Afghan and Paki

[Soldat_Amir]

[Soldat_Amir]

Pakistan sends her children to schools, while they send Pashtuns to suicide bombing camps.

Cant people see our genocide? or are just so ignorant to not speak out?

Without education a population will remain weak!

[Shehbaz Khan]

^ They didn't send me to a a suicide bombing camp!! Did they send you?

[Zmarak]

^ They didn't send me to a a suicide bombing camp!! Did they send you?

Let me define these terms. "Suicide bombing camp", "terrorist training camp", etc. are often code words used by both the malicious kuffar and the innocent naive kuffar who knows not what he even speaks to describe a Madrassa that also has a functioning military type program of any kind. If a Madrassa has a program that teaches young Muslims anything about the art of warfare or even basic combat skills and techniques, I assure you there will be some feral infidel in a foreign country labelling that Madrassa as a terrorist training camp. This is of course silly and weak propaganda. As Muslims we know and should accept that some form of military service is required of all capable men. Even if it is brief and only details basic defense skills that a man can use to defend himself and his family. All Muslims should acquire these basic skills to a reasonable level at a young age, some may choose to continue their abilities and knowledge in this area later in life and this choice does not make them a "terrorist" or "extremist".
To my knowledge there is no such thing as a terrorist training camp but if I ever learn of the existence of a camp used by alleged Muslims for the purpose of committing acts of terror against innocent people, I would strongly condemn it on all levels.

[abassinafghan]

great sher , our deen have its place in our lifes and our culture , but a nation can not only consist of mullahs or taliban , nor can a state .

i find it very amusing how some people on this board so strongly , feel guilty that their own partents and grandparents are seen not as proper muslims that they have to follow wahabi sect leaders who call them selfes muslim , but are nothing more than british mi 5 agents of the past .

isnt it funny that some people of foreign countries wants to teach us proper islam , while their own forefathers had to live under french or british rule for centuries ?

isnt funny that they call for global jihad , and this and that , but at the same time are so ignorant and denie science and progress ,at least to the ones they have to teach proper islam ?

and isnt it funny , that since those people come to the field , the islamic countries and societies arround the world started to decline in every aspect ?

if you ask some of the people who label theirselfes as the best muslims possible , you find out ,that they are like unknown prince or goe or others , who can not even speak their mothertounge , let alone being able to do the munz properly , i guess their parents missed to teach them the very basics of deen .

that this same people , dont know nothing about the history of their country besides what they have read on the net , like they know nothing about their deen , besides what a good for nothing selfproclaimed salafi told them ?

but i am upsetting myself for no reason , take barakzai , he is going to be a doctor but in the same time he denies that certain people for whom he have so much respect , doesnt want the schools are built not today , but also in the past .

[*Shama*]

LOL@ tor panjab

[Zmarak]

abassinafghan,
I don't know "unknownprince", "graveyard of empires", "BarakzaiAbdali" or you. But we should be cautious with our judgements and accusations against others. I ask you in fairness, are any of the aforementioned people adherents to Wahabbism or Salafism as you imply? Have any of them stated that they follow the teachings of the Sheikhs, Imams, Mullahs, etc. of Wahabbism? I only ask this because I know that it is popular culture now for people to accuse others of adhering to this "Wahabbism" when they want to insult the person for any number of perceived offenses, including but not limited to - Making genuine attempts to live as a devout Muslim, openly believing in and supporting the laws of Allah or Shariah above man made laws, harshly criticizing the West for it's history of criminal activity against Muslims around the world, or simply living in a way or believing in a way that differs from the offended person's interpretation of Islam. All of these things may result in one being accussed of following this elusive Wahabbism. In simplistic terms, attempting to learn and live the Sunnah may result in you being accussed of being a Wahabi.

Now more on topic is that your post does nothing but criticize various people for various reasons. If you genuinelly believe that these people are wrong in their deen or as you say, "know nothing about their deen"; Perhaps it is your responsibility to at least guide them in the right direction. Try to teach them proper Islam, demonstrate to them how and why their ideas are wrong. Openly demeaning them in public will not convince them that they are wrong and it certainly won't win them to your side.

Lastly, who are you implying is a mi5 agent? Anjem Choudhary? If so, I wouldn't be surprised.

[graveyardofempires]

possible , you find out ,that they are like unknown prince or goe or others , who can not even speak their mothertounge , let alone being able to do the munz properly , i guess their parents missed to teach them the very basics of deen .

first of all i never claimed to be knowing Islam as an Aalim but i sure know my Deen.

and you dont have to be extremely religious person to be against the occupation of your country,lets say im totally not religious still i will eb against occupation of my country matter of fact thousands of non muslims have demonstrated againstthe occupation of my country yet we see spineless cowards who dare nto to speak the truth and try to bad mouth people who do speak for their country men.

and about mother tongue.

ښه اوس ته به ما ته پښتو ژبه زده کوی.
ماته داسی ښکاری چه ته کوم پوډرې یی.
ورشه کوم بل چا ته دا درواغ وایه.
او د مور پلار خبره مکوه.داسی ښکارې چه خپل مور او پلار در باندی نه دي ګران؟

now answer me in pukhto.

[graveyardofempires]

abassinafghan,
I don't know "unknownprince", "graveyard of empires", "BarakzaiAbdali" or you. But we should be cautious with our judgements and accusations against others. I ask you in fairness, are any of the aforementioned people adherents to Wahabbism or Salafism as you imply? Have any of them stated that they follow the teachings of the Sheikhs, Imams, Mullahs, etc. of Wahabbism? I only ask this because I know that it is popular culture now for people to accuse others of adhering to this "Wahabbism" when they want to insult the person for any number of perceived offenses, including but not limited to - Making genuine attempts to live as a devout Muslim, openly believing in and supporting the laws of Allah or Shariah above man made laws, harshly criticizing the West for it's history of criminal activity against Muslims around the world, or simply living in a way or believing in a way that differs from the offended person's interpretation of Islam. All of these things may result in one being accussed of following this elusive Wahabbism. In simplistic terms, attempting to learn and live the Sunnah may result in you being accussed of being a Wahabi.

Now more on topic is that your post does nothing but criticize various people for various reasons. If you genuinelly believe that these people are wrong in their deen or as you say, "know nothing about their deen"; Perhaps it is your responsibility to at least guide them in the right direction. Try to teach them proper Islam, demonstrate to them how and why their ideas are wrong. Openly demeaning them in public will not convince them that they are wrong and it certainly won't win them to your side.

Lastly, who are you implying is a mi5 agent? Anjem Choudhary? If so, I wouldn't be surprised.

wrora this type of guys are suffering from Pseudoligia Fantastica.
they will lie and eventually believe the lie they told as truth.
check my thread about this disease which these kids have got.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/political-talk-11/pseudologia-fantastica-mythomania-pathological-lying-24441/

[graveyardofempires]

here is the full version
Pashto new nice sharona part 2 - YouTube

[LyariTown]

Double game?

[LyariTown]

Pakistan sends her children to schools, while they send Pashtuns to suicide bombing camps.

Cant people see our genocide? or are just so ignorant to not speak out?

Without education a population will remain weak!

I hope these Afghanis realise how much proud we are of pakistan our home land and mother land

Pakistan sumra ma banay grun dai che pa wa teedee banay pakistan karchawalay na sha!!!!!

i hope these afghanis can sit there and watch this video and see how much patrotic we pakistani pashtuns are and we will die fighting for pakistan

defend and honour PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!

der sha...

[BarakzaiAbdali]

great sher , our deen have its place in our lifes and our culture , but a nation can not only consist of mullahs or taliban , nor can a state .

i find it very amusing how some people on this board so strongly , feel guilty that their own partents and grandparents are seen not as proper muslims that they have to follow wahabi sect leaders who call them selfes muslim , but are nothing more than british mi 5 agents of the past .

isnt it funny that some people of foreign countries wants to teach us proper islam , while their own forefathers had to live under french or british rule for centuries ?

isnt funny that they call for global jihad , and this and that , but at the same time are so ignorant and denie science and progress ,at least to the ones they have to teach proper islam ?

and isnt it funny , that since those people come to the field , the islamic countries and societies arround the world started to decline in every aspect ?

if you ask some of the people who label theirselfes as the best muslims possible , you find out ,that they are like unknown prince or goe or others , who can not even speak their mothertounge , let alone being able to do the munz properly , i guess their parents missed to teach them the very basics of deen .

that this same people , dont know nothing about the history of their country besides what they have read on the net , like they know nothing about their deen , besides what a good for nothing selfproclaimed salafi told them ?

but i am upsetting myself for no reason , take barakzai , he is going to be a doctor but in the same time he denies that certain people for whom he have so much respect , doesnt want the schools are built not today , but also in the past .

Isn't it funny that you are so sorely unaware of historical realities? Isnt it funny that when you are faced with a reality you run to label it a Western creation because it conflicts with the unreality you created in your mind? Isnt it funny that you deride Western sources yet produce none to back up your assertions that Najib was on the straight path and that communists did not kill anyone?

Isnt it funny that you dont understand how societies progress both from the the past towards the present and onwards to the future? Isnt it funny that you dont get the fact that literacy, laws, and education are not brought to you by the barrell of the gun using the anvil of secularism and the hammer of supposed democracy?

You still have not answered villager Sharbat Gula. Is she a Western creation?

Isnt it funny that you still cannot deal with Miss Gula's statements below since she lives in the rural areas and is a rural person who experienced the death march of the Russians?

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Sharabat Gula the famous green eyed girl of Afghanistan, a rural Afghan has said it herself here... I want you to deal with her commentary:

Is she also a westerner??? Let us see what she says.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/20...irl/index-text

"Had she ever felt safe?
"No. But life under the Taliban was better. At least there was peace and order." "

Or how she lives as a RURAL Pashtoon woman from Afghanistan when interacting with Steve McCurry, an outsider of the culture male, or any male for that matter:

""The reunion between the woman with green eyes and the photographer was quiet. On the subject of married women, cultural tradition is strict. She must not look—and certainly must not smile—at a man who is not her husband."

Oh and then her brother, the other ISI agent (sarcasm) goes on to say:

"We left Afghanistan because of the fighting," said her brother, Kashar Khan, filling in the narrative of her life. He is a straight line of a man with a raptor face and piercing eyes. "The Russians were everywhere. They were killing people. We had no choice."

"The Russian invasion destroyed our lives," her brother said.