-3 meeting of NATO defence ministers in Brussels.

    Mr Sarkozy said he was planning a phone call with Mr Obama on the matter today.

    The effort comes at a time of widespread fatigue among European contributors to the 10-year allied intervention in Afghanistan, and would accelerate a gradual drawdown of NATO troops that Mr Obama has planned to see through until the end of 2014.





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    "We have decided, in a common accord with President Karzai, to ask NATO to consider a total handing of NATO combat missions to the Afghan army over the course of 2013," Mr Sarkozy said.

    The French leader announced his country's troops will withdraw by the end of 2013 and restart training missions on Saturday. Last week, Mr Sarkozy immediately suspended France's training missions and joint military patrols with Afghan forces following the shooting death of four French troops by an Afghan soldier on January 20.

    Mr Sarkozy also said France will speed up its own withdrawal timetable, pulling out 1000 of its current 3600 soldiers by year-end - the previous target was 600 - and bring all combat forces out by the end of 2013.

    With Karzai at his side, Sarkozy also said France would hand over authority in the strategic province of Kapisa, east of Kabul, where nearly all French troops are deployed, to the Afghans in March.

    Nick Witney, a senior policy fellow at the Paris-based European Council on Foreign Relations, said public support of the war in Europe started sliding fast after the coalition agreed to end the combat mission in 2014.

    "It has become more and more difficult to justify every single casualty, since it's now clear that these are wasted lives," said Witney, a former head of the European Defence Agency.

    "Most European policymakers realise that on a purely cost-benefit assessment, we would all leave Afghanistan tomorrow," Mr Witney said, adding that "it's difficult for any single government to break with its allies without being accused of lack of solidarity".

  • #2
    NATO can't defeat Taliban so they are going to leave and play Northern Alliance against pashtun to kill each other then divide Afghanistan? What if after that they will play start revolutions and divide Iran and Pakistan to form Pashtunistan and Balochistan.


    This is what I think because why would USA plan to leave Afghanistan without a reason? There is so much minerals in Afghanistan very suspicious for them to leave.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by hamid954 View Post
      This is what I think because why would USA plan to leave Afghanistan without a reason? There is so much minerals in Afghanistan very suspicious for them to leave.
      Brother they actually have a very smart plan. The answer was in Obama speech to the congress. They are going to reduce most of the ground forces, and leave only special forces with drone campaigns in Afghanistan. They will let the ANA carry out all ground missions and provide only air support. With high value targets they might use their special forces.

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      • #4
        don't they keep gloating as to how ingeniously they took over afghanistan with only some 200 soldiers on the ground back in 2001...

        They have 150,000 mercenaries there ...even if the uniform goes ...the black ops have blended in

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        • #5
          the withdrawal is real.

          covert bases are of no consequence when power projection is the purpose. Blending in? How?

          Its at its end because Afghans would not be doing peace talks for withdrawal- and that is all those talks will be about otherwise there would be no talks

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Alchemist View Post
            don't they keep gloating as to how ingeniously they took over afghanistan with only some 200 soldiers on the ground back in 2001...

            They have 150,000 mercenaries there ...even if the uniform goes ...the black ops have blended in
            I think these guys are going into a different advanced phase of modern war in doing things. From their various wars they have realized that conventional wars don't produce much (Or maybe their goal with conventional wars has been matched). They are now going to be like those Terminator machines, doing everything from above and letting their hired mercenaries do the dirty work on the ground.

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            • #7
              This has been the longest war in all of America's history.

              11 years!

              Elections are coming in the US.
              The citizens of these countries are demanding that their troops return now that obl's death has been advertised. So obviously Karzai has to publicly beg them to stay, so that NATO leaders can say to their people "Oh look ..we shouldn't abandon them...look at those puppy eyes karzai is making..how can you say no to that?"

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              • #8
                I found this picture on facebook are they planning to divide Afghanistan? Was the durand line not enough? I hope we don't get divided.
                Last edited by hamid954; 01-27-2012, 11:54 PM.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by R3SISTANC3 View Post
                  I think these guys are going into a different advanced phase of modern war in doing things. From their various wars they have realized that conventional wars don't produce much (Or maybe their goal with conventional wars has been matched). They are now going to be like those Terminator machines, doing everything from above and letting their hired mercenaries do the dirty work on the ground.
                  I think what they are doing now is shifting their active uniformed forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Giving them time to recuperate and strategize for their next target - Iran. They have two battalion of warships in the Gulf of Persia...I see the same pattern of propaganda that they did against iraq now applied against iran ... economic sanctions of this level at one point used to be considered acts of war. The threats are escalating on both sides.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by hamid954 View Post
                    I found this picture on facebook are they planning to divide Afghanistan?

                    That wont happen brother. The groups in FRK hate each other as much as they hate ethnic Afghans. If they create an Afghanistan with those borders it will lead into either a Pashtunistan or greater Pakistan. Afghans won't allow the later, and Pakistan won't allow the prior.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Alchemist View Post
                      I think what they are doing now is shifting their active uniformed forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Giving them time to recuperate and strategize for their next target - Iran. They have two battalion of warships in the Gulf of Persia...I see the same pattern of propaganda that they did against iraq now applied against iran ... economic sanctions of this level at one point used to be considered acts of war. The threats are escalating on both sides.

                      My personal opinion is that they won't go to war with Iran. Iran will probably have a regime change. The Ayatollahs will do that to remain in power and in good faith with the people. Iran is not divided like Iraq or Afghanistan. Secular or religious Iranians are very proud people. They will fight any invasion as a whole.

                      If Obama is elected a war with Iran is unlikely. If a Republican other than Ron Paul then possibly.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by R3SISTANC3 View Post
                        My personal opinion is that they won't go to war with Iran. Iran will probably have a regime change. The Ayatollahs will do that to remain in power and in good faith with the people. Iran is not divided like Iraq or Afghanistan. Secular or religious Iranians are very proud people. They will fight any invasion as a whole.

                        If Obama is elected a war with Iran is unlikely. If a Republican other than Ron Paul then possibly.
                        Watch this Webster Tarpley explains everything. the geopolitical goals of the Anglo-American Empire in Afghanistan Pakistan Iran - YouTube
                        Last edited by hamid954; 01-28-2012, 02:29 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Alchemist View Post
                          don't they keep gloating as to how ingeniously they took over afghanistan with only some 200 soldiers on the ground back in 2001...

                          They have 150,000 mercenaries there ...even if the uniform goes ...the black ops have blended in

                          Because in 2001 some tribal warlords and royalists in Pakistan organized themself with the help of US and moved from south-east into Afghanistan and from north they supported the Northern Alliance. These groups led ca 90% of the operation against the Taliban by themself. The remaining wre US air attacks.

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                          • #14
                            exellent analysis by webster.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by hamid954 View Post

                              Some bias in his speech but also some good points

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