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    Asia Times Online :: South Asia news, business and economy from India and Pakistan

    Feb 13, 2010

    How the Taliban pressed bin Laden
    By Gareth Porter

    WASHINGTON - Evidence now available from various sources, including recently declassified United States State Department documents, shows that the Taliban regime led by Mullah Mohammad Omar imposed strict isolation on Osama bin Laden after 1998 to prevent him from carrying out any plots against the United States.

    The evidence contradicts claims by top officials of the Barack Obama administration that Mullah Omar was complicit in bin Laden's involvement in the al-Qaeda plot to carry out the terrorist attacks in the United States on September 11, 2001. It also bolsters the credibility of Taliban statements in recent months



    asserting that they have little interest in al-Qaeda's global jihadi aims.

    A primary source on the relationship between bin Laden and Mullah Omar before 9/11 is a detailed personal account provided by Egyptian jihadi Abu'l Walid al-Masri and published on Arabic-language jihadist websites in 1997.

    Al-Masri had a unique knowledge of the subject because he worked closely with both bin Laden and the Taliban during the period. He was a member of bin Laden's Arab entourage in Afghanistan, but became much more sympathetic to the Afghan cause than bin Laden and other al-Qaeda officials from 1998 through 2001.

    The first published English-language report on al-Masri's account, however, was an article in the January issue of the CTC Sentinal, the journal of the Combating Terrorism Center (CTC) at West Point, by Vahid Brown, a fellow at the CTC.

    Mullah Omar's willingness to allow bin Laden to remain in Afghanistan was conditioned from the beginning, according to al-Masri's account, on two prohibitions on his activities: bin Laden was forbidden to talk to the media without the consent of the Taliban regime or to make plans to attack US targets.

    Former Taliban foreign minister Wakil Ahmed Muttawakil told Inter Press Service in an interview that the regime "put bin Laden in Kandahar to control him better". Kandahar remained the Taliban political headquarters after the organization seized power in 1996.
    The August 1998 US cruise missile strikes against training camps in Afghanistan run by bin Laden in retaliation for the bombings of two US embassies in East Africa on August 7, 1998, appears to have had a dramatic impact on Mullah Omar and the Taliban regime's policy toward bin Laden.

    Two days after the strike, Omar unexpectedly entered a phone conversation between a State Department official and one of his aides, and told the US official he was unaware of any evidence that bin Laden "had engaged in or planned terrorist acts while on Afghan soil". The Taliban leader said he was "open to dialogue" with the United States and asked for evidence of bin Laden's involvement, according to the State Department cable reporting the conversation.

    Only three weeks after Omar asked for evidence against bin Laden, the al-Qaeda leader sought to allay Taliban suspicions by appearing to accept the prohibition by Mullah Omar against planning any actions against the United States.

    "There is an opinion among the Taliban that we should not move from within Afghanistan against any other state," bin Laden said in an interview with al-Jazeera. "This was the decision of the Commander of the Faithful, as is known."

    Mullah Omar had taken the title "Commander of the Faithful", the term used by some Muslim caliphs in the past to claim to be "leader of the Muslims", in April 1996, five months before Kabul fell to Taliban forces.

    During September and October 1998, the Taliban regime apparently sought to position itself to turn bin Laden over to the Saudi government as part of a deal by getting a ruling by the Afghan Supreme Court that he was guilty of the embassy bombings.

    In a conversation with the US charge in Islamabad on November 28, 1998, Wakil Ahmed Muttawakil, Omar's spokesman and chief adviser on foreign affairs, referred to a previous Taliban request to the United States for evidence of bin Laden's guilt to be examined by the Afghan Supreme Court, according to the US diplomat's report to the State Department.

    Muttawakil said the United States had provided "some papers and a video cassette". but he complained that the video had contained nothing new and had therefore not been submitted to the Supreme Court. He told the charge that the court had ruled that none of the evidence that had been presented warranted the conviction of bin Laden.

    Muttawakil said the court trial approach had "not worked" but suggested that the Taliban regime was now carrying out a strategy to "restrict [bin Laden's] activities in such a way that he would decide to leave of his own volition."

    On February 10, 1999, the Taliban sent a group of 10 officers to replace bin Laden's own bodyguards, touching off an exchange of gunfire, according to a New York Times story of March 4, 1999. Three days later, bodyguards working for Taliban intelligence and Foreign Affairs Ministry personnel took control of bin Laden's compound near Kandahar and took away his satellite telephone, according to the US and Taliban sources cited by the Times.

    Taliban official Abdul Hakeem Mujahid, who was then in the Taliban embassy in Pakistan, confirmed that the 10 Taliban bodyguards had been provided to bin Laden to "supervise him and observe that he will not contact any foreigner or use any communication system in Afghanistan", according to the Times story.

    The pressure on bin Laden in 1999 also extended to threats to eliminate al-Qaeda's training camps in Afghanistan. An e-mail to bin Laden from two leading Arab jihadis in Afghanistan in July 1999, later found on a laptop previously belonging to al-Qaeda and purchased by the Wall Street Journal, referred to "problems between you and the Leader of the Faithful" as a "crisis".

    The e-mail, published in an article by Alan Cullison in the September 2004 issue of The Atlantic, said: "Talk about closing down the camps has spread." The message even suggested that the jihadis feared the Taliban regime could go so far as to "kick them out" of Afghanistan.

    In the face of new Taliban hostility, bin Laden sought to convince Mullah Omar that he had given his personal allegiance to Omar as a Muslim. In April 2001, bin Laden referred publicly to having sworn allegiance to Mullah Omar as the "Commander of the Faithful".

    But al-Masri recalls that bin Laden had refused to personally swear such an oath of allegiance to Omar in 1998-99, and had asked al-Masri himself to give the oath to Omar in his stead. Al-Masri suggests that bin Laden deliberately avoided giving the oath of allegiance to Omar personally so that he would be able to argue within the Arab jihadi community that he was not bound by Omar's strictures on his activities.

    Even in summer 2001, as the Taliban regime became increasingly dependent on foreign jihadi troop contingents, including Arabs trained in bin Laden's camps, for its defense against the military advances of the Northern Alliance, Mullah Omar found yet another way to express his unhappiness with bin Laden's presence.

    After a series of clashes between al-Qaeda forces and those of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU), the Taliban leader intervened to give overall control of foreign volunteer forces to Tahir Yuldash of the IMU, according to a blog post last October by Leah Farrall, an Australian specialist on jihadi politics in Afghanistan.

    In late January, Geoff Morrell, the spokesman for US Defense Secretary Robert Gates, suggested that the United States could not negotiate with Mullah Omar because he has "the blood of thousands of Americans on his hands", implying that he had knowingly allowed bin Laden's planning of the 9/11 attacks.

    Gareth Porter is an investigative historian and journalist specializing in US national security policy. The paperback edition of his latest book, Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam, was published in 2006.

    (Inter Press Service)
    There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

    Sayyid Qutb

  • #2
    How convient that this shows up at a time when US is negotiating whith Taliban. -_-

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Khostai View Post
      How convient that this shows up at a time when US is negotiating whith Taliban. -_-
      How coincidental, that wedge they are driving is getting far.

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      • #4
        This is old news. The date of the article is February 2010
        The article reveals that there was no real relationship outside of political asylum .
        Last edited by Ghundal; 01-21-2012, 06:22 PM.

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        • #5
          If this is true, it means that Osama and his people took advantage of the Taliban. I never understood this relationship. If Osama was responsible it means he went behind Mullah Omar back to do this and is responsible for all that happened. If he wasn't responsible why acknowledge the 19 hijackers and make them certificates as Ayman al-Zawahiri said in his video? So was Osama lying to Mullah Omar?

          The Arabs before the Taliban took over Kabul were the guests of Sayyaf, Rabbani and Masood. Only when the Taliban came across them during their conquest that they were given shelter because of their role in Afghan Soviet Jihad. Prior to that there is little evidence if they had any connection.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by R3SISTANC3 View Post
            If this is true..

            It's not, it's all built on the speculation of an australian bookworm called leah farell - although she's not mentioned in the article. She's been peddling this crap for a while now - you know why? cos if you're going to have a book to sell soon, then either write one against islam or try to aggitate a group enough that's currently in the headlines to a produce a defence mentioning you - it'll make you millions and you'll be the next big counter terrorism analyst head hunted by statfor or some governmental agency.

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            • #7
              It is based on facts .

              Rabbani invited Osama to Afghanistan.

              Osama was in Kabul. Taliban took over Kabul as Rabbani and Masoods forces retreated

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              • #8
                In any case, Taliban would never "hand" anyone over who seemed political asylum.

                Pakistanis did though

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by KhyberKhan View Post
                  It's not, it's all built on the speculation of an australian bookworm called leah farell - although she's not mentioned in the article. She's been peddling this crap for a while now - you know why? cos if you're going to have a book to sell soon, then either write one against islam or try to aggitate a group enough that's currently in the headlines to a produce a defence mentioning you - it'll make you millions and you'll be the next big counter terrorism analyst head hunted by statfor or some governmental agency.
                  I read this in a few articles, one book, and a documentary about Chechen and Arab mujaheddin who fought during the Soviet-Afghan war. The narrative goes that when Osama was being forced to leave Africa Sayyaf and Rabbani visited him and asked him to come over to Afghanistan. Prior to that Osama met these guys on a Hajj while he was just a religious student. There he heard about the Afghan Jihad against the Russians.

                  Maybe all of that is inaccurate, but an interview with a Taliban rep after 9/11 attacks, the rep said that Osama came to their hands by chance while as a guest of the NA. So they talked to their ulema and was granted stay in Afghanistan because of the situation for Osama else where in the world. They did not know him before that, but knew about his status.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ghundal View Post
                    In any case, Taliban would never "hand" anyone over who seemed political asylum.

                    Pakistanis did though

                    What is the truth about Osama marrying Mullah Omar daughter, or was it Mullah Omar marrying Osama daughter? The speculation was that Osama son married Mullah Omar daughter in Kandahar but that turned out to be the daughter of his second in command, Mohammad Atif.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by R3SISTANC3 View Post
                      What is the truth about Osama marrying Mullah Omar daughter, or was it Mullah Omar marrying Osama daughter? The speculation was that Osama son married Mullah Omar daughter in Kandahar but that turned out to be the daughter of his second in command, Mohammad Atif.
                      Not much is known about Omar's family or other relatives for that matter.

                      I think Tayeb Agha is his son in law though

                      It may or may not be true. Western media always guesses without information

                      I actually don't think much of anything is known about any Taliban figure outside speculation

                      Due to the presence of only one valid picture and video footage, no one even knows how Omar looks like (pictures were/are not allowed)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by R3SISTANC3 View Post
                        I read this in a few articles, one book, and a documentary about Chechen and Arab mujaheddin who fought during the Soviet-Afghan war. The narrative goes that when Osama was being forced to leave Africa Sayyaf and Rabbani visited him and asked him to come over to Afghanistan.
                        You've studied well.


                        It was a delegation from Afghanistan who visited Sudan and *INVITED* OBL and his egyptian counterparts to come to Afghanistan, amongst them were sayaff, Hekmatyar, younis khalis and many more, all were in contact with rabbani the then prime minister in 1996 who had no objections with his return. Sudan was facing sanctions because the USA suspected OBL was behind the attempted assasination of Hosni Mubarak in Egypt.

                        Two major ironies worth noting:

                        1) Hosni Mubarak is considered the devil personifed the world over now, he's wheeled into court monthly at the behest of US which have no objections as they've used him like a tissue paper and jumped on the arab spring bandwagon, this will soon change once they don't get the right soon of democratic parties they want. But back then when the mujahideen were actively trying to rid this monster from his known barbarism, the USA put sanctions on any country that supported them.

                        2)The commies that cry day on night on this forum about how arabs are coming to afghanistan unwelcomed, when in fact it was the pashtun chieftains under the stewardship of rabbani that went out their way to fly out to AFRICA to welcome their old mujahideen guests, of whom many gave up their lives, wealth and familes to come to Afghanistan to fight the soviets. History is amazing, but these commie revisionists will find anything to push demogogic themes, as we know that their true target is Islam.

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                        • #13
                          lol

                          do you really think the talib lalas were so stupid , if it was just for one single arab play boy aka cia operative they would have hand him long ago .

                          to loose their positions to loose their power to loose their income , for such a wannabe commandante who lost touch with reality ?

                          of course , it was just an alibi to invade , and we have seen , where they found him , last year ....


                          besides some people should come to reality , the armchair ghazians start to become annoying ...

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