Human rights violations, precendents and circumventions

[akbarkhan]

Written by 'Don Compos', this is one of the blueprints for the interrogation system employed by the CIA and US armed forces in the 'war on terror' -- a regime engineered to elicit debility, dependence and dread.

Below is an excerpt from a noforn CIA document, if you would like a copy let me know I can provide it.

[akbarkhan]

What unjustice happened to Hazaras?

They were subject to systematic oppression by nearly all administrations. Apart from being janitors and cleaners they were denied the right to hold positions in government institutions. All other communities were racist towards them seeing them as lowly, exploiting their position in Afghanistan the imperialism of America is now empowering them! Hence we will reap what we have sown!

[akbarkhan]

do you think its becuase they were different race or becuase they were shia, or both?

Both really, but the predominant factor has always been their ethnicity, hence, the very term 'hazara' has been turned into a slur. However, it would be incorrect to state that their Shia belief does not play any role in this. The bulk of the Hazaras are inclined towards Iran because of their belief, this is natural so it is the duty of the administration to keep them in check by strategizing good policies to reduce Iranian influence.

A good policy would have been to systematically disperse them throughout Afghanistan in a humane and honourable manner. This would have neutralized them and would have weakened their solidarity with our adversaries on the other side of the border, but no, instead our administrations have allowed them to create densely populated communities which have now turned into thorns.

[akbarkhan]

Isn't this a failure on our part that we haven't been able to integrate them into our society? Shouldn't we work on ways in the future to insure their rights and give them their share so they don't backstab us. Is it our politicians fault or the hazaras just don't want to integrate because they see us as different and our goals and their goals are different.? Why would they betray us if we treated them good and gave them their fair share. I think its as much our fault as its theirs. We need better policies towards them. We should integrate them as much as we can. We should give them no reason to turn to Iran and work for their intrests. I think this problem will be solved by integrating them into our society.

P.S. sorry for derailing this thread, i won't ask any more questions here regardng hazras.

No problem, please refer to my previous reply I have already addressed this.

Our failures are endless, we have failed to integrate people who are despised by our adversaries! Iranians can not stand Hazaras, they see them as lowly - yet still Hazara's run towards them attempting to seek solace in Shia belief as a result of our injustices and oppression!

[graveyardofempires]

Sangar khan,

What do you think of operation mongoose and northwoods? What human rights and international law violations were involved? Also to what extent did the US administration approve of the planned tactics?

Do we see an implementation of Operation Northwoods in current day political arena?

operation northwoods?

[graveyardofempires]

Think of any human rights violation that crosses your mind and I will see if I can provide you with evidence that US has committed it.

calling in airstrike on ANA in kunar

i bet you can never find evidence beacuse these things arent even reported

[kakargirl]

geneva conventions ,human rights only exist for the west not for anyone else look at whats going on in afghanistan who cares about those people no one where is geneva conventions oh i forgot its not the west this is happening to how dumb of me .

[faye]

torture...

i've been asking for years, "what, lie detector tests don't work on muslims????"
no excuse for torture and totally against democratic ideals. during the iraq war, after the claims of torture by the americans, one of them came to australia to encourage australia to approve 'torture'. i coul not believe this guy! as far as i heard he was considered a joke and ignored.
i read a report about the rape of a 14 year old iraqi girl by americans and was searching for info on what punishment they recieved. i accidently logged onto photos of an iraqi woman being raped by soldiers. the pics freaked me out and haunted me for ages. the poster said that american soldiers had made cards of photos of the women there and would swap them and put them on the net. the military then were trying to ban the cards being taken back to the us.
the story of that 14 year olds rape and murder is horrific and the men have been sentenced, 5 of them, i think, but not all were imprisoned.

[kakargirl]

i've been asking for years, "what, lie detector tests don't work on muslims????"
no excuse for torture and totally against democratic ideals. during the iraq war, after the claims of torture by the americans, one of them came to australia to encourage australia to approve 'torture'. i coul not believe this guy! as far as i heard he was considered a joke and ignored.
i read a report about the rape of a 14 year old iraqi girl by americans and was searching for info on what punishment they recieved. i accidently logged onto photos of an iraqi woman being raped by soldiers. the pics freaked me out and haunted me for ages. the poster said that american soldiers had made cards of photos of the women there and would swap them and put them on the net. the military then were trying to ban the cards being taken back to the us.
the story of that 14 year olds rape and murder is horrific and the men have been sentenced, 5 of them, i think, but not all were imprisoned.

faye if only the world had more people like you it would be a wonderful place but sadly thats not the case there are no human rights there is no geneva conventions i dont believe in it anymore after what iv seen in my home land it just dosnt exist it only exists for the west .

[faye]

thank you, kakagirl. i hope i can live up to such a compliment.
human rights is only for the selected few, even in the west. especially for the rich and the white!

[kakargirl]

thank you, kakagirl. i hope i can live up to such a compliment.
human rights is only for the selected few, even in the west. especially for the rich and the white!

well faye you won me over i agree with you 100% and you will live up to more than this compliment .

[faye]

i just had to look up white phosphorous. unbelievable! i knew it had been used by israel an gaza but didn't know the exact effects. burning into peoples bodies, down to the bone. after effects not fully studied. oh well they are just experimenting then, are they??!!
there is also the use of depleted uranium in iraq and now, afghanistan. i saw a documentary about birth defects and cancers in an area of iraq where this was used. the villagers were interviewed and deformaties shown on children.
a site i looked up...www.rense- HORRORS OF DEPLETED URANIUM IN IRAQ, gives the story of how wind and dust will carry this toxic stuff around the world.