Imran Khan Trojan horse from Punjab

[sanman]

[QUOTE=Ghundal;557695]

Actually, I think Barakzai and others here, including myself are simply favoring non-intervention in regards to the Muslim world, and, especially Afghanistan. That does not make one pro-anything at all.

Ohh, and you mean Pakis are not intervening in Pashtun lands, because Pakis are "pious Muslims"? Why make a distinction between their intervention and Gora intervention? Brits are the ones who carved Pashtun lands in two through imperial war, and "pious Pakistan" sought to inherit and perpetuate that injustice. Somehow their "Muslim piety" didn't get in the way of their own greed.

The onus is on you to get on the next Ariana plane and travel to Kabul, enlist in the ANA, and fight the Taliban, not on those who simply are opposed to US intervention in Afghanistan.

And your exclusive focus on US intervention means that it's okay for you to be blind to Paki intervention? You must be Pakjabi.

Historically the TTP was formed solely due to Pakistan's support for the US war and occupation of Afghanistan. Had Pakistan not supported the US war and occupation of Afghanistan, groups like TTP would not have taken up arms against Pakistan. According to the records, TTP goes against both the US and Pak Army, and they are no friends of the Karzai regime either just in case you were unaware of that.

Taliban came to Afghanistan from Pakistan. Taliban did not originate in Afghanistan, and were merely created through ISI recruitment.

In regards to Wazirs and Maseeds, they are simply doing what they have done since antiquity- unseating what they perceive as puppets in Kabul, and bringing an end to foreign intervention. That appears to be their aims.

Your preference seems to be for ISI-installed puppets in Kabul, because you're Pakjabi.

Imran Khan is simply going to disassociate from the US war, [blahblahblah]

Imran Khan is simply a pawn of the Pak military, who are rushing to come up with a new puppet in the wake of the Memogate scandal. Because of Zardari's secret memo to US, the Pak military are now intensely distrustful of him, and want him out. Imran Khan is their replacement candidate.

I assume you are referring to the US? Correct? Because I dont see any Punjabis running around Afghanistan, and everyone knows that terms such as "paki" are really code word for supporting a heavy handed war against Pashtuns.

Paki is a term that refers to you. You and the rest of the Pakjabi brotherhood. Taliban are simply remote control drones controlled by Punjabi masters. Hence their emphasis on "Islam" to try and drown out Pashtun identity, leaving everyone under Pakjabi control.

This is what Imran Khan intends to do, and it is highly logical. He has reasonably stated that Pakistan support for the US war is unacceptable, and he has also stated that the US presence in the region is the source of the problems.

US came because Pakis brought war to the region. Pakis created and brought in religiously brainwashed Taliban, and also brought in Arab AlQaeda for further brainwashing and cash. This led to 9-11 attacks which provoked the US. It's not like the US would have come otherwise. But Pakis and their unnatural nation always live through stunts and schemes, and when their schemes backfire on them, they try to blame everybody else on the planet.

Now, the questions I need to ask you is why are you so concerned about Pakistani elections? Leave the Pakjabis alone. Let the Pakis elect Imran Khan and end Paki support for the US war! Why is the decisions of that state so concerning to you? Oh, but I indeed know why.

You Pakjabis want to be left alone, but you don't want to leave others alone? You want the right to create brainwashed Taliban thugs to terrorize and enslave Pashtuns to serve the Pakjabi empire, but then when others fight back, you demand to be left alone? No, the best way to help the Pakjabis be left alone, is to smash their arrogance and then leave them alone to rot on the ashes of their folly.

It appears your opposition to Imran Khan is only based on his opposition to the US war and occupation of Afghanistan, and his stated determination to end Pakistan support for it, and end the war all together. It will be very hard for anyone to say these are not moral and logical principles to hold. Any position against this, is simply of those in favor of more war, and unless perhaps you have been living in denial, people do not want war and occupation, but an end to it.

In other words, you want Pakistan to elect someone who will continue to support the US war and occupation of Afghanistan. You want another Zardari or Nawaz Shariff. You probably have nostalgia for the biggest of them all- Pervez Musharraf to come back and give full support for the US war and occupation of Afghanistan?

Interesting is it not?

No, my basis for opposing Imran Khan is that Pak Army suddenly wants him as their man, following Memogate. Pak Army never cared for Imran Khan before, but now suddenly they are quietly backing him to the hilt. You and your Pakjabi masters never cared to support Imran Khan before -- only now after Memogate, he is suddenly your best friend. So you want Imran Khan so that you can support Pak Army agenda of keeping Pashtuns suffering permanently under ISI/Taliban war. Remember, war was there before US came - war was there because of ISI. Before ISI came, there was no war. The war will be over after ISI leaves.

Beacause again, Imran's opposition for Pakistan support for the US war and occupation of Afghanistan is the ONLY reason people like you are opposed to him, not because he was a playboy, or because he married a Jewish woman who converted to Islam.

Where is she practicing Islam now? Her conversion is a sham, just like Imran Khan's marriage to her was a sham, just like his own claim to being a Muslim is a sham. Look at his lifestyle - what kind of Muslim lifestyle is that? What kind of Pashtun is he? He's an adopted Pakjabi son. His family have been Pakjabi ever since his grandfather moved there. Pak Army which ignored him before is now suddenly supporting him, because they need US out and ISI kept in.

No, that has nothing to do with it, because if he was singing pro-US war anthems, people like you would be beating his drums non-stop

This is democracy buddy.


Your rules

War did not come with US - war was there before, thanks to ISI-created Taliban. Perhaps you don't remember that war was happening in 2000, 1999, 1998, 1997, 1996, 1995, 1994, 1993.
This is because you're Pakjabi, and don't care when your ISI is imposing war on Pashtun lands through its Taliban thugs.
After every Pashtun is speaking Punjabi as well as Imran Khan does, then you will be happy. You will dance in front of the Pakjabi masters while they nod in approval and toss coins to you.

[thegood]

Sanman, it is more appropraite using PakJabiWahabi

[Ghundal]

bottom line is why the heck do you guys care about Imran's election?

Why is it your concern? Who do you want to win? Mushraf, Zardari?

You want Pro-US war candidates to win?

[thegood]

bottom line is why the heck do you guys care about Imran's election?

Why is it your concern? Who do you want to win? Mushraf, Zardari?

You want Pro-US war candidates to win?

No we are against him because he is a supporter of Wahabi fanatics and terrorists that want to subvert Pashtun society.

[Ghundal]

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ohh, and you mean pakis are not intervening in pashtun lands, because pakis are "pious muslims"? Why make a distinction between their intervention and gora intervention? Brits are the ones who carved pashtun lands in two through imperial war, and "pious pakistan" sought to inherit and perpetuate that injustice. Somehow their "muslim piety" didn't get in the way of their own greed.

like i said i dont see bhangra dancing pakistan army occupying afghanistan. You can keep pushing forth a retarded narrative, but it will still be retarded.

The only reason to object to Pakistan is for their continued support for the US war and occupation of Afghanistan, and for Karzai (who was ferreted into Afghanistan abroad American choppers from Islamabad).

But, you on the other hand are simply opposed to Imran khan because he intends to put an end to Pak support for the US war and occupation.

The question is now why do are so keen on continued napak support for the us war and occupation of Afghanistan?

and your exclusive focus on us intervention means that it's okay for you to be blind to paki intervention? You must be pakjabi.

Excuse me, bu Pakistan supports the us war and occupation of Afghanistan with supply routes and airbases. Unlike you, I am adamantly opposed to their support for the US war and occupation of Afghanistan, and for their recognition of the illegal Karzai government which they helped prop up with the US.

taliban came to afghanistan from pakistan. Taliban did not originate in afghanistan, and were merely created through isi recruitment.

this is a complete lie. Prove to me that Punjabis disguised as Pashtuns , speaking and living pashto, ruled Kandahar for 4 years without incident. To push this narrative is to insult the intelligence of Pashtuns. Pashtuns have defeated empires, can not be outdone or outsmarted by anyone.

imran khan is simply a pawn of the pak military, who are rushing to come up with a new puppet in the wake of the memogate scandal. Because of zardari's secret memo to us, the pak military are now intensely distrustful of him, and want him out. Imran khan is their replacement candidate.

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Imran khan is against the Pakistan support for the Us war and occupation of Afghanistan. He refused a PM spot with Musharaf due to his opposition to Musharaf. He termed musharaf, bushs dog. Doesn't look like a Pakistani Army puppet to me, a man who opposed their wars in Waziristan, and the US war in afghanistan. He is adamantly against Pakistan participation in the US war in Afghanistan.

This is why you are opposed to Imran khan. It is the only reason.

Because he is opposed to slavery to the west.

paki is a term that refers to you. You and the rest of the pakjabi brotherhood. Taliban are simply remote control drones controlled by punjabi masters. Hence their emphasis on "islam" to try and drown out pashtun identity, leaving everyone under pakjabi control.

again,

Another retarded crapology myth pushed forth by those who want to impose a foreign ideology on Afghans. Islam is a part of Afghan history.

Buddy, this is known terminology used to discredit and deny Afghan/Pashtun right to self-determination

us came because pakis brought war to the region. Pakis created and brought in religiously brainwashed taliban, and also brought in arab alqaeda for further brainwashing and cash.

Actually, US intervention in the Muslim world/East has been going on primarily since 1953 with the US backed coup of Mossadeq. In regards to Afghanistan, it was Ahmad Shah Masood who invited Al-qaeda , not the Taliban. You can ask Amarulleh Saleh about this yourself.

this led to 9-11 attacks which provoked the us. It's not like the us would have come otherwise.

US has been intervening in the Muslim world, starting wars for as long as the recent record is relevant (Mossadeq Iranian coup, Gulf war I, gulf war II, Somalia, Yemen, etc.)

but pakis and their unnatural nation always live through stunts and schemes, and when their schemes backfire on them, they try to blame everybody else on the planet.

buddy, Ahmad Shah Masood invited Al-qaeda to afghanistan. This is a historical fact. You can triple check that. Again, US has been meddling in the Muslim world/ East for far too long, propping up tryants and Israel.

you pakjabis want to be left alone, but you don't want to leave others alone?

You support a heavy handed war against Pashtuns on both sides of the zero line. This is why you are opposed to Imran khan. You are content and happy with current Pakistan support for the US war and occupation of Afghanistan with supply routes and airbases. So your opposition has been previously based on the mantra of "not doing enough" to fight the Pashtuns. US wants Pak to do operation on Waziristan. Pak wont do it, not out of concern for Pashtuns, but because it will lead to a larger civil war within Pakistan.

you want the right to create brainwashed taliban thugs to terrorize and enslave pashtuns to serve the pakjabi empire, but then when others fight back, you demand to be left alone?

buddy, dont be coy with me. You are supporting a war against Pashtuns. No one buys this piece of myth you are propagating here.

no, the best way to help the pakjabis be left alone, is to smash their arrogance and then leave them alone to rot on the ashes of their folly.

why are you so concerned with Imran khan's election? Buddy, let pakistan vote? Why the heck does it matter to you who comes to power IN PAKISTAN? Tell me.

no, my basis for opposing imran khan is that pak army suddenly wants him as their man, following memogate. Pak army never cared for imran khan before, but now suddenly they are quietly backing him to the hilt. You and your pakjabi masters never cared to support imran khan before -- only now after memogate, he is suddenly your best friend. So you want imran khan so that you can support pak army agenda of keeping pashtuns suffering permanently under isi/taliban war.

again, you are here implicitly admitting now that pakistan army is not the real power in pakistan. With what you are saying, the assumption is you currently believe that Pakistan army is using Imran khan to come to power. So, you think Zardari is the most powerful man in pakistan, why? Because he is a US slave?

Buddy, Kiyani was as much as a US slave as Zardari, just not to the extent where he is willing to have a civil war start by agreeing to US demands for a North Waziristan operation.

Imran khan has been and is opposed to Pakistan Army war against Pashtuns. He opposed Musharaf, and called him the slave of the us. He was imprisoned for his outspoken opposition to Musharaf and the US war, and put under house arrest frequently.

Imran khan is opposed to Pakistan slavery to the US and to Pakistan support for the US war and occupation of Afghanistan. This is why you are opposed to Imran Khan. You even admit it continuously by terming an afghan insurgency as pakistanicentric.

You can try all you want, but you will never be able to convince anyone that afghans fight and die to place the green flag of pakistan at Kandahar. Buddy, wake up

remember, war was there before us came - war was there because of isi. Before isi came, there was no war. The war will be over after isi leaves.

spoken just like amarulleh saleh/Spanta/Hamid Karzai

where is she practicing islam now? Her conversion is a sham, just like imran khan's marriage to her was a sham, just like his own claim to being a muslim is a sham. Look at his lifestyle - what kind of muslim lifestyle is that?

I dont care if he is a homosexual, if he is a tranvestive. If he dances naked at night wearing liptstick, if he dresses as a woman from time to time.

He has been and is opposed to the US war and occupation of Afghanistan, and Pakistan's support for it. This is what is most relevant to people, and why his victory appears to be a given. Polls show that Pakistanis have been and are opposed to Pakistan's support for the US war and occupation of Afghanistan. Imran is heeding the call to end it.

what kind of pashtun is he? He's an adopted pakjabi son. His family have been pakjabi ever since his grandfather moved there. Pak army which ignored him before is now suddenly supporting him, because they need us out and isi kept in

so your meaning to say that pak army is poweless without imran khan? Are you kidding me? Your meaning to say that PPP is right now the most powerful entity in Pakistan? Really?

Lol

buddy, pakistan army may indeed be divesting out of the us war via the likes of imran khan on a public face, but they could have done that without him too.

Is it not good?

How is this is objectionable? So in other words, you want Pakistan to continue to support the us war and occupation of Afghanistan?

You want Pakistan to have a war in Waziristan at the request of the US?

So, at the end of the day, you are content with and currently in favor of continued Pakistan army support for the us war and occupation of Afghanistan, and this is why you are opposed to Imran Khan. How awkward that must be for you?

You right now believe that Zardari has some measure of power over Pakistan Army, and you are affording Pakistan Army support for the US war as one not out of choice, but one they MUST do at the request of the US and the supposed civilian government. How anti-reality is that? What a shrewd way of supporting the Pakistan Army's support for the US war and occupation of Afghansitan without saying it. LOL that hilarious

Now, this is more proof to show that the term "paki" is simply a means of supporting a heavy handed war against pashtuns without admitting it?

Why are you so concerned with a paki election? It is paki after all?

[Ghundal]

No we are against him because he is a supporter of Wahabi fanatics and terrorists that want to subvert Pashtun society.

Terrorists? You mean the Militant Communists/Secularists? The murderers of Daud Khan who started all this?

http://www.pashtunforums.com/politic...98/index5.html

http://www.pashtunforums.com/politic...ud-khan-22983/

[sanman]

Notice that this WahabiPakjabi named Ghundal has deliberately erased my comments. Will he admit that his Pak-made Taliban were waging war on Afghanistan in 2000, 1999, 1998, 1997, etc, etc? No, he will not - because WahabiPakjabis don't like to admit to anything that exposes them as the predators they are.

How come he doesn't realize that Imran Khan and Tehreek-i-Insaaf have been around for years, and never got more than a couple of percent in elections? Only now suddenly when Pak Army is feuding with both Zardari and Nawaz, now suddenly supporters like him come crawling out of the woodwork claiming that they loved Imran Khan all along?

Where was there love for Imran Khan all these years? Where were their postings in support of Imran Khan? They couldn't even be bothered to notice him then. But now that their Pakjabi Army masters tell them to love Imran Khan, they can't say enough big things about him. Now that Memogate has happened, suddenly they find Imran Khan was the best man all along.

If Pak Army tells Ghundal that Fazlur-Rehman should be the next President, then he will suddenly start telling us Fazlur-Rehman was his favorite all along. It's just stupid.

Imran Khan is just a carefree playboy, who now fancies himself as a politician. If he cared so much about people, he would have done more with his life than playing sports and gallavanting around with so many women. He's an overgrown child.

[Ghundal]

Notice that this WahabiPakjabi named Ghundal has deliberately erased my comments. Will he admit that his Pak-made Taliban were waging war on Afghanistan in 2000, 1999, 1998, 1997, etc, etc? No, he will not - because WahabiPakjabis don't like to admit to anything that exposes them as the predators they are.

How come he doesn't realize that Imran Khan and Tehreek-i-Insaaf have been around for years, and never got more than a couple of percent in elections? Only now suddenly when Pak Army is feuding with both Zardari and Nawaz, now suddenly supporters like him come crawling out of the woodwork claiming that they loved Imran Khan all along?

Where was there love for Imran Khan all these years? Where were their postings in support of Imran Khan? They couldn't even be bothered to notice him then. But now that their Pakjabi Army masters tell them to love Imran Khan, they can't say enough big things about him. Now that Memogate has happened, suddenly they find Imran Khan was the best man all along.

If Pak Army tells Ghundal that Fazlur-Rehman should be the next President, then he will suddenly start telling us Fazlur-Rehman was his favorite all along. It's just stupid.

Imran Khan is just a carefree playboy, who now fancies himself as a politician. If he cared so much about people, he would have done more with his life than playing sports and gallavanting around with so many women. He's an overgrown child.

Buddy,

I was not interested in responding to your repeated false rhetoric which is a disguise for your open support for a heavy handed war against Pashtuns on both sides of the zero line. You sound just like Amarulleh Saleh and Hamid Karzai.

The fact is your fear of Imran Khan is linked to your current approval of Pakistan Army support of the US war and occupation of Afghanistan, a war which is targeting primarily Pashtuns. You Love the Pakistani Army when it was headed by Mushraf. You probably long for the days of Musharraf who obeyed the US, and started a war with Waziristan. Yeah, thats what you want. that era is over for you and others who wish the continuation of this.


But bottom line buddy is this.

Imran Khan has opposed Pakistan Army support for the US war and occupation of Afghanistan for the last 7 years, and he will end this support for good. Now, answer my question instead of evading it, why are you so riled up about the prospect of him getting into power? WHy do you care about PakjabiWahabi elections? Why?

Why does this Pakjabi election concern you? Why or why?

Answer the question because your frantic posting is retarded.


Why are you in favor of Pakistan current support for the US war and occupation of Afghanistan with supply routes and airbases?

Pashtuns are being killed on both sides, and you are in favor of it

[Ghundal]

again, why do you care about Pakistani elections? What does it concern you for?

buddy, you narrative is a refuted and debunked one. Your support for the US war is something which also supports a heavy handed war against primarily Pashtuns. There are no Punjabis running around Afghanistan.

The vast majority of people killed are Pashtuns on both sides of the zero line and Pakistan Army has been supporting the US in this war, support that you are completely fine

with, and that is the only reason that you are opposed to Imran Khan because he intends to end it for good because frankly you are not opposed to him because he was a playboy

LOL. if he was pro-US war, you would be singing his song

So settle down. Imran Khan's election is non of your business since it is a Paki election, right?

Why should Pakistan continue to support the US war and occupation of Afghanistan, what? to prop up that bufoon Karzai with supply routes and airbases?

This is morally and logically wrong.