Gran mesher mehmud khan achakzai speech in afghan aman jirga

[pir_Rokhan]

The reality of Afghan bhagora murdabad is totally misunderstood. It was not aimed at hating or disowning Afghans because Mahmood Khan and all nationalists own Afghanistan and not Pakistan and ideologically consider Pakhtunkhwa as an occupied land. The Pakistani establishment spares no chance to defame the nationalists and that was one incident in which something which was said in a positive sense was populalarised as negative.

What was actually meant was that Afghans who fled Afghanistan and took shelter in Pakistan was the script of the ISI. Their refuge was enchashed by pakistani military milking the US and deceiving the world community and it was agaisnt the national interests of Afghans because fleeing Afghanistan meant leaving the ground to the so called Mujahideen,most of whom were ISI and CIA backed as historically doumented in book like for example "The Bear Trap" by Mark Edkin and Brig Yousaf.

It was at that time that if the ISI backed Mujahideen were defeated then Afghanistan would not have been been ruined and devastated nor it would have lost the amount of soverignty due to lack of economic power which it used to enjoy before the US-Russian war.Also much of the loss of life and infrastruture and political structure which happened during those times could have been avoided. It was in this context that Mahmood Khan being a true Afghan discouraged those Afghans who instead of fighting for their land and country fled to Pakistan.

In Pashtun culture,it is sometimes necessary to use "peghor" as means to trigger and rejuvinate a person,group or nation and no one other than a leader has to perform this unpleasant job.

I hope the perspective is clear.

P.S: Smarty, hathyano saray tantay ma jopa.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Levanye, ask your dad or your uncle what ANP thought of Afghans after the soviet invasion.

Shlombay stop twising things here, ANP thought badly of ISI puppets from Afghanistan at the time who were being trained by ISI,CIA and other European Agencies.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

I like ANP, It is quite pro-pakistani party now

Are you sure your not Talal or that Max person? Can you speak Pushto?

[Afghan_Soldier]

Can any one tell me what "bhagora" means? Is this even a Pashtu word?

[Afghan_Soldier]

Maseed, so in your opinion ANP cares for Afghans?

No one cares for Afghans. Afghans should only and always count on themseslves. ANP seems to be a corrupt entity now anyway.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Maseed, so in your opinion ANP cares for Afghans?

Nobody cares for eachother, not even Afghans themselves.

ANP does not follow its original tenets established by Bacha Khan, they are just another Pakistani Political Party working for Minorities not just Pashtuns.

There is no such thing as a Real Pashtun Nationalist Party nor Movement.

[Nadir Shah]

I heard use to call Afghans baghora and now he calls himself Afghan. no. He try's to hard to be Afghan.

Please provide evidence as to when did the Graan Mashar call Afghans 'bhagorha'?

[Nadir Shah]

he should identify himself as pakistani rathar than afghan, afghanistan will give him nothing.

That is quite besides the issue. The goal of Graan Mashar Mahmood Khan is not to win a few seats or perks and privileges from either the governments of Pakistan or Afghanistan. Had he been interested in this, he would have accepted the Prime Ministership of Pakistan which Gen Musharraf offered him in 2002.

[Nadir Shah]

Many Afghans who lived in Quetta and Karachi as refugees, would beg to differ. It was his party who wrote on walls, and mazdas in Karachi that "Afghan baghora mordabad" his party was literally begging for public support to kick out Afghans. I still remember how an Urduspeaker, once told the bus driver to remove the sign "Afghan baghora moradabad" from his bus and how Afghans are our brothers. So lets analyze this,We have a Pashtun asking Afghans to leave, and a non-Pashtun of Pakistan kindly asking to remove it. Sad ain't it?

He talks the talk, But I fail to see the walk. This is my opinion and based on what I have seen with my very own eyes. In the 80's it was quite visible. But now astonishingly he is the first to chant for unity and progression for Pashtuns. So I am not quite sure if this is a publicity stunt, or if him and his party has really changed.

I am sure you are gravely mistaken regarding these events. You must keep in mind that there are other forces who stand to gain from maligning and discrediting genuine Pashtun leadership. The wall chaking were primarily the work of Baloch nationalists/Marxists who were on friendly terms with the government of Afghanistan. Graan Mashar supported the Afghan Government in Kabul too but he would never call Afghans 'bhagorhas' or adopt any stance detrimental to the interests of Pashtuns/Afghans. Secondly, let me give you an example of how the forces that I speak of malign our words. Mukhtar Khan Yousafzai, the Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa president of PkMAP, said regarding the drone attacks : 'We will support drone attacks because they are necessary to remove and clean the Central Pashtunkhwa (FATA) of Arab, Uzbek, Tajik and Chechen terrorists (Tahir Yusheldev etc). But we do not support any civilian casualties'. The next day the newspaper 'Jang' ran this story : "Ham Drone Hamlon Me Shehri Jaano Ke Nuqsaan Kee Muzamat Karte Hain : Mukhtar Khan Yousafzai'. As you can see, the forces never want the genuine Pashtun leadership to strengthen. Such underhand tactics are known to be the forte of the Pakistani establishment.
Secondly regarding practical measures. The genuine political independance movements develop in stages towards their ultimate goal. Currently, assessing all the forces/geo-political realities, the need of the hour is political education and mobilisation of the Pashtun masses, which Graan Mashar and his party are doing very effectively and to the best of our capabilities, I assure you. We have the most radical pro-Pashtun/Afghan manifesto and every speech of Graan Mashar is full of truths exposing the Pakistani establishment. Should the need arise of even more drastic measures, Graan Mashar and Pashtunkhwa MAP, will be at the forefront of any struggle, I assure you.

[Nadir Shah]

ANP and Achakzai allied themselves with the government in Kabul (btw Achakzai party is PKMAP, not ANP). They used to call it a fasaadh. Don't blame them for that. It wasn't only ANP, but a lot of others as well. The tragedy is that when it came upon swat and other areas in fata, the refugees there were treated like dogs. They were protests in Sindh to kick them out. This isn't an ANP thing, unfortunately IDPs and refugees got the worse end of the stick (however, let us not forget the people of mardan and swabai were very hospitable).

Now like Pir Rokhan has said, and this is on record, that Achakzai was the only politician in Pakistan that did not sell his backside to ISI. This in it of itself is a major achievement, considering they are the political godfathers of Pakistan (hec even some of the so-called mujahideen sold to them or America as well). They also, protested the interference of FC soldiers into Afghanistan (back in the early 90s I believe, the FC were going to enter Afghanistan in Afghan army clothing from Quetta, Watanpal knows this event well).

BLS Malgariya, there is one subtle difference of grave consequence though. PkMAP and Mashar Mahmood Khan have always called the Afghan Fassad a 'Punjabi-Afghan Jang' rather than calling it 'Da Shpunku Inquilaab' or 'Daa Zamung Jang Na Dai'.

[Pokhton]

he is a great leader and all afghans should respect this man.
even the taliban the diffrent groups from nothern alliance etc listen to this man i remember when he and asfandyar visited jalalabad and kabul and spoke on a jirga karzai and abdulla abdullah and many other american puppet goverment ministers listen to him
tribal chiefs from paktia important people came to this jirga.
we have not enough mahmood khan's in afghanistan

[єѕαρχαι]

All these leaders have one motive , money and power.

[Nadir Shah]

Can someone list his achievements. It seems like he is all talk from what I have witnessed.

In these uncertain, troubled and dangerous times, It may not be rational to ask for a list of achievements. Before I speak on this, I would like to ask you what benchmark or scale are you using to judge him and PkMAP?

[Nadir Shah]

All these leaders have one motive , money and power.

Malgariya, had his motive been money, he would have accepted to be a lapdog of ISI before even you were born. Leaders and parties, who only have the motive of money and power, do not follow the discourse that Graan Mashar Mahmood Khan Achakzai and PkMAP follow.

[єѕαρχαι]

Malgariya, had his motive been money, he would have accepted to be a lapdog of ISI before even you were born. Leaders and parties, who only have the motive of money and power, do not follow the discourse that Graan Mashar Mahmood Khan Achakzai and PkMAP follow.

Could be fame...


Sorry i respect no leaders in current times.
This hate politics didng give us anything .

If i ever been able to do something for my pasthun people , i would rather do something positive.