Why is our brother Tor Khan being partisan?

[graveyardofempires]

for educational purposes,i dont tend to disrespect tor KHan but it just shocked me.



Admiration

tor_khan Soldat Jaana, Khudai de ubakha.

Thank you for being patient. You have a certain thoughtfulness which I appreciate. I know that there are tactical attempts to discredit others and draw you in. Best avoided.

You are right to say that you want to be *out* of that particular thread. Sticking around and joining in will lead to a potentially explosive situation.

OPTIMISM

tor_khan You've started something here with your articles and it gives me a thought. Because we are in a political/cultural trough, we tend to be aware of all the bad things. I'm convinced that even in war and poverty, we must have some good news stories. Maybe the next article you put together, might capture that optimism.

Helping with his articles
tor_khan You're an intelligent man Amir Jan. I enjoyed the read .

You asked about a grammar point - and sometimes my mind works faster than my keyboarding, and I make these kinds of mistakes too, so this is just a minor point. It's a common error to put an apostrophe before the "s" when making plurals. For example, it would be "Shias" not "Shia's" (when writing in the plural form). I overlook these things constantly, particularly small words (prepositions like "to", "at", "in" in my own writing) and I can only see this once I've given it a gap. I find that it is always easier to see in other people's print. I could have edited, but I honestly wanted to keep your work exclusively yours.

That said, you made some very valid points and I note this under your article.

[LyariTown]

i was thinking like this this morning, but now i know.

when soldat amir was mi6, tor khan said this to him:

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   12-15-2010 04:07 PM
   tor_khan
   
   I shouldn't have to explain all of this here in the VM space that can be read by all and sundry, but why would you want to post anything that doesn't support your personal agenda? Do you honestly think that your singular narrow view is the "solution"?
   
   The way I see it, it is pointless sitting wherever you do and talking about Pashtoonwali and Pashtoonistan when the behaviours suggest otherwise. If all is great about the society you live in and all is not so great about Pashtoon socio-religious society, then you have a clear choice - melt into your host society and let go of the shackles of your past that trouble you so much. Easy. Modern, forward-looking, secular, perfection. Your instant fix.
   
   Let's keep Sangar out of this. It is unbefitting to discuss things like this. I won't be drawn into that discussion. What happened, happened. Khallas.
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   12-15-2010 03:48 PM
   tor_khan
   
   Salaam Maseed Jan. For your perusal: http://www.pashtunforums.com/265633-post47.html -
   
   Maseed, you honestly missed the essence of Din's post. He was right in many ways and the crux of it is your constant need to blame. We don't need it, Maseed.
   
   Occasionally, as in the case of Din, it pays to stop and listen to the words of the older wisened folk amongst us. Consider that my duty of care towards you, a Junior member in the presence of Din, a Senior.
   
   If the board splits Maseed as you say, it splits. I won't otherwise be dictated to.
   

[unknownprince]

so my account was tampered with. Options were edited so that I was unable to send messages outside. I am also blocked from posting in the support section

unknownprince, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
2. If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.

Whatever is said in response to this is a complete lie.

Now, you all know there is no such thing as privacy. Best for you to know this now

[Insaaf_انصاف]

I think that he is not partisan,
Infact, when he gives bans, it's because you don't respect forum rules
And I think that he has the right to have an opinion .
What is your problem ?

[tor_khan]

The examples cited here only reflect the 'visual' conversation between members. What you guys don't often appreciate is the work that goes on via the PM system.

The thread title therefore, Graveyard, Lyari et al, is essentially misleading. Whether it pleases you or not, Soldat does NOT have a free reign if that is what is being assumed. Behind the scenes via the PM system Soldat and I have had a sometime difficult history of conversations about warnings, infractions, edits and bans. It would be unfair to him for me to single him out completely and elaborate on specifics, but those who have been on the board long enough will know what has transpired between us.

Every Member must be given the opportunity to redeem themselves and grow. That is the approach I have taken with Soldat. The message that Graveyard chose not to quote, but left by Soldat on my VM space just a day or so back was one where Soldat tells me that he respects Islam. For those of you who wish to see the board as more reflective of Pashtun/Islamic conservatism, then perhaps you could take this as a beginning. I do note though, that there is more knee-jerk reactionism than sophisticated attempts to educate people with whom we don't agree.

We all make mistakes, and we all mature and change our opinions in the light of new experiences and new information. I do not believe in kicking a man in the face if he makes a mistake or if his opinion differs to mine. I wouldn't do that to any of you here, but on occasions I am required to step in to prevent you from doing that to one another.

One thing that comes across is Soldat's passion for the betterment of his people. The rest is up to him, his faith and his word. He and I probably don't agree on many things. As far as his writing goes - it is a form of expression and an outlet. I acknowledged the validity in some of the things that he writes though actually the longest comment I left him was about a grammar point. He has made mistakes; probably continues to make them, but has shown apology. That is also true of Graveyard, Unknown, Lyari, me, etc. It is up to us all to protect each other's dignity, at least that is what I understood it was to be Pashtun.

Incidentally, whilst I *know* that Unknown is behind some of frantic PMing to mount an insurrection against me, I have from time to time acknowledged the validity of the points that he too makes. Note, however, that the manner in which one makes a point carries the difference.

Over the past 48 hours for the first time I have needed to limit some of the user access features for a short while to help control rampant over-posting for two people. One of those is person who has had many usernames, not honoured their ban periods and therefore was never really off the board. They know who they are; the other is a new user who doesn't agree with anything that the first person says.

Users with completely opposite political and 'so-called' religious perspectives. No one side favoured more than the other.

[unknownprince]

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We all make mistakes, and we all mature and change our opinions in the light of new experiences and new information. I do not believe in kicking a man in the face if he makes a mistake or if his opinion differs to mine

Really? Actions against me indicate otherwise, actions for which I have not violated any forum rules. So its even more questionable

Incidentally, whilst I *know* that Unknown is behind some of frantic PMing to mount an insurrection against me, I have from time to time acknowledged the validity of the points that he too makes.

believe me, you are not someone I pay attention to on this forum. I neither care to read your comments since they are devoid of factual evidence, and nor do plan to "take you down" from this forum. I simply want you to be a fair and unbiased moderator, but you seem to pay attention to only me even when I do not break forum rules. So, the onus is on you to quit this behavior, not on me. I actually do not want to have any conversation with either you or Admin Khan simply because you have shown such behavior singularly towards me.

Do not think too much of yourself. I just want you to either give me proper and equal treatment, or if you are incapable of doing that, leave me alone, especially, when I do not break forum rules. My account was tampered with.

Furthermore, since there is an obvious bias, I do not care for your threats of banning, or if you ban me because i have not broken forum rules, and I will not, and in the event that such actions are taken, then a clear agenda needs to be stated here because that will be the only logical reason as to why I am treated with a different set of attitudes then others.

I hope you take this advice seriously.

[Alchemist]

Brother unknown...
Sometimes you don't even need a hammer to push a nail into the wall, you could just do it with your thumb. But it seems like you are using a jackhammer for a small nail.

Just calm down with the activism... I am pretty sure all your privileges will return.

Their job is to "moderate"...even if you mean well sometimes you can be a bit extreme. Compared to other forums, Alhamdulillah, we are doing much better here...in other forums they have atheist moderators to give the feel for secularism.

You will hurt your own cause if you keep this up. Stop getting on admin lala and tor khan's backs...this is my advise to you.

[Michin Khel]

Unknown create your own forum, we will follow you. Why you are disturbing administration of PF?
Alchemist is right, you have not seen other forums. On pashto.org i got banned for my pro-pakistani views even though i was one of the most decent-tongued member there...and it was simple, admin of that site permenantly banned my IP after 3 warnings, and i was never able to re-register there again. On defence.pk i got severe warning for stating that urduspeakers are mostly dark-skinned people...on ************ i got banned when i critcized a mod there who said that afghan mohajirs in pakistan should integrate into pakistan by adopting pakistani culture and marrying with indic people, i got banned for "racism", i said to that mod that perhaps he wants to beautify his race, talal was witness to it. ..
believe me PF is heaven for you. I s

[shehazadi]

I have spoken to tor khan and he is a sweetheart. he is doing a fantastic job.

I thought we nepalese were divided you guys seem worse than us. even on a forum you guys are out to get each other??????? you create a thread to attack him by exposing his alleged lie according to you and later say no disrespect??????? nonsense.

[shehazadi]

even he is partisan how does that affect you???? if he is secular that somehow matters?? as long as he is enforcing rules which he is its none of your business. ask permission befor e you decide to discuss someone on a public site. this is not educational. he has every right to have his view. whether he is republic democract or supports maoist in my country.

[IamDZJ]

this is the part where you melt in shame.
bias or no bias, this is their forum and they can do with it as they please.

[faye]

for educational purposes,i dont tend to disrespect tor KHan but it just shocked me.



Admiration

tor_khan Soldat Jaana, Khudai de ubakha.

Thank you for being patient. You have a certain thoughtfulness which I appreciate. I know that there are tactical attempts to discredit others and draw you in. Best avoided.

You are right to say that you want to be *out* of that particular thread. Sticking around and joining in will lead to a potentially explosive situation.

OPTIMISM

tor_khan You've started something here with your articles and it gives me a thought. Because we are in a political/cultural trough, we tend to be aware of all the bad things. I'm convinced that even in war and poverty, we must have some good news stories. Maybe the next article you put together, might capture that optimism.

Helping with his articles
tor_khan You're an intelligent man Amir Jan. I enjoyed the read .

You asked about a grammar point - and sometimes my mind works faster than my keyboarding, and I make these kinds of mistakes too, so this is just a minor point. It's a common error to put an apostrophe before the "s" when making plurals. For example, it would be "Shias" not "Shia's" (when writing in the plural form). I overlook these things constantly, particularly small words (prepositions like "to", "at", "in" in my own writing) and I can only see this once I've given it a gap. I find that it is always easier to see in other people's print. I could have edited, but I honestly wanted to keep your work exclusively yours.

That said, you made some very valid points and I note this under your article.

are these excerpts from someones message bank? if so, that is creepy. shame.

[graveyardofempires]

The examples cited here only reflect the 'visual' conversation between members. What you guys don't often appreciate is the work that goes on via the PM system.

The thread title therefore, Graveyard, Lyari et al, is essentially misleading. Whether it pleases you or not, Soldat does NOT have a free reign if that is what is being assumed. Behind the scenes via the PM system Soldat and I have had a sometime difficult history of conversations about warnings, infractions, edits and bans. It would be unfair to him for me to single him out completely and elaborate on specifics, but those who have been on the board long enough will know what has transpired between us.

I was only wishing you protect our Pashtun dignity and do not let people step on our dead ancesters bodies.
now all up sudden you are making him look like an innocent child who doesnt mean it.

Every Member must be given the opportunity to redeem themselves and grow. That is the approach I have taken with Soldat. The message that Graveyard chose not to quote, but left by Soldat on my VM space just a day or so back was one where Soldat tells me that he respects Islam. For those of you who wish to see the board as more reflective of Pashtun/Islamic conservatism, then perhaps you could take this as a beginning. I do note though, that there is more knee-jerk reactionism than sophisticated attempts to educate people with whom we don't agree.

Did he redeem himself ,did he change his stance?didnt he threaten members which you guys try to ignore?
We knwo very well that these people dont just not respect Silam but wish ill upon our muslim brethern and muslim pashtuns (99.99%).
i know how sophiasticated methods these kids use ,for example one attacking Islam but calling it Arab extremism,other calling it bedouin etc.
i think you guys think we cant see or maybe you guys want us to tak eit and get used to it,may be its a social experiment to see if pashtuns are to be fooled into accepting disrespect to their Religion and ancesters.

We all make mistakes, and we all mature and change our opinions in the light of new experiences and new information. I do not believe in kicking a man in the face if he makes a mistake or if his opinion differs to mine. I wouldn't do that to any of you here, but on occasions I am required to step in to prevent you from doing that to one another.

This is not just mistake its a calculated strategy probably helped in the background by ms Anderson.This is all to promote genocide of Pashtuns by drones,or invasion of pukhtun lands,we arent stupid.
its not just about different opinion ,you are just trying to blame me for it now,it is a calculated tactic.any of us do not go around talking crap about Islam (which is most loved by Pashtuns) or disrespect our ancesters who he calls looters etc.

One thing that comes across is Soldat's passion for the betterment of his people . The rest is up to him, his faith and his word. He and I probably don't agree on many things. As far as his writing goes - it is a form of expression and an outlet. I acknowledged the validity in some of the things that he writes though actually the longest comment I left him was about a grammar point. He has made mistakes; probably continues to make them, but has shown apology. That is also true of Graveyard, Unknown, Lyari, me, etc. It is up to us all to protect each other's dignity, at least that is what I understood it was to be Pashtun.

Thats a pile of nonsense ,how can you have passion for yuor people by constantly attacking their way of Life?
The rest is up to him?to disrespect our ancesters our women and children,troll on every threadf spreading anti pashtun/Islam agenda.
trying to divert attention and colloberate with ms anderson.
I dont see any validaty ,matter of fact i feel disrespected and i also feel my whole people is disrespected,since my people are muslims.
but offcourse he put sarcastically "dont want to be offending anyone"
Dont put me in list with such a person who is against pashtuns,you treate us the same?he disrespects Islam ,i dont thats why IAM SUPERIOR.There is nothing Pashtun about respecting someone who spits in the face of the whole Pashtun nation.

Incidentally, whilst I *know* that Unknown is behind some of frantic PMing to mount an insurrection against me, I have from time to time acknowledged the validity of the points that he too makes. Note, however, that the manner in which one makes a point carries the difference.

while unknownprince is truelly passsionate about his people and wish good for them,he is kicked and punched around for exposing what is happening to Pashtuns.

Over the past 48 hours for the first time I have needed to limit some of the user access features for a short while to help control rampant over-posting for two people. One of those is person who has had many usernames, not honoured their ban periods and therefore was never really off the board. They know who they are; the other is a new user who doesn't agree with anything that the first person says.

yes
and that didnt happen to someone who made outrageous comments,

also the amir ghaznavi guy kept on disrespeting me in his 1000 thread,and i see that admin jan is thaking him for thi spost,isnt that kidn of "the atheists are special and naazdana"?
Users with completely opposite political and 'so-called' religious perspectives. No one side favoured more than the other.

all im asking is that you guys are to have respect for the Pashtun idntity and do not tolerate anyone who disrespects our muslim mothers,sistera,brothers and ancesters.

[graveyardofempires]

are these excerpts from someones message bank? if so, that is creepy. shame.

no offcourse not

these were from writings on the wall.

[graveyardofempires]

even he is partisan how does that affect you???? if he is secular that somehow matters?? as long as he is enforcing rules which he is its none of your business. ask permission befor e you decide to discuss someone on a public site. this is not educational. he has every right to have his view. whether he is republic democract or supports maoist in my country.

you have the right to have an opinion,the wrong one.