US to divide Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran?

[hamid954]

A person can be dumb for not understanding the geopolitical goals of Anglo-American Empire in Afghanistan and other countries neighboring it.

Recently there were some reports that anti-government political groups are gathered in Germany which is hosted by German government and set by UK and US where they are planning to make Afghanistan a "Federal State" in other words to make a brother fight another brother and make it easy for Americans to rule us and never let our country be strong and united.

Recently US offered Taliban southern provinces to be under their control leaving the northern Afghanistan to other parties but Taliban refused such offer while today Afghan government also strongly condemned such plans for Afghanistan.

I ask would you like your Afghan brother in south or in north to suffer? Or would you like your own Afghan brother starving to death in East or West? Or would you prefer a united Afghanistan which will only be ruled by Afghans not by sold out afghan souls who gathered in Germany for the division of Afghanistan?


Weesa Daily

Requested by the United States and with the mediation of Qatar Monarchy, Taliban and Afghan Government conducted secrete talks in Dubai past week, a Pakistani Weekly said. The Afghan Ambassador to Pakistan, Mohammad Omar Daudzai was leading Afghan delegation. According to sources, discussions were focused on Taliban’s primary demands including release of their prisoners. The Pakistani Weekly further wrote that the United States plans to divide Afghanistan into three parts, keep central parts with itself, handover the northern part to northern alliance and leave the southern part to the national army and keep Pakistan away from all negotiations.




I want to hear your opinions on this topic.

[NokiaWnW]

We should not wonder why Afghanistan is running that path. 250years Pashtun oppression of non-Pasthuns, by Pakistan backed Taliban, political devision in Afghanistan promoted by the government, tribalism and tribal nationalism try to impose itself on others. At first, Pashtuns are guilty for such a situation trying and always tried to marginalize the own muslim brother. The Pashtun think as Pashtun than as a Muslim. But your question that people could suffer in south and north ... I can´t get it. What do you mean by it? Why should the south suffer when those criminals of north are living far away in a far distance to us or why should the south die of starvation or the north die of starvation? The northerners (non-Pashtuns) do not want Taliban, but Taliban are welcomed mostly in the south (Pashtuns). I´m sure that many Pashtuns too will side with the northerners, such the people of Nangahar, the Safis, northern Wardaks, many Pashtuns in Herat and Farah, the Balochs..

[Khostai]

^Afghanistans natural resourses are not evenly spread in the country. By spliting it, some parts would be rich other not. And northern part is better in agriculture, most of Afghan wheat comes from the north. Deviding a country just becuase some criminal individulas who are set up by US them self don't want to bring peace and stability is not an excuse. Taliban, mujhahidin, NA are all the same power hungry dogs, who don't care about common Afghans as long as there needs are satisfied. What we need is to execute al those criminals. And the border whith Pakistan must be secured.

[NokiaWnW]

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[NokiaWnW]

^Afghanistans natural resourses are not evenly spread in the country. By spliting it, some parts would be rich other not. And northern part is better in agriculture, most of Afghan wheat comes from the north. Deviding a country just becuase some criminal individulas who are set up by US them self don't want to bring peace and stability is not an excuse. Taliban, mujhahidin, NA are all the same power hungry dogs, who don't care about common Afghans as long as there needs are satisfied. What we need is to execute al those criminals. And the border whith Pakistan must be secured.

You are 100% right, bro. But the case is that majority of population, including many Pashtun tribes do not wish Taliban back. Unlike Taliban, who represent mostly the south, the NA or former NA represents the north and people will again back them. Not because Taliban at first are a threat but because of their ethnical background. However, the north is their lands and south ours. We failed to establish a state where equality and civility and democracy would be the core. Instead, we try to take over the government, asking terrorist like Gulbuddin Hekmatyar to send his men (nearly all the Wardak politicians) and take the positions of NAs. We again chose the way that once Taliban were running on. However, in general the man who have the gun makes the rules and laws. I heard that the government is ready to give some provinces to the Taliban. One in eastern Afghanistan and at least two in south Afghanistan. Maybe someone has more information on this?

[Khostai]

Steal partition is not a solution, Is see more damage to our peopel if we are devided than when we are in a one country. This deviding strategy is nonsence and I am strongly against it, even if we are suffering now we will suffer even more if we split up, I could imagine how much discrimination the smal groups of Pashtun are gona take when they will be under the control of the Tajiks and even worser the Uzbacks.

[NokiaWnW]

Steal partition is not a solution, Is see more damage to our peopel if we are devided than when we are in a one country. This deviding strategy is nonsence and I am strongly against it, even if we are suffering now we will suffer even more if we split up, I could imagine how much discrimination the smal groups of Pashtun are gona take when they will be under the control of the Tajiks and even worser the Uzbacks.

I just read another article. It´s not about partition as Karim Khoram claimed in his writing. It´s about installung a federal system in Afghanistan and replace the central government.

Discrimination can be find everywhere. That´s normal. Pashtuns discriminated Uzbeks and Hazaras and Tajiks or Nuristanis, too and our ancestors did many more to them, including land-grabbing from them and given those lands to Pashtuns. And let´s be serious. Pashtuns are discriminated on daily basis and many hundred thousands moved from north to south in the last 10years. Afghanistan can be rescued when we are able to establish a state without any ethnicity cards. Where people can get positions because of their skills and not because of their origins or tribal agendas. We need to see things from many perspectives, not only from our opponents perspectives.

[hamid954]

To everyone.. It is not Pashtun nor Balochi plan to divide it is the United States Plan. Pashtunistan Baluchistan these terms have been hyped and used a lot because the US wants to trigger a war and divide Pakistan.

I hope Pakistan uses it's brain and lets go Pashtunistan and Baluchistan free because the only way for US to destroy Pakistan is to cause a war within the country among ethnic groups.

We afghans should be careful not to be played as a puppet by the US against Pakistan like against the Soviets and other examples. Of course not to mention we can't afford another war. I hope Allah gives Afghanistan peace.

[NokiaWnW]

Honestly, it hurts but we can not deny it but Afghanistan is already deeply devided, thanks to Pakistan, US, Arabs and other rats like Taliban.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

Do not be fooled by this "federalism" talk. These same munafiqs who shaved their beards, wear suits and speak of "democracy" have now mastered a new english word

Federalism, if imposed now, would lead to the disintegration of the country. The NA knows this well

[NokiaWnW]

Do not be fooled by this "federalism" talk. These same munafiqs who shaved their beards, wear suits and speak of "democracy" have now mastered a new english word

Federalism, if imposed now, would lead to the disintegration of the country. The NA knows this well

Wouldn´t everyone of us be guilty for it by closing our eyes and accepting every lies, myths, fakes and slavery for Pakistan and Arabs against our own Watandar people, against our own brothers and sisters? Didn´t Taliban killed from an ethno-centric point non-Pashtuns or the 23 civil wars we had in only 100years because of strong tribal feelings and hatred against them? If federalism means peace and stability and equality than I am ready to accept it. Why should a Pashtun go to Faryan, into an Uzbek-Turkmen province and become a governeur while in Kandahar, Paktia, Zabul etc no Turkmen or Uzbek will ever become a governeur?! Those who want Taliban, let them, those who want democracy, let them and those who want their own system, let them. There is no proof that Afghanistan would desintegrate. Do you have any basics for that claim? It just mean that Karzai can no more chose terrorists and gulbuddinis in non-Pashtun regions as governeurs and non-Pashtuns will not be feeled like marginalized. Such things of course led to a destruction of a country. Some people do not accept that Afghanistan is a multi-ethnical country. The only threat that we will face at the moment will be the Pakistani lapdogs, called Haqqani, Taliban, Al-Qaida etc who may get their provinces in south-west. Have you heard that news, Amir Jan? All Pashtuns must be now strong and united against this evil force otherwise people like Karzai will sell us to Pakistana dnArabia. We will become a fifth province of Pakistan. What can we do? If people like Karzai serves Paki interests, isn´t it normal that non-Pashtuns react more aggressive? Damn, at the moment my heart is jumping up and down and I fear that Afghanistan´s future will be more darker than ever before.

http://kabulperspective.wordpress.com/page/3/

Look, they are already preparing and reorganizing themself and work on their propagations against the government. I think they are planning a coup
National Front Accuses Afghan Govt of Supporting Taliban - YouTube

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

Wouldn´t everyone of us be guilty for it by closing our eyes and accepting every lies, myths, fakes and slavery for Pakistan and Arabs against our own Watandar people, against our own brothers and sisters? Didn´t Taliban killed from an ethno-centric point non-Pashtuns or the 23 civil wars we had in only 100years because of strong tribal feelings and hatred against them? If federalism means peace and stability and equality than I am ready to accept it. Why should a Pashtun go to Faryan, into an Uzbek-Turkmen province and become a governeur while in Kandahar, Paktia, Zabul etc no Turkmen or Uzbek will ever become a governeur?! Those who want Taliban, let them, those who want democracy, let them and those who want their own system, let them. There is no proof that Afghanistan would desintegrate. Do you have any basics for that claim? It just mean that Karzai can no more chose terrorists and gulbuddinis in non-Pashtun regions as governeurs and non-Pashtuns will not be feeled like marginalized. Such things of course led to a destruction of a country. Some people do not accept that Afghanistan is a multi-ethnical country. The only threat that we will face at the moment will be the Pakistani lapdogs, called Haqqani, Taliban, Al-Qaida etc who may get their provinces in south-west. Have you heard that news, Amir Jan? All Pashtuns must be now strong and united against this evil force otherwise people like Karzai will sell us to Pakistana dnArabia. We will become a fifth province of Pakistan. What can we do? If people like Karzai serves Paki interests, isn´t it normal that non-Pashtuns react more aggressive? Damn, at the moment my heart is jumping up and down and I fear that Afghanistan´s future will be more darker than ever before.

http://kabulperspective.wordpress.com/page/3/

I am not saying federalism is a poor option. I in fact, believe only federalism can work for Afghanistan. So the points you raise in favour of federalism, I accept and agree with

My point is, there has to be a foundation for federalism to work. There has to be an effecient central govt. All armed forces have to be tied to the centre. There needs to be national sovereignty in place. There needs to be strong national institutions.

None of this exists in Afghanistan. If you loosen the ties between the centre and the provinces, as federalism requires, if the centre is not strong the loosened tie will break, and the country will disintegrate.

Just because we have had poor discriminatory central govts does not delegitimize the idea of a strong centre.

Afghanistan needs at least a decade of strong central governance before powers are shared to the provinces. During this decade , the capacity of the provinces to provide services will be enhanced

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

There is no doubt the country is on a war footing, and unfortunately I believe, as I have for the last decade, that another war is inevitable

The Taliban will never accept a carved up Afghanistan. I dont believe this one bit.

N. Alliance already have Kabul in their grasp though...not good news

[NokiaWnW]

Bro, read the following Google Translate It´s a translation into English from Switzerland German

[faye]

australia is run on a federalism system and we have local councils and state and federal governance. these are all voted for. the state representatives then have a say in parliament. i consider this system, similar to having tribal heads although how those tribal heads are chosen, may be different.
there is no way karzai should be choosing governors for a region. they should be representatives of the local people