USA responsible for Arab "revolutions" of 2011

[faye]

whether the west was involved in supporting dictators or not, these dictators had the choice of treating their people fairly and compassionately or not.
people in countries who are being oppressed and abused are calling for the west to come and save them. they are the ones giving america more power, constantly.
at least in the dumbass secular societies, when we change leadership, we don't need to have a freaking bloodbath. (not yet, at least)

[abassinafghan]

well i guess you suffer mental illness , let alone cognitive defecits .

1. i know your kind more than enough interessting you still live some where in france , england the usa ,etc .


i guess the 500 000 dead fellow country men were also happy when americans came to kick out saddam , and you were one of the first to applaude for the americans to kill your fellow citizens , steal your ressourcess
,right they dont steal it , you get 5 usd a barrel and the companies like 40 usd , anyways . and now shias and kurds run your coutry , but allhamdulliah saddam is gone , and who cares for the half million

2. i guess you now suppose to be god calling people kafir ? i mean you must know it , every one who disagree with you must die ? right

i guess you must be some thing like trinity , the father and the son and the holy spirit ?

3. talk for your self , the only one who got inferior complexes i can say are you , because every thing you just named , perfectly applie to you .

you are living in "kafir" lands ,probably of wellfare , so you are living of kafir zakat .

you think arabs , andespecially your people are the greatest , i really doubt your are an arab after all , i guess you dont even know your father .

after this you bragg about muslims , and how great muslims are .


so you taking pride of things and people for which you havent done anything , you havent done anything for being arab , and i am sure you are doing nothing for being a good muslims , besides calling people kafir , making death treats .

but we never hear what you have done or accomplished , let me guess there is nothing .

and i guess americans didnt removed gulf goverments ,because they are proper muslims , and establish shariat . and so they are not punished by allah thrue the americans right ?



you are a mentally disabeld , go look for some help .


@ the admins , melmastia and freedom of speech got its borders ,

a strange wanna be arab , comes here , i highly doubt he is arab at all , talks nonsence , no interest in afghan /pashtun culture , calling people day in day out kafir , and thinks only because he hasnt been kicked out , that he is right .

i guess thats irony , typical afghan behaviour towards strangers .... i doesnt want to know , why he is at no arab board but so active in here .

[faye]

[QUOTE=al-arab;574194]What are you talking about?

Answer me this simple question.

Is it better for usa to have puppet and secular dictators or Muslim parties who are chosen by people and who are anti-western and anti-secularists?

You think usa rule the world. Nothing could be far from the truth. China already are stronger than usa. The western world is slowly dying (less children are being born than people dying) and their economies are collapsing. Soon, Insha'Allah poeple will not emigrate there but stay in Eastern countries so they can be more developed and cut ties to a country that has caused the east many problems.

I am only interest to see those puppet dictators gone and that they are replaced by the will of people (Muslim parties). That is exactly what is happening. Who, how that happens I don't care as long as, as few civilians suffer as possible. QUOTE]

why should i answer your questions when you couldn't even answer the simple question i asked you, about the financing of your travels?
al-arab, you are becoming just another person on this forum who deviates, misinterprets, and misrepresents other peoples comments, to the point of being a liar.
did i say that i think america rules the world? NO! so stop doing this mindreading business, because you are not good at it. in other words- don't leave your day job. i would like to see all countries being governed by their own people, in whatever way they see fit.

[randolph85]

^
I fear the mujahideen will be used and then discarded once the goals are acheived. The only way for sharia to be established is because of indigenous movements where people themselves want change. Remember Allah (swt) doesn't change the state of people until they change themselves. In my personal opinion I don't think there is wide enough support for mujahideen to bring about the changes necessary. The recent bad press they have received and the control of the media in the kufar hands and puppet governments have deceived the people. The internet might change that somewhat because of its freedom must in most islamic countries internet will be censored in the name of religion and the truth will be hidden from the masses.

If these revolutions were truly planned and instigated by the people then why didn't the revolution in Bahrain succeed? is it a co incidence that no revolution has taken place in saudi arabia, biggest US ally in the arab world?

well of course the US will build new relationships with these islamic movements. the movements will not reject this, as they are political and know the benefit of good relations with the west. these states will no longer be the western forts that they used to be, on the other hand they will not be ideal islamic states either. this is the real world.

the revolution in bahrain didn't succeed because it wasn't a real revolution, or else they would still be in the streets today. the gulf arabs are relatively rich and comfortable compared to the non gulf arabs. not to mention that since the creation of the gulf states, there have only been one regime in place. this is different in non gulf arab countries, not to mention the political parties that operate in these countries such as the brotherhood. there is no organized political opposition in the rich gulf states.

[abassinafghan]

well that explains alot , daddys boy .

so you only rely on your partents financial support , with 20 years we can be sure , that you never worked on single day of your life , to support your self or your familiy . let alone you unborn children .

you suffer an identy crisis , and because you father takes care of all your expenses , you have enough time , to post nonsence .

grow up son , become a man , and stop being an child .

[faye]

I live in Jeddah and have lived in Arab countries all my life and was born in an Arab country (Iraq - Baghdad).

You are the one living in the West and pretending to be Western not me.
Idiot, I never supported the Iraqi war you clueless troll. In fact I have been the biggest critic of the war in fact you have not noticed. But since you are clueless I am not surprised that you have not read the several messages of mind on this subject.

Yes, I call un-Islamic people and racist like you what they are. Kafirs. And it should be the duty of all Muslims to expose people like you.

And I imagine you are an american pig that have never set a foot outside of his little hometown.

I am an Sayyid and from the Al-Hussaini tribe a branch of the (Banū Hāshim- بنو هاشم) clan.
My tribes linage has been traced for centuries and is verified by Kitab al-Ashraf. But I don't expect that you even know what that is.

But poor attempt to claim that I live in Europe and don't know my family history. Try harder next time troll.

Never hear what I have accomplished? Why should I tell what I have accomplished or not? I do not hear anyone here talk about that nor have I heard you?
But I can tell you what I have told everybody here from day 1. I study, I am married and Alhamdulillah expecting to be an father of two newborn children very soon at the age of 20.
What have you accomplished in your miserable live apart from trolling on the internet, being un-Islamic, lying and racist against Arabs? Not much.

Not shown interest in Pashtun culture? Maybe you should read some of my messages in the Pashtun DNA thread, Pashtun history thread. In fact I made a whole thread solely for the porpuse of asking about Afghan history.

Very active? Try and compare my few posts in 3 months to other non-Pashtuns here.
So yet again you are an exposed as an primitive liar.

Faye:

I have already answered you. My family whom I am travelled with. What do you otherwise expect when I am 20 years old and a student?
And why do you care which countries I have visited and what financial state I am in or my family? And why do you not answer my questions when I have answered yours?

And your accusations of putting words in other people mouth could be used against you as well so your claim is pretty weak.
Your behaviour is very strange for an woman who claims she is 63 years old with all respect.

I find it strange that up to 10-15 users have been discovered to be double profiles/trolls.

All those trolls did all they could to provoke me and other pious Muslims who confronted the anti-Muslims, atheist and secularist for their hatred of Islam. Where have people like Toramana and other countless trolls disappeared? Just today a well-known critic of Islam and Arabs was banned (thegood).

I also once was contacted by an user who spoke very badly Arabic but claimed to be from Jordan. Later what I thought (after seeing his Arabic was very poor grammaticaly) was true because the same user turned out to be an double profile.

A week before I was contacted by an troll (I still have him and the other person who claimed to be an Arab, their messages in my inbox)
This time also it turned out to be an user that had been banned but "enjoyed" to create several profiles to expose users as he said. He had several information about people.

As long as I have been on this forum there have been double profiles that had an agenda which have been banned every single week.

Therefore when I see profiles that have the same traits as those famous anti-Muslim and anti-Arab users I am sure that they are tring to provoke.

I discussed this matter with thor_khan and he confirmed that such problems exist.
I suspect this abbasingafghan to be one of them.

Also I forgot to mention another double profile that asked about my wife after I had helped him with Quranic Arabic.
This turned out to be an double profile after an discussion with brother thor_khan and he was banned.
That same user always thanked Soldat-Communists posts and shared the same views....

Conclusion:
There is an "gang" or what you call it in English here, on this page that are trying to undermine Islam and preach racism, secularism and atheism.
I find this development really bad for the picture of Pashtuns on the internet and I have voiced my concerns with other members and admins. The later claim that there should be space for all but when I and GOE are meet with death threats, are getting disrespected we have an problem. This has happened for a lot of other users who have defended Islam from those well-known anti-Islamic people.

I have an Arab friend from the University who is about to marry and Pashtun woman and I told him about this page long ago. But we have not spoken about the subject since but should I recommend him an Pashtun site I would not choose this because of the many Un-Islamic users and the widespread racism towards Arabs.

Unfortunately the admins/moderators do not enough to tackle this problem of racism in general.

I find that sad and not very Islamic. Yes, I agree that there should be place for all Pashtuns regardless of faith, political view etc. but they should not disrespect Islam and be racists. The later is not allowed in any society as far as I know.
And I expect to be meet with the same miserable users who have no life apart from internet despite them being 35-40 years old or older. DaZahrozaam something, Luffy (what is this for an name?), NokiaWnW (if he is not banned), Soldat-Communist and maybe the newest member of the "gang" Faye.

lol, sounds like you have decided to take over and run the whole show, become the dictator of pashtun forums.
perhaps we should call in some wahabis to give the admins a good lashing
the reason i ask about your travels is because if you were 2 years old, 5 years old etc, at the time of going to all these countries, it means nothing, as you would not have been capable of comprehending and remembering all of what was there.
lying again, about me putting ideas into other peoples brains is not one of my defects.
the lifestyle i have led allows me to have a very flexible brain and thought patterns. of course this would appear strange to those who are not that way inclined.
if there is any inference here that i am anti-muslim or anti-arab...forget it. that is not in my head. your projection perhaps.

[faye]

sorry kid. i had you mistaken for a wannabe dictator.

see, THERE YOU GO AGAIN.. projection. i am not an atheist.

by knowing how much you know helps me know you.

[faye]

yes dear, i had noticed.

[Karachi]

Maybe we need an Saddam figure against atheists, secularists and first of all un-Islamic people who use every opportunity to mock and laugh of Islam and spread hatred, propaganda and lies.

You are all right Faye, no harm done. I am not that dangerous although I am an Arab and you know, some people have their prejudices on this forum.

lol joke of the century from an idiot

Saddam himself was secular you idiot, even your baathist party is mostly secular and based on secular ideals.

you are the most stupidest person I have seen in a long time. At least think a bit before your post

[Karachi]

And where have I said that Saddam was not secular your stupid cow worshipping Indian kafir.

I used Saddam as an metaphor for an staunch figure that could fight un-islamic people like you on this forum, fool.

Faye:

That is good.

You love Saddam you moron, admit it. You are the biggest Kafir here

[faye]

do you have proof that we have a stupid.. cow worshipping..indian...kafir....on the forum. please show us if you do.
i do believe your prophet also gave advice about not continuing conversing with thos e you consider ignorant. is it not so?

[Karachi]

I have already explained my opinion an view of Saddam in a serious and honest matter for persons who asked me of the same. Apart from that Saddam was an devout Muslim himself but preferred secularism because he wanted to protect all the minorites that lived in Iraq such as Assyrians, Yazidis etc. so that he could control and Iraq that was united. Later on he became more conservative and shariah law was widely used in rural areas and even in Baghdad. But this has always been the case even today. And no, Shariah law is not only about punishment but dictates every single part of our lifes from marriage to religous duties (fiqh jurisprudence) I guess you have never heard about those things but now you have. This is controlled and regulated by the ulama and enforced by religious scholars (qadis) all over the country.

You may also not be familar with qiyas and ijma. But that is expected since having an serious discussing with you with the knowledge you have an anti-Islamic stance is impossible.

^lol, atleast you admit you love him, now admit this, are you a baathist too? your arab superiority is visible in every post, which clearly says you are a arab nationalist/baathist.

Then why are you preaching Islam here, that's the question, what does arab nationalism have to do with Islam? what is your agenda mixing arab nationalism with Islam?

[faye]

this s*** has become like a broken freaking record. give it a rest will you. if you don't like karachi and what he has to say, put on ignore and vice versa. stop wasting our and your time on the forum.
al-arab, please, just put all the racists, secularists, atheists, indians, and liars on ignore. then you will be contented (with no-one to argue with)

[faye]

ok, so tell us about your travels and the insights you gleened when you were 2 years old.

[faye]

my porpoise here is to give you love, son.