No to Pakistan or Afghanistan we need our own country Pakhtonistan

[khyaal]

Dear Khyaal.

Pashtuns are a very much divided bunch of people. on what basis are you going to unite them?

On the basis of shared history, culture and geography, with all the minorities who have been living with us for centuries as our brothers having equal rights.

[Toramana]

On the basis of shared history, culture and geography, with all the minorities who have been living with us for centuries as our brothers having equal rights.

My great romantic nationalist friend, I appreciate your romance for the traditional Pashtun rural culture and your romantic presentation of the proverbial equality that the minorities enjoyed under the Pashtun domination, nevertheless no non-Pashtun considers that account of history correct and almost all of them see the racist Afghan Millati agenda of the establishment of Pashtun hegemony and revival of Pashtun Empire concealed in the stance you show here.

A Pashtun state is what is the natural thing. When you live in a room of your own, that cannot be called self-centerdness...It is that you want to maintain your auatonomy and organize your life according to your desires. What is true of individual situation is also true of group life.

In fact, Pashtun Land is the only option for Pashtun Culture to survive although, it seems Pashtuns will realise this in a hard way when they would loose more in the futile struggle for supremacy over others disguised as brotherhood etc.

[khyaal]

Do you think minorities like Khidr would want to remain with us? He has expressed a big fat no.

I don't know whether he really is an afghan or just an imposter. If he is, you will see maverick everywhere not in afghanistan alone.

[khyaal]

My great romantic nationalist friend, I appreciate your romance for the traditional Pashtun rural culture and your romantic presentation of the proverbial equality that the minorities enjoyed under the Pashtun domination, nevertheless no non-Pashtun considers that account of history correct and almost all of them see the racist Afghan Millati agenda of the establishment of Pashtun hegemony and revival of Pashtun Empire concealed in the stance you show here.

A Pashtun state is what is the natural thing. When you live in a room of your own, that cannot be called self-centerdness...It is that you want to maintain your auatonomy and organize your life according to your desires. What is true of individual situation is also true of group life.

In fact, Pashtun Land is the only option for Pashtun Culture to survive although, it seems Pashtuns will realise this in a hard way when they would loose more in the futile struggle for supremacy over others disguised as brotherhood etc.

This super moralist approach to politics exists nowhere, it is purely utopian. We don't see any hegemonic machinery within the hands of minority to oppress majority Pashtuns, nor Pashtun/afghans till this time have felt afghan minority as their liability. So, please, be realistic about national issues and don't unwittingly play enemy's (Pakistan/Punjab's) card against afghanistan to weaken afghans' integrity.

[Khidr]

Yes do not worry, I am sure you will find better Opportunities in Tajikistan which is already dying of hungar, or maybe in Russia, where Skinheads are already killing you and beating you on the streets.

I want a Sole Pashtun State, where all Pashtuns rule, other than that you are feel to go to Tahran, or wherever you want, but Kabul and Herat will always be ours.

You know what, knowing what I know about you now and judging by this reply of yours...I wasted 5 precious minutes of my life writing that response to you and trying to engage you in a sensible contructive discussion. It's clear based on just heresay from your own people, that you aren’t mentally stable. So I won't take your response to me or the recent surge in your trolls against what you percieve to be my interests ( those poor Tajikistanis LOL and Ahmad Shah Massoud LOLL) seriously.

In saying that, your claim over Herat and Kabul is kinda cute and flattering. It gives me much pride knowing that a Pakistani kid from Waziristan has heard of my Herat and Kabul, and yearns to oneday be incorporated within its boundaries. Maybe one day, if your lucky enough...you too can be a Herati or Kabuli.

I guess after this post, now I will be your online enemy number one I will give the poor Talibs of this board a well deserved break lol

[Khidr]

^ For those that know me, will tell you that I'm anything but an "ethnic nationalist."

I could not think of anything more boring than being in a room/area/country full of one type of people speaking the one language, having the one uniform physical features and having the one uniform politcal opinions.

[Khidr]

I have always understood (if not condoned) why financial or physical or intellectually pride can exist in people.
Maybe if one worked hard to put himself in a better financial position or in a stronger/admirable physical status or intellectual state than another human, he has at least the right to THINK I’m better for I have achieved this and so n so hasn’t.
But racial pride is sooooooo corny and 1 dimensional, since it’s purely luck of the lottery and all people will be proud of their heritage and there is no difference.
I find, usually the ones who fall back on racial pride are the ones who lack any sense of intellectual, physical or financial (amongst other things) pride...
Just my opinion

[abdul]

yes, that is true about racial pride. Its ok to be proud, but not to let it consume one's whole identity. One has to be about ideas as well.

Racism is a deadly disease, but cultural pride is ok because it promotes good morals and values.

cultural pride can lead to racism
in ancient times the romans and greeks consider them selfs superior than the rest calling them barbarians

iranians consider them selfs superior than other because of the persian empire

even we pushtuns consider our self superior than the rest in certain thing

racism can be found in any culture

[Manzareh]

I hate it when iranians etc call them selves persian, its like an italian calling himself Roman or some European saying he's a viking, you dont see pashtuns walking around saying ther Pactyans lol sounds stupid

[abdul]

I hate it when iranians etc call them selves persian, its like an italian calling himself Roman or some European saying he's a viking, you dont see pashtuns walking around saying ther Pactyans lol sounds stupid

no we boost about other things like great conquerers or killers of empires

ancient history is not a strong point of the modern pashtun
even if it was what do we boost about
the persian empire
ghandara
kamboya
Pactyan
the kushan
or the other empires that have existed in those areas or conquered those areas

[Catya Sher]

Interesting point.

What is kamboya, though-?

What did you mean by "killers of empires" - you mean empires that Pashtuns defeated ?

Or generals that killed lots of people ?

I think Iranians abroad started self-identifying as "Persians" after the fall of the Shah, when they did not want to be grouped with the revolutionaries.

But, maybe many did call themselves Persians upon arrival in America because few US residents had ever heard of Iran.

Even in the 1980s, despite all the headlines and upheaval reported in the region, so many Americans had no clue which country was Iran and which one was Iraq.
Let alone to find either one on a map would have been a rare feat for the bulk of the population.

I bet even today few Americans could actually locate Afghanistan on a world map without labels!

[abdul]

Interesting point.

What is kamboya, though-?

What did you mean by "killers of empires" - you mean empires that Pashtuns defeated ?

Or generals that killed lots of people ?

I think Iranians abroad started self-identifying as "Persians" after the fall of the Shah, when they did not want to be grouped with the revolutionaries.

But, maybe many did call themselves Persians upon arrival in America because few US residents had ever heard of Iran.

Even in the 1980s, despite all the headlines and upheaval reported in the region, so many Americans had no clue which country was Iran and which one was Iraq.
Let alone to find either one on a map would have been a rare feat for the bulk of the population.

I bet even today few Americans could actually locate Afghanistan on a world map without labels!

kamboya was a kingdom in north afghanistan and north pakistan

many pashtuns boost about how we beat the soviets in the past and now america is dying because of the war in afghanistan
other say that the pashtun territory's have never fully been conquered by foreigners

to be honest i don't know what the real name of the persian empire is
the name persian came from greek using the name of a city (persepolis its original name was parsa) for the empire
and from that time that area has been called persia by the west
so it isn't very shocking that many people didn't knew about iran

about you last point i agree with you just look at this video
YouTube - Americans are NOT stupid - WITH SUBTITLES

[Catya Sher]

^ The video is HYSTERICALLY FUNNY
Thank you abdul.
You're a character !

I couldn't get over the fact that they HAD a map of the world and the American man placed Iran looking to be off the shore of Australia...!

All the people that calmly recommended things like: "Let's bomb France because there SEEM TO BE --- FRICTIONS [?!!] between America and France"

No one knew what a Mosque was...and Israel was almost uniformly considered as a Muslim country by respondents.

Well, maybe this is a sign for the future. Inshallah, it WILL be !

This video was as alarming as it was a laugh.

I recommend everyone watch it at least for comic relief after a tough day .

Now I must admit: if the interviewer had asked me "Where is Kamboya" I would have flunked that.
I know about Gandhara but not that...

[Michin Khel]

On the basis of shared history, culture and geography, with all the minorities who have been living with us for centuries as our brothers having equal rights.

You are like robot, it feels as if some fixed data is put into your brain and you are speaking it like a parrot.
Try to think over wise words of toramana if you have the ability to think.

[The Shadow]

m16 you know its the 21st century and if u are dreaming of adding pakahtonkhwa to afghanistan so u r wrong...cuz they pakistan and never wants to be with us..and they did it during the Daud Khan's Gov...about Northren of afghanistan will be sweet dream for you too lol cuz the taliban tried it b4 too....