Pakistani Lashkar-E-Jhangvi responsible for suicide attack in Kabul

[Shehbaz Khan]

these Pakistani Pathans will kill you and suck your blood dry for sake of Chatalistan. Wake up folks.

Unfortunately, if we wanted we had a chance. The Pakistani Pakhtuns were the ones who welcomed you at this side of the durand. If they would have hated you they could have simply not allowed you to enter.

[tor_khan]

LOL, you guys are amazing. You take money sell the land and than say that the contract wasn't valid? Forced upon? Oh, I didn't know that the stupid British were able to force the Mighty Afghans and their King.

Unfortunately, if we wanted we had a chance. The Pakistani Pakhtuns were the ones who welcomed you at this side of the durand. If they would have hated you they could have simply not allowed you to enter.

I have selected two quotes from your last two posts and would like to explore a thought that is common to both.

You say that the Brits forced the "mighty Afghans and their King". Just because the king was "forced" does not stop him from being your king who let you down in the historical sense any more than he suddenly becomes a "foreign" king.

It is because of this type of thinking that you found it necessary to a denonym before the word "Pakhtun" in your second quote. Delete the word Pakistani from your quote and you see that Afghans=Pakhtun and we are not a different species like you are told by textbooks.

[Soldat_Amir]

How can one refer to the ill decision of a corrupted king as being the basis of the view of the majority? Shabaz Khan....Pakistan is no different than abdur rehman, Pakistan refused to rename the province after so many decades, Pakistan worked against Pashtun Nationalism by supporting Islamists way before the Soviets or Communism ever stepped into Afghanistan, Pakistan has oppressed many tribals with the FCR, if Pakistan was sincere, why didnt they reform the tribal areas and abolished the FCR which prohibits political parties to represent the tribals, funny to say on that note, only the JUI(Islamists) was permitted to particpate in FATA while others were prohibited.

Now, back onto the arguement..........Abdur Rehman was a British installed king, the same way your Jinnah was, so in essence, we oppose both, and support the unification of both sides of the Pashtun region, you state "Afghans sold the Pashtuns out for a money", and you base it all on that one case scenerio ignoring the fact that both King Zahir Shah, Amnaullah and Najibullah opposed the Durrand line, and Afghanistan was the only country to vote against Pakistan in the INT community.

Now, this referendum was a sham, everyone knows this, why was Bacha Khans party and supporters prohibited from voting by both Jinnah and his British supporters? why did the viceroy of India, who counted the votes refused to count the Tribals into this voting scheme?

The durrand line will always remain a problem for ever unless Pakistan gets removed from the map. Pakistan will remain a dishonest country that uses lucifer himself for its own interests.

[Shehbaz Khan]

I have selected two quotes from your last two posts and would like to explore a thought that is common to both.

You say that the Brits forced the "mighty Afghans and their King". Just because the king was "forced" does not stop him from being your king who let you down in the historical sense any more than he suddenly becomes a "foreign" king.

It is because of this type of thinking that you found it necessary to a denonym before the word "Pakhtun" in your second quote. Delete the word Pakistani from your quote and you see that Afghans=Pakhtun and we are not a different species like you are told by textbooks.

Tor Khan Lala, With all due respect. I never considered you and me any different in any context leave aside my text books, I guess you've known me enough and I don't need to tell you that my thoughts are not driven by those text books. The point is simple I was just trying to reply him in his tone.

[Shehbaz Khan]

The representatives of Pakhtuns from KPK throughout this sixty years didn't wish to change the name it's for the first time that the Pakhtun nationalist party got into the political position and hence the name is changed. To me it's not an achievement, not at all.

Pakistan today is the ally of US no doubt that 99.99% of the common Pakistanis don't like it, what you still call it today? An Ally of US isn't it so. Because that's what is exactly is happening officially.

Prohibited from voting? I didn't know it, can you please kindly enlighten me further?
Though the speeches of Bacha Khan are widely available stating that, 'His idea of Pakthoonistan is an autonomous Pathan province within the boundries of Pakistan'

The Durand will always remain a problem until and unless you accept the fact that Pakistan is there to exist and accept it and until Pakistan realise the fact that it has nothing to do in the internal affairs of Afghanistan.

[Michin Khel]

paarsiwan shut up , your goat ahmad shah massoud together with rabbani and the rest of the gang , took more than enough money from the isi to harm afghans , and to inflict hatred among them .

they were isi servants and licked their boot even before the taliban existed .

Dont be so rude to parsiwan, he is your countryman. After you refused to accept 30 million plus people east of durand as pashtuns, atleast learn to go along with minorities of your country. Parsiwan's dislike for lar pashtuns is natural, yours is not.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

The representatives of Pakhtuns from KPK throughout this sixty years didn't wish to change the name it's for the first time that the Pakhtun nationalist party got into the political position and hence the name is changed. To me it's not an achievement, not at all.

Pakistan today is the ally of US no doubt that 99.99% of the common Pakistanis don't like it, what you still call it today? An Ally of US isn't it so. Because that's what is exactly is happening officially.

Prohibited from voting? I didn't know it, can you please kindly enlighten me further?
Though the speeches of Bacha Khan are widely available stating that, 'His idea of Pakthoonistan is an autonomous Pathan province within the boundries of Pakistan'

The Durand will always remain a problem until and unless you accept the fact that Pakistan is there to exist and accept it and until Pakistan realise the fact that it has nothing to do in the internal affairs of Afghanistan.

Shebazz jana you know youre my brother, and I respect your views and positions.

But you must understand, that the creation of Pakistan (which you have every right to accept) was the death blow to Pakhtuns and the state of Afghanistan

it didnt begin with the Islamist support of the 70s. I have realized the errors of my past thinking on this subject

Historically the region is Ariana and Hindustan. The creation of Pakistan as a mix of both situated in the middle is un natural, and will ALWAYS be a thorn in the side of Afghanistan and India

this is why Afghanistan never accepted Pakistan in 47 and doubt it ever will

Again, if you wish to be a proud Pakistani, by all means this is your right wrora and I still love and respect you as a brother, but you must understand our position

I hope this clarifies it better for you, do not let the foul mouthed hooligans express the Afghan position

[Michin Khel]

hahahhahah


1. when was pashtunistan sold and by whom ? spread your ali jinah lies some where else . the durrand line was put upon us by force , so to any condition of international law this contract was not valid , the kingdom of afghanistan , was treaten and there were 2 wars before , nothing was sold . keep your punjabi lies tell you some where else . besides that it was declared , in the case the british empire will retreat some day it will given back .

Ok i agree that fat Afghan ruler was forced to sign treaty and that it was done against wishes of Afghan people...But in reward a pension of 12 lakhs per annum was issued to him by british..his foriegn policies were getting decided by british..the afghan ruler was selling himself like a prostitute and you boasted that afghan can not be sold. its not that british were unable to conqueour afghanistan..its just that british do not need to keep barren, stony and dusty country and instead left it as a buffer state with russia...Your brave and mighty afghan rulers preferred to wait for 100 years then snatching it back, and most probably their desire to get pakhtunkhwa back was Due to prospect of increasing their tax revenues from densely populated fertile lands of KP.

2. you choose ? you voted for it , i guess that another thing you learned from your daal eating buddies denial of reality and perception every one is more stupid than you .

We were not given any other choice..we were told to either vote for india or pakistan...even the bycott of khudai khidmatgars was of no use, as future of KP got decided by those who voted instead of bycotting it..it doesnt matter whether those voters were in hundreds or thousands or lakhs. Division of india was according to divide and rule policy of british and unfortunately spliting of pashtun lands into two was part of this policy...The question is why lar pashtuns did'nt raise mutiny against pakistan in 1947? Why issue of pakhtunistan surfaced, not loy afghanistan?...

pakhtunkwa ,named nwfp ,since the existance of this haram state , a british name , splitted into political agencies with a system of worest kind , in which a whole QAUM could be made responsibel for the act of certain individuals , a place where there were no rule of law , but just martial law of the political agent , an institution of the british raj , still existing till today ,

you want to tell me , that the people living there choosed free , that their homeland was still named a british colonial slang name in an offical manner for 60 years ? it took 60 YEARS till they were allowed to have a PROPER name .

that they choosed to live in a system where an installed politcal agent could do what he wanted with them ?

where if they had bad luck will be punished for the missdeads of some one with the same surename , or if they happen to belong to the same qaum aka collective punishment .

you want to tell me that they wanted to live in a place where they were held like savages denied any of the improvement of islamic democracy and rule of courts ? where all over the indian subcontinent the racist regulations of british raj where lifted , but with the exception of paktunkwa ?

they kept the name they kept the system , just the tourtures changed .

and what is happening today , the americans killed hundreds of people , destroyed numerous villages houses , but for 25 good for nothing dogs , there was an outrage , but for the tousands of victims before no one complainted , no streets were blockaded , no demonstrations no international protests .

they even took part in it by their own , bombing people , villages , for no reason .


and than you dare to tell the people that they part of this napak state , kept backward and poor and telling them they have freedom ? for gettin free electricity ? or getting a free phone line ? and not paying for it ?

i dont think and i know that those people doesnt want to live in such a situation , to live in poverty or to live in such a system imposed on them .

underdevelopment , keeping people uneducated , keeping people poor doesnt mean freedom !!!

i guess you dont understand what it is all about .

Shehbaz khan answered this part very well. When i ask tribals whether they would want to join KP and become settled, they say no. They are enjoying the fact that their region is tax free, and electricity is free and they have reserved quota seats every where.. But i personally think that they should be part of KP, should pay taxes and electricity bills, should be under laws of pakistan and quota system for them should be finished and they should be proper pakistanis. And that their land should'nt be misused for jihadism.

[Shehbaz Khan]

Amir al Ghaznawi


I find it right somehow .. The points you mentioned are something to think about.

That's why what I suggest is that Pakistan and Afghanistan should work under the same Federation. Somehow, I am unable to enlighten this point further. But this could be the best solution.