What does Pakistan want in Afghanistan?

[torkham]

Omar, Gulbuddin and the rest of the thugish terrorist are such coward creatures that noone take them serious. I doubt that the blind ''Amir'' exists. In my opinion he is played by either one or many ISI agents. Even his so-called ''close ministres'' have never seen him. How comes? Where is he? Why other people do not fear death and risk their life day by day and accept or even welcome death but these creatures hide themself (Wali Karzai, Lal Mohammad Jan, Gn. Daud, Turyalai Wesa...). I smell US-Paki conspiracy. And if you type on google mullah omar you get at least 7 persons who have the same clothes but looks different from eachother, except their unwashed beards. Mullah Omar is just a myth, a fake, created to fool people and serve US-Pak interests.... and now see how some hypocrite monkies who live in secured West will jump up and down :D

not according to mulla abdul salaam zaeef, mulla omar is real. read his informative book 'my life with the taliban'. every organisation has a head, even if is as elusive as keyser sosa. . . . (just imagine as M.O. walks off pulling the fake eyeball out and adjusting his real eye back to blend in normal life)

however M.O.s persona has been used, till recently, as a reason for americans to continue their operations.

[NokiaWnW]

not according to mulla abdul salaam zaeef, mulla omar is real. read his informative book 'my life with the taliban'. every organisation has a head, even if is as elusive as keyser sosa. . . . (just imagine as M.O. walks off pulling the fake eyeball out and adjusting his real eye back to blend in normal life)

however M.O.s persona has been used, till recently, as a reason for americans to continue their operations.

Zaeef is self part of that mashinery, part of this propaganda. Where is the difference between him and any other Taliban wannabe Jihadists? ... since you read that book, can you please scan the page of the book where he writes about Mullah Omar?

[graveyardofempires]

pakistani involvement/influence in Afghanistan is nothing but exageration and close to a myth.

it has been debunked yet many persist with propaganda and offcourse pakistani state is more than eager to make a good use of this lie created by the foreign invaders of Afghanistan.

[NokiaWnW]

Deny reality .. you Internet Jihadist hahaha the entire world has revealed your heroes faces and you still keep on them? Muhahahahaha How old are you?

[graveyardofempires]

Deny reality .. you Internet Jihadist hahaha the entire world has revealed your heroes faces and you still keep on them? Muhahahahaha How old are you?

i dont blame you that you are ignorant,i would be too if i was guilable such as you.
no need to be internet jihadist to knwo th ereality but offcourse since it doesnt suite your world view so you may well deny it.

[asad71]

1. I have read a report in an Iranian document. It is on Qadyianiat. Just after this menace was begun, the disease nearly caught the Afghan small business class. The alem/religious learned were alarmed and had a sitting to discuss this. Firstly they decreed that this was not an issue involving the King/Govt. It was a religious/cultural issue.

2.The sought an answer in the Holy Quo'ran where it is clearly ordained that those who go astray and work against the Ummah are to forfeit life and property. Accordingly a day was selected to deliver justice in Afghanistan and Pakhtunistan. On that selected day 100% Qadyinais in Afghanistan/NWFP were eliminated in one go.

3. When the Qadyiani bureaucrat Chadhry Zafrullah became the Foreign Minister of Pakistan, the Masih/chief of the Qadyianis ordered him to create never-ending disputes between Pakistanis and Afghans.

4. Gen Iskandar Mirza, Ayub Khan and other Pakistani leaders and Afghan King Zahir Shah had made several sincere efforts to patch up differences - which are really more psychological than physical. However, this seems to have always gotten sabotaged inside by a Qadyiani dominated Pakistan establishment.

[Talal]

The answer to the question would be; to prevent what Afghanistan wants in Pakistan

at least the generals think so

[NokiaWnW]

The answer to the question would be; to prevent what Afghanistan wants in Pakistan

at least the generals think so

No matter what Afghanistan, particularely Pashtuns (nationalists), want from Pakistan is not important and Afghanistan will never be able to be a threat to Pakistan. The question is, why Pakistan is promoting ethnic hatred in Afghanistan and why they want Afghanistan beeing part of Pakistan? Pakistan´s fear from non-Pashtuns is ridicolous. Those never have supported any threat to Pakistan or had any claims on Pakistani ground or wanted to destroy Pakistan.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

pakistani involvement/influence in Afghanistan is nothing but exageration and close to a myth.

it has been debunked yet many persist with propaganda and offcourse pakistani state is more than eager to make a good use of this lie created by the foreign invaders of Afghanistan.

Ahahahhahah u gotta be kidding me. Exhibit a of why afghans are such imbeciles. After 30 yrs we still have dumb kids sayin nonsense like this

[graveyardofempires]

Ahahahhahah u gotta be kidding me. Exhibit a of why afghans are such imbeciles. After 30 yrs we still have dumb kids sayin nonsense like this

yeah 30 years of your life in canada mr canadian.
so much does your pimptank pays you?

[Talal]

No matter what Afghanistan, particularely Pashtuns (nationalists), want from Pakistan is not important and Afghanistan will never be able to be a threat to Pakistan. The question is, why Pakistan is promoting ethnic hatred in Afghanistan and why they want Afghanistan beeing part of Pakistan? Pakistan´s fear from non-Pashtuns is ridicolous. Those never have supported any threat to Pakistan or had any claims on Pakistani ground or wanted to destroy Pakistan.

It's not as simple as that, in my opinion and to be very honest Afghanistan's interest in Pakistan isn't based on ethnic ties..those can be maintained with or without a border..Afghanistan's main interest in Pakistan is Karachi or Gawadar if not Karachi.. Pashtun nationalism is a means to achieving that end .. I am not tryin to be offensive or anything, only looking at it from a purely stratigic point of view.

But really I don't know what the Afghan Policy makers are thinking..how do they plan on unifying the Pashtuns across the border when Peshawar won't accept Kabul as the center and Kabul won't stand for any other city becoming the capital..not to mention you add Karachi to the mix that houses more Pashtuns than either of the two cities and then contains an even greater number of nonpashtuns

You realize how messy it has already become to single out one thing from another ?

[NokiaWnW]

It's not as simple as that, in my opinion and to be very honest Afghanistan's interest in Pakistan isn't based on ethnic ties..those can be maintained with or without a border..Afghanistan's main interest in Pakistan is Karachi or Gawadar if not Karachi.. Pashtun nationalism is a means to achieving that end .. I am not tryin to be offensive or anything, only looking at it from a purely stratigic point of view.

But really I don't know what the Afghan Policy makers are thinking..how do they plan on unifying the Pashtuns across the border when Peshawar won't accept Kabul as the center and Kabul won't stand for any other city becoming the capital..not to mention you add Karachi to the mix that houses more Pashtuns than either of the two cities and then contains an even greater number of nonpashtuns

You realize how messy it has already become to single out one thing from another ?

It´s correct that Pashtun nationalists from Afghanistan are looking for Karachi and Gwadar, an acces to the ozean, but reality is, that neither Karachi belongs to Afghanistan and Pashtunistan, nor Gwadar and these people are not able to change anything. The past teached us one thing. Afghanistan as a diverted and ununified country can not face Pakistan and has not the ability to claim on anything, thus Afghanistan and particularely Pashtun nationalists are not a threat for Pakistan. When Daud Khan beat on the Pashtunistan drum, Pakistan send his loyal partner, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. Later, the PDPA gave him an end shot. On Pak side, Islamabad doing great job by eliminating seperatists who at the same time propagate terrorism and destruction, even the killing of Muslims (Politization of Islam) in Pakistan to achieve their goals through lies, slanders, mass manipulation and Islam. This Durandline was always a problem for Afghanistan and we are to stupid to accept that. Diehard nationalists caused the deaths and migration of millions and they still play the same old game against Pakistan. In Afghanistan, non-Pashtuns will never allow such a step. They imposed the so-called Durandline with the British and they will again impose that as an official border between Afg and Pak. Before Pakistan get partitioned, Afghanistan will fall apart. Pakistan is on social and political things far educated than we are. Just see how they use ministries and persons from Karzai government, including Karzai himself, to work for Pakistan and against Afghanistan. They even use Pashtun nationalism against Pashtuns. The best thing is to make an agreement and everybody can live in peace side by side.

Cities like Karachi will never be part of Kabul. It is part of Sindh, and Gwadar part of Balochistan. Balochs do not tolerate the Pak army, why should they tolerate some bureaucrats and farmers to occupy their land?

[khushal]

Zaeef is self part of that mashinery, part of this propaganda. Where is the difference between him and any other Taliban wannabe Jihadists? ... since you read that book, can you please scan the page of the book where he writes about Mullah Omar?

Karzais father knew him very well. If M.O. was a myth and played by a pakistani general,
1)they would have given up bin landen and prevented America from setting up base and letting indian influence come to its western border.
2)they would have accepted the durand line as pakistan has been demanding from the beginning.
3)the pakistani general playing M.O. would have ordered H. Mehsud to stop attacks on pakistani interests.

on top of that no intellegence agency in the world denies his existance.

Zaeef was handed over to the Americans by the Paksitanis. You may not know too much about international law but once you accept someone as a diplomat like Zaeef was accpeted by the pakistanis, you would have diplomatic immunity. he can not be arrested nor handed to a third party. Zaeef has condemned pakistani involvement in Afghanistan and has described pakistans ISI as a cancer that has extended its roots deep inside Afghanistan but he has not denied M.O. existance.

So you have to come up with sources to back up your claim or else your going to be labled as a wacky conspriacy theorist.

[Afghanistan2010]

I want whole of hindustan (pakistan and india) and they are talking here about Karachi and this and that,wish that i do not success the ameer al mumeneen , i will enslave iran,india,tajikistan,pakistan ...and steal nuclear arms and use them on puerto rico hahaha ...

[NokiaWnW]

Karzais father knew him very well. If M.O. was a myth and played by a pakistani general,
1)they would have given up bin landen and prevented America from setting up base and letting indian influence come to its western border.
2)they would have accepted the durand line as pakistan has been demanding from the beginning.
3)the pakistani general playing M.O. would have ordered H. Mehsud to stop attacks on pakistani interests.

on top of that no intellegence agency in the world denies his existance.

Zaeef was handed over to the Americans by the Paksitanis. You may not know too much about international law but once you accept someone as a diplomat like Zaeef was accpeted by the pakistanis, you would have diplomatic immunity. he can not be arrested nor handed to a third party. Zaeef has condemned pakistani involvement in Afghanistan and has described pakistans ISI as a cancer that has extended its roots deep inside Afghanistan but he has not denied M.O. existance.

So you have to come up with sources to back up your claim or else your going to be labled as a wacky conspriacy theorist.

Mullah Omar, a Paki general, the Taliban a Pashtun nationalistic movement ... do you see the difference? If today ''Mulah Omar'' would tell his commanders to accept Pakistan or give parts of Afg to Pakistan, would the Taliban do it? Mullah Omar is just a spiritual* leader for them, nothing more. Zaheef self had never seen Mullah Omar.. or provide a source where he states he drank with the blind guy a cup tea!