Noorzai from centcom vs Gadoonwal from Pukhtunkhwa

[graveyardofempires]

Gadoonwal put an article explaining the situation of Pukhtane.

Noorzai jahani(two surnames)from centcom replied to him .

WHO DO YOU THINK IS RIGHT HERE?


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Gadoonwal
first of all
da pakistan pa kurso(choko) nast ghat ghat maran dey
da landamaran dey ma warza nezday
But this can also be used for the present karzai govt cus like pakistan his govt also serve the interest of west and not afghan.

Everyday pashtuns are killed like un-wanted animals in southren afghanistan and parts of pashtunkhwa watan and the ISI-CIA joint game now targeted the shai-muslims to start another war between poor afghans in the name of religion.
I hope afghans and pashtuns fully aware of this another dirty game of CIA AND ISI.

The corrupt and evil pakistani authorities helping and providing every source to the west to spread violence through ,,isi,,agents in afghanistan and pashtunland of east of durand.
The recent killing of punjabi soldiers on the pak-afg border was great news for paki authority to ask for more dollars.
A loyal slave like pakistan can not even think of fighting against US.
Pakistan without US aid can not even feed ,,daal,,to its army men.
It is all drama by punjabi authorities .
let me write that pashtu example of khan and nawkar,,,
1 saray kor ki nast woo merman warta owail sariya 4 di bachi dey dwa monga khan ta de woo waya chi zamong padi tankhwa (paiso) guzara na kagi pakar da chi tankhwa darta zyata key.
saray der kaharjan sho aw da khan hujray ta laro khan pa khpala hujra ki naast woo de sari (nawkar) pre salam wacholo aw warta owail khan zama padi tankhwa guzara na kagi da tankhwa rata sewa/dera ka kani nu?
khan warta owail ka na e nu sa?
wail khan pa hum dagay tankhwa ba guzara kawoom...
So more and more pashtuns will be killed in the name of this dirty war.
pakistan a westren creation is there to help the west by killing more afghans and pashtuns which will not just serve the interest of west but also the interest of pakistan to extend its boundries to the west in the future.
poor pashtuns of both side of durand will blame eachother and others the world will continue their laugh on us.

This is their agenda ,,ttp,,and other evils are there tools to kill us.

Think deep who is blowing himself for the good of pakistan and others?
These sucide bombers are not tajiks or punjabis but our pashtuns.They include pashtuns from both side not just one.
Ofcourse the orders and support coming from GHQ and other agencies but why they are doing this.
If afghanistan become a peacefull country today from north to south the whole nation wil ask the US to get out of their land but there are more then one players busy working fror their own agendas.
US want to stay in the region for its stratigic interests.
pakistan wants to occupy the whole of afghanistan so its westren border will not be used by india or anyone.
Their country will become stronger by invading aghanistan.The evil state of punjab will use holy islam.
India wants to get control of the main route of central asia passing through afghanistan.They also want to use afghan land against paksitan.India also taking full advantage of the situation.Iran wants to keep the west busy in afghanistan so they will never be able to attack them.
The arabs got their own agenda by using our land against west.
A rich land (pashtunkhwa and afghanistan) with poor people will ever see unity and peace?
waiting for that day,i hope ,,
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Today, 01:34 AM

Conspiracy theorists never shy away from connecting to or blaming on the West, in particular the U.S., every unfortunate incident or mishap under the sun. Mr. Gadonwal, do you not recall that when the people of Pakistan were experiencing catastrophic floods in 2010, conspiracy theorists and their followers were accusing the U.S of pumping some kind of underground water into Pakistan? On the contrary, the U.S was among the first countries to come to the aid of the victims affected by this natural disaster. Mr. Gadonwal, that conspiracy theory sounds quite outlandish to you today, does it not? Accusing the U.S of being the enemy of the Pashtun people is just as absurd as the above conspiracy theory. Please provide us with at least one legitimate reason which would support your theory. Otherwise, I am afraid to say, this is nothing short of another absurd conspiracy theory. Dear readers, the U.S has no reason to be an enemy of any certain ethnicity or favor one over the other in Afghanistan. The United States government and military do not favor one race over another in the United States military or in the rest of the country, and therefore we would not promote such a discriminatory outlook in Afghanistan either. Our mission in Afghanistan is to help the Afghan nation fight terrorism, and to restore the country from the ruins of the past 30 years of war.




Noorzai Jahani
D.E.T U.S Central Command
Tampa Florida
www.centcom.mil

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

noorzai doesnt believe what he says, hes just on payroll

[Zmarak]

One person cares not if he is right or wrong, only where his money is coming from.

[کیش]

Noorzai, is down for his money. I dont know if I can knock him for that.

[Talal]

Gadoonwal is a real person, Noorzai is one of those centcom bots ..they are on pretty much every major muslim social forum, not real people

[KhyberKhan]

Noorzai jahani neuters goats in kamdesh valley for a living when he isn't posting.

[Zmarak]

Has anybody else ever questioned whether or not these people are even from the ethnic group they claim to be? I know the one in question here writes fluent Pashto but any educated individual with enough motivation could learn a language and governments pay serious money, some may call this motivation.

[Millatpal Noorzai]

I hope i am not confused with Mr. Centcom by PF'ers. Apparent from his Pashto writing on PF and elsewhere, he seems to be who he claims to be, either from Herat or Farah province.

[gadoonwal]

thanks graveyard ,
There are many pashtuns from both side on the payroll of agencies.
They work day and night to make fool of others .
I have seen them with my own eyes how they defend pashtun enemies for their own interest.
It is the duty of every menari pashtun to stand with his own people and support them.
The corrupt agencies are busy pumping dollars into our leaders.
We should expose them no matter who they are.
we pashtuns are muslims and proud of that but not extremists.
These names are created by others to continue this dirty war on pashtun soil for their stratigic interests.

pashtun should educate eachothers of this situation.
From amu to abaseen pashtuns should stand with one vioce and one clear goal.
No matter what some ignorant people say but our priority is unity awarness and success for our people.
We will disappear from the world map if we continue following these thugs and agents.

why my schools in kunar,paktya,kandar,gazni,waziristan,swat,bajawor, mardan etc are the target?

[gadoonwal]

norzai jahani sb
The simple answer to all your question is that,,,,,,,
dollars brought you to this situation..

dear you are paid cia man,i know that for sure.

we pashtuns do,nt want invaders US,isi agents,iranians,arabs etc in our land.
did,nt your US open terrorists bases for extremists in pakistan.
i put one simple question to you.

your US is blaming pakistan for supporting talibs right and US know that for more then 10 years then why are they pumping more aid to punjabis and napak army?
if you know your soldiers got killed with paki weapon then why are you giving them aid and weapons?


come on your whole drAMA is fully exposed.
pakis and west playing a dirty game on pashtun soil.

The arabs are also supporting you in this game.

pashtuns are peacefull people with no history of extremisim or so.
take your arabs and isi dogs out of our motherland.
did,nt your US supported terrorists in libya against kadafi?

pakistan govt,army and extremists are living on US dollars

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I hope i am not confused with Mr. Centcom by PF'ers. Apparent from his Pashto writing on PF and elsewhere, he seems to be who he claims to be, either from Herat or Farah province.

Never, we could never confuse a true Pashtun (you) with a scoundrel.

[Soldat_Amir]

What is the difference between Noorzai broadcasting Pro NATO messages on Pashtun forums or members here who broadcast Taliban Messages such as Maiwand, UnknownPrince, Graveyardofempires etc etc etc why should suicide bombing supporters be spared but Noorzai mocked?

Talk about Equality of criticism being oxy mornic on here.

Sorry for my french!

[tor_khan]

Soldat. There is a difference.

Since Barakzai flagged up the issue, I've scrolled through a good sample of Noorzai's posts both in English and Pashto. My personal conclusion is that most amount to 'press releases'. The other significant issue, is the account holder, has barely used their PM systems. (For those interested, privacy assured, I 'see' the number of messages in your inbox/sent box - I do not see the messages themselves). With many of you I've shared the occasional message via your wall of by PM and I get the distinct feeling that I am, at least, not dealing with a bot. Not on this occasion, I feel.

As Admin and I stated in the thread raised by Barakzai, we do not act as a mouthpiece for recruiters - military, terror group or their affiliates. That is why it has been easy to say "No" to the offers of payment from the various outfits wishing to recruit Pashto/English speakers. Allowing people to have a strong opinion is not the same as allowing various kinds of war propaganda and to that effect, it seems sensible to close the Noorzai account. The forum needs to distance itself from the opportunism of others and again, I thank the various Members for flagging this up.

[Soldat_Amir]

Soldat. There is a difference.

Since Barakzai flagged up the issue, I've scrolled through a good sample of Noorzai's posts both in English and Pashto. My personal conclusion is that most amount to 'press releases'. The other significant issue, is the account holder, has barely used their PM systems. (For those interested, privacy assured, I 'see' the number of messages in your inbox/sent box - I do not see the messages themselves). With many of you I've shared the occasional message via your wall of by PM and I get the distinct feeling that I am, at least, not dealing with a bot. Not on this occasion, I feel.

As Admin and I stated in the thread raised by Barakzai, we do not act as a mouthpiece for recruiters - military, terror group or their affiliates. That is why it has been easy to say "No" to the offers of payment from the various outfits wishing to recruit Pashto/English speakers. Allowing people to have a strong opinion is not the same as allowing various kinds of war propaganda and to that effect, it seems sensible to close the Noorzai account. The forum needs to distance itself from the opportunism of others and again, I thank the various Members for flagging this up.

Dear Tor Khan vrora

I absolutely agree with you that this forum should never be used as a recruitment agency for any form of terror, politics or NATO propaganda, however I have never been custom to report members, I don't represent myself as the moaner type or the grumpy Jasus sort, however I have noticed Maiwand post many Mullah Omar statements now and then and I hardly see him discussing issues or posting comments regularly, however he seems to be shield against any criticism on his motives.

However, your the boss, I respect your view and I have no right nor any position to challenge the way you operate this forum, your doing a great job and manana for giving me this right to speak my mind.

Keep it up roara.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Dear Tor Khan vrora

I absolutely agree with you that this forum should never be used as a recruitment agency for any form of terror, politics or NATO propaganda, however I have never been custom to report members, I don't represent myself as the moaner type or the grumpy Jasus sort, however I have noticed Maiwand post many Mullah Omar statements now and then and I hardly see him discussing issues or posting comments regularly, however he seems to be shield against any criticism on his motives.

However, your the boss, I respect your view and I have no right nor any position to challenge the way you operate this forum, your doing a great job and manana for giving me this right to speak my mind.

Keep it up roara.

I premeditated you by a full 3 days. Did you even read the commentary as to why I raised the issue? Its reproduced below. The Taliban and the US military can have their independent detractors. Atheists and Islamists alike can have their views. The issue is affiliations here. As noted below, Maiwand's postings of the Eid messages of Mullah Omar dont constitute a direct order from Taliban Central Command to post these messages at forums. The London's Gaurdian article and the NPR article I posted shows clearly that Noorzai is a part of a concerted effort, that is, top down order to represent the official Army viewpoint. Most of us, including Omar's detractors have already seen these various Taliban releases in the news on outlets like CBS, BBC, Reuters, Al Jazeera, etc. This is not an official release crafted by Maiwand via some central shura design. Prior to posting these messages, Maiwand was also an active member.

In my opinion, if Osho writes an article called: Why I mentally support the American Army and think we all should... thats perfectly fine because its Osho is trying to post an essay for the sake of discussion.

If, in response person X posts an article called Why I think the Taliban have the Moral Imperitive in this War of occupation... that also is perfectly fine.

Neither of these approaches endangers the PF site or folks involved. You can go to Security Studies sites and see articles of similar calibre.

There was an individual about 8 months ago, I think he was called Salman, and he claimed he was officially Taliban and he posted supposed pictures of downed US Soldiers.

We raised the issue in regard to the Forum folks in regard to the fact that said individual may have represented actual active membership and... just like the Noorzai account, I believe that posting account was disabled.

But once again, I opened the Jirga thread for a large scale discussion to occur so that you could voice your opinion there.
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Original premeditated response on the other thread regarding the differences:

"Now, some may paste, in response to this, Maiwand's Taliban Eid Messages. They will say that the Taliban has its own set of various spokes people and defenders. That is disingenous I think. After all, Maiwand finds these in the same places we all do: on CNN, Al Jazeera, ABC, CBS, FOX, etc.
He has no actual links to the movement. He may feel sympathy for them, bu the has no financial, strategic, or geographic links to them.

The imbalance here is that were a Taliban spokesmen, say, even Zaeef, to post messages here, he would find himself traced and on the recieving end of a drone missile in his Wazir Akbar Khan house arrest home.

Mr. Noorzai Jahan on the other hand has free reign, not because of the moderators or the Administrator Khan's choice, but because of who holds power in the world today, to post as he pleases, without fear of reprecussion. So then, the discussion becomes one sided.

Furthermore, there is no requirement in PF that a post be done simply to generate debate. But most posts do generate a healthy debate between posters and responders that results in a back and forth. I for one have learnt a lot from the back and forths with Toramana, LZ, Scimitar, Graveyard, Soldat and all of you.

The US Army postings are merely action postings meant to convey the US Army viewpoint and leave no room for their representative to have to answer. So Mr. Noorzai will poste: 5 children killed in Farah province inadvertantly by drone strike. US deeply sorry for this action with a conciliatory tone. Three weeks later when an IED goes off in Helmand, he will post: US deeply sorry for Kandahar citizens who suffered the brazen attacks of terrorists. There is no analysis here, no reasoning, no reference points... just pure efforts of online US Army and Pentagon officials to execute their online propaganda war. Now and then, Mr. Noorzai will feel forced to answer a few queries, but rarely does he engage in meaningful debates in his written commentaries meant to influence populations here and abroad in an official capacity, on behalf of the US military."