Pakistani Lashkar-E-Jhangvi responsible for suicide attack in Kabul

[Shehbaz Khan]

Lashkar-e-Jhangwi is neither owned by Pakistani government, nor the people. I read the first two posts on the topic by the topic-creater. And both of the posts don't speak anything about Lashkar-e-Jhangwi.

[Soldat_Amir]

Shabaz Khan read the following article

Pakistan releases Lashkar-e-Jhangvi commander from jail

By Bill RoggioJuly 15, 2011 11:17 AM



Pakistan's Supreme Court has granted bail to a Lashkar-e-Jhangvi leader who is thought to have been involved in the March 3, 2009 assault on the Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore. From Dawn:

Malik Ishaq, a leader of the banned extremist group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, was arrested in 1997. He has been accused of a variety of crimes, including orchestrating the attack on the cricketers, which left six security officers and a driver dead.
Over the years, the cases against Ishaq have faltered as many witnesses have been too scared to testify.
Jail official Malik Mubashar said the Supreme Court granted Ishaq bail on Monday and he was freed Thursday after he posted it.

A couple of quick points:

• Not to restate the obvious, but if Ishaq has been imprisoned since 1997, he has been plotting attack after attack while in custody.
• Ishaq won't be the first Pakistani terrorist to have done so. The most prominent terrorist to organize attacks from prison is Sheikh Omar Saeed, the notorious Jaish-e-Mohammed commander who was involved in the murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl in Pakistan in 2002. See LWJ reports Omar Saeed Sheikh plots assassination from Pakistani jail and New investigation into murder of Daniel Pearl released for more information on Saeed and the murder of Daniel Pearl.
• Pakistan has a very real problem keeping terrorists in jail, as this report from AKI demonstrates. Terrorists are adept at intimidating those who might testify against them.

Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/threat...#ixzz1fqjWwEpw

Now can you explain to us why was a well known terrorist commander freed in Pakistan????

[Insaaf_انصاف]

Unfortunately, indian army cannot intervene in Pakistan Because of the nuclear deterrance

[Afghanistan2010]

lol


US Embassy said news agencies : That an american was among the deads,which brings me to the suspicion that an american (probably retard or mentally ill) was used as bomb or suicide attacker.

Message to Blackwater,XE or what ever these security contracters call themselves : you will get what you deserve , you will be slaughtered like sheeps by taliban soldiers ,every good contractor is a captured contractor and every captured one is a dead contractor.

[tor_khan]

Salaam u Alaikum Unknown,

Thanks for PMing me about your response to my comment and inviting me to comment further. To elaborate slightly ... you could well have something valid in terms of possible external influence, though I notice you have opted to remove your own comment yourself.

Mine, however, was a broad stroke response largely drawing on a comparison between Yazid's hold on power and the elements within the Muslim world. Why not? It is Moharram and the attack in Afghanistan happened on Ashura.

Muslim opinion against Yazid is so strong, that to this day, whatever faction one belongs to, all consider Yazid the tyrant who betrayed Islam and killed the Prophet's grandson. Yazid, remember had the stronger army and considered himself the legitimate Caliph whilst the party of Husayn (RA) with a much smaller force opposed him. . In the years following, the Ummayuds (Yazid's descendents) gained legitimacy amongst the Sunnis even though Yazid himself is cast at the wrong doer amongst all branches of Islam.

The comparison with Pakistan was mostly illustrative - whilst Pakistan has international 'legitimacy' because it has a recognised seat in the UN and militarily is amongst the best equipped and most organised Muslim army in the world, it is increasingly viewed as cruel with ill intention.

Whether the Pakistanis are behind the carnage in Kabul or there are other forces involved, time will tell.

Except since it was Ashura and the battle between Yazid and Husayn (RA) was being commemorated, I saw a likeness between the events of then and the events of now.

In my opinion, we should never lose sight of our rich Islamic history and the examples therein when considering similar or repeat events today.

I should also point out that Moharram is one of the four sacred months of peace. It is forbidden to make war at this time and what we have is the peace option staring us right in the face.

[Soldat_Amir]

For how long will the Pakistani public stay in a state of self denial?

They blame raw,mossad,cia,khad,kgb etc etc

but the facts are facts, the terrorists roam in Pakistan freely and the Pakistanis know it themselves.

Even the liberal secular Pakistanis would support Islamist militant groups in Afghanistan.

Pakistan will always remain a external threat to Afghanistan for as long as it exists.

The only reasonable solution to the problem of Pakistan is by fighting it off, with American and Nato assistance.

[Soldat_Amir]

Salaam u Alaikum Unknown,

Thanks for PMing me about your response to my comment and inviting me to comment further. To elaborate slightly ... you could well have something valid in terms of possible external influence, though I notice you have opted to remove your own comment yourself.

Mine, however, was a broad stroke response largely drawing on a comparison between Yazid's hold on power and the elements within the Muslim world. Why not? It is Moharram and the attack in Afghanistan happened on Ashura.

Muslim opinion against Yazid is so strong, that to this day, whatever faction one belongs to, all consider Yazid the tyrant who betrayed Islam and killed the Prophet's grandson. Yazid, remember had the stronger army and considered himself the legitimate Caliph whilst the party of Husayn (RA) with a much smaller force opposed him. . In the years following, the Ummayuds (Yazid's descendents) gained legitimacy amongst the Sunnis even though Yazid himself is cast at the wrong doer amongst all branches of Islam.

The comparison with Pakistan was mostly illustrative - whilst Pakistan has international 'legitimacy' because it has a recognised seat in the UN and militarily is amongst the best equipped and most organised Muslim army in the world, it is increasingly viewed as cruel with ill intention.

Whether the Pakistanis are behind the carnage in Kabul or there are other forces involved, time will tell.

Except since it was Ashura and the battle between Yazid and Husayn (RA) was being commemorated, I saw a likeness between the events of then and the events of now.

In my opinion, we should never lose sight of our rich Islamic history and the examples therein when considering similar or repeat events today.

I should also point out that Moharram is one of the four sacred months of peace. It is forbidden to make war at this time and what we have is the peace option staring us right in the face.

Tor Khan

chee khafa na shay, but can you kindly explain to me why are incidents that occured in the past taken so seriously in the Muslim world that people, I mean innocent people get killed because some dude betrayed another Muslim.

I still cant understand this mentality. What has the past of Arab heritage got to do with Pashtuns and Afghans.

This is where I stand strong and state that taking other peoples past into your own consideration is pure venom and demonic for the people as a whole.

I hope your not offended by my comment but sectarian violence in the Muslim world will continue to persist until the Muslim world contributes to some form of reformation in its society as a whole, because you and I know, there is hardly any form of intellectual freedom in the Muslim world that would not end with a bullet being shot into someones head because they felt offended by newly discovered science or public opinion on matters related to womens rights etc.

However, this problem originates from Punjab Pakistan, same with the Taliban, Afghanistan was slowly progressing out of the middle ages until Pakistan became a deterrent to it.

[unknownprince]

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Salaam u Alaikum Unknown,

Thanks for PMing me about your response to my comment and inviting me to comment further. To elaborate slightly ... you could well have something valid in terms of possible external influence, though I notice you have opted to remove your own comment yourself.

Your quick assumption at assuming Muslims were behind this was hasty. There has been sectarian warfare in both Pakistan and Iraq, and only now it appears to have been crushed. Please note that nearly 250 US officials left Pakistan in May. The attacks went down after that.

Here is my comment that I pmed you. Everyone can read my assessment which reflects MK Bhadrakuma's assessment and thoughts, and draws the same conclusions he does.
In regards to your post here.

Pakistani Lashkar-E-Jhangvi responsible for suicide attack in Kabul

Why are you so quick to assume Muslims were behind this? Just because some defunct group spokesmen (unverified) called a US funded news source (the first time a so -called militant organization contacts a US media source?). The fact is it is well known that the West talks of sectarian tension in Afghanistan to forward their aims. It appears if this was the motive behind this attack, then it has fortunately failed, as Mohaqiq has pointed this out. In fact, the complete opposite, Muslim and Afghan unity to thwart outside designs appears to happening.

Even Hamid Karzai has pointed to American Blackwater being behind terrorist attacks in Afghanistan.

"Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said US private security firms, including Xe Services LLC, formerly known as Blackwater, are being behind terrorism in the country.


At a press conference in Kabul, Karzai said that US security companies have been behind explosions that have claimed the lives of women and children.

The Afghan president added that they have caused "blasts and terrorism" in different parts of Afghanistan over the past months. "http://www.presstv.ir/detail/148217.html


It would be best to put aspirations/and dreams aside when looking at facts as to who is behind this.

The real purpose behind this attack would have been to divide Afghans, and take advantage of that.

Fortunately, due to the assessment given by Mohaqiq, that is not going to happen.


non-Pashtun groups who oppose President Hamid Karzai and are increasingly willing to reconcile with the Taliban. They include the "nationalistic" elements who recently formed the National Front - heavyweights like Ahmed Wali Massoud from Panjshir (brother of the slain former Northern Alliance leader Ahmad Shah Massoud), Uzbek leader Rashid Dostum and Hazara Shi'ite leader Haji Mohammed Mohaqiq. Any polarization on sectarian lines would bury their pan-Afghan agenda.

Mohaqiq, who is close to Tehran, called on Afghans to react "carefully and intelligently". He said the perpetrators "want to trigger a sectarian war in Afghanistan. My message to the Afghan nation is to recognize the real faces of the enemies of Afghanistan and to maintain civil order."

His remarks echoed the statement by Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi, who described the incidents on Tuesday as an attempt to fuel tribal and religious tensions and to create instability and insecurity in the regional countries. Salehi alleged that foreign countries are seeking to disturb peace and stability in the region by provoking sectarian and tribal conflict.


It appears this was the work of the occupation. No militant group has ever called a US media source to make a claim. Lashkar e Jhangavi has been defunct. It no longer exists.


the aim of this attack has been thwarted due to Mohaqiq and Iranian FM Salehi's wise assessment in seeing through that foreign non-Muslim countries were behind this. There will be no sectarian strife.


His remarks echoed the statement by Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi, who described the incidents on Tuesday as an attempt to fuel tribal and religious tensions and to create instability and insecurity in the regional countries. Salehi alleged that foreign countries are seeking to disturb peace and stability in the region by provoking sectarian and tribal conflict.



End of my pm to you which i also reproduced in a thread here. I did edit it in this post here.


These attacks are not new, and have been happening in Iraq and Pakistan for a long time. Pakistan and Iraq do not engage in attacking their own citizens simply due to some mourning rituals. The Peshawar market blast that took place in June of this year had no claim of responsibility, and was outright denied by the Pakistani Taliban. At around the same time, a blast attack on a hospital in Eastern Afghanistan also occurred. Again no claims of responsibility. Point is, and putting aside the emotional and moral issues, these attacks do not serve any regional nations interests at all. Its difficult to discuss it like that, but one needs in order to realize who is behind this.

Having said that, it appears that the aims of this attack have completely backfired with Taliban, Mohaqiq, and Iranian FM Salehi all pointing to the same non-Muslim countries being behind this. Hence, such a consensus does not appear to be a sign of an civil war/sectarian war to me. Mohaqiq and Salehi are Shiite Muslims.

As is the case with the blasts, they always incorporate some device attached to either a car or a bicycle. There are no suicide bombers. There was no suicide bomber yesterday. Many of these attacks have happened in Pakistan and Iraq. No one ever claims responsibility. If there is, it is from someone who no has ever heard of, and that gives it away to who is behind this. In regards to this, the supposed militant group Lashkar e Jhangvi called a US funded media source- Radio Free Liberty Europe. This has never happened before, and in fact did not happen at all. It is absurd on several points. Its almost like an admission? NO.

This leaves only to realize that the American terrorist outfit Blackwater was behind this.

Mine, however, was a broad stroke response largely drawing on a comparison between Yazid's hold on power and the elements within the Muslim world. Why not? It is Moharram and the attack in Afghanistan happened on Ashura.

These attacks have happened throughout Pakistan and Iraq. However, this is actually the first time it has happened in Afghanistan on this scale. All fingers point to the US/West spy agencies as being behind this. The writing is practically on the wall. No militant group has ever called a US funded media source to make a claim. Furthermore, Lashkar e Jhangavi does not exist anymore. It is defunct.

The comparison with Pakistan was mostly illustrative - whilst Pakistan has international 'legitimacy' because it has a recognised seat in the UN and militarily is amongst the best equipped and most organised Muslim army in the world, it is increasingly viewed as cruel with ill intention.

Whether the Pakistanis are behind the carnage in Kabul or there are other forces involved, time will tell.

Do you also think that Pakistan attacks Shiites in Parachinar, Lahore, and Karachi, that their agencies invest time and money in creating sectarian warfare in Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan? Is this not absurd? It is nonsensical, and even if we are to take the moral reason out, there is no benefit for any regional nation, including Pakistan and Iran to stoke sectarian warfare. In fact, it goes against regional interests/consensus to thwart designs by the West. Mohaqiq seems to have realized this, and his understanding is thorough.

Also note, that eve since over 200 US officials were made to leave Pakistan (after Osama raid), the attacks at markets, and the sectarian attacks have decreased significantly, warranting a thanks from Malik to the Taliban. The issue is the Pakistani Taliban never ever claimed to be behind most of those attacks on civilians in the first place.

Rehman Malik thanks Taliban; is grateful to them

Except since it was Ashura and the battle between Yazid and Husayn (RA) was being commemorated, I saw a likeness between the events of then and the events of now.

Ashura is in fact observed for Prophet Musa (pbuh). The martyrdom of Sayyidina Hussayn (ra) falls on this day, but according to Islamic law, deaths are not to be continuously mourned. Death is to be accepted as a part of life. This is another discussion for another time.

In my opinion, we should never lose sight of our rich Islamic history and the examples therein when considering similar or repeat events today.

I should also point out that Moharram is one of the four sacred months of peace. It is forbidden to make war at this time and what we have is the peace option staring us right in the face.

Peace can only come to Afghanistan when the US presence is ended.

The US occupation is the source of instability in Afghanistan. The single source.

There will be no peace for as long as the US presence continues. This is not an opinion, but a mere fact. Afghans are fighting due to the US presence. When there is no US presence, there will be peace.


You do agree that the US occupation of Afghanistan is the reason there will not be peace. Right? Thousands of Afghans have died due to airstrikes and nightraids. Every month 100s if not thousands are dying. Afghans will not accept the US presence in Afghanistan, and nor will the region.

The US occupation is the barrier to peace in Afghanistan and the rest of the region.

[Shehbaz Khan]

For how long will the Pakistani public stay in a state of self denial?

They blame raw,mossad,cia,khad,kgb etc etc

Just as you blame ISI and Pakistan.

but the facts are facts, the terrorists roam in Pakistan freely and the Pakistanis know it themselves.

That doesn't mean that Pakistan is allowing them to roam freely within Pakistan. They are a problem for Pakistan too.

Even the liberal secular Pakistanis would support Islamist militant groups in Afghanistan.

Whom do you support is my question? Do you support the US and NATO Troops?

Pakistan will always remain a external threat to Afghanistan for as long as it exists.

Brilliant, still you call us a brother officially? Let Pakistan be an external threat, stop crying about it and do something practical to avoid the threat. The same Pakistan when blocks the supply you guys cry and you call us threat?

The only reasonable solution to the problem of Pakistan is by fighting it off, with American and Nato assistance.

I am glad to hear that, you want more deaths and more killings of Pakhtuns as well as Non-Pakhtuns. Brilliant.

[abassinafghan]

isnt it quiet interessting , afghans and pashtuns lives arround the world , but i have never heard any of them praising the country in which they live like shebaz.

i mean he is so pakistani , it sounds like there is all gold over the pavement , and pashtuns lives in a country full of honey and milk .

oh wait , i have been there , actually its a rolochaurak life so they must really mentally screwed i guess the napakis used chinese brainwashing methods to convert them to ismaeli -shia - ali- jinah- british -raj-rolam mazab .

[tor_khan]

Tor Khan

chee khafa na shay, but can you kindly explain to me why are incidents that occured in the past taken so seriously in the Muslim world that people, I mean innocent people get killed because some dude betrayed another Muslim.

I still cant understand this mentality. What has the past of Arab heritage got to do with Pashtuns and Afghans.

This is where I stand strong and state that taking other peoples past into your own consideration is pure venom and demonic for the people as a whole.

I hope your not offended by my comment but sectarian violence in the Muslim world will continue to persist until the Muslim world contributes to some form of reformation in its society as a whole, because you and I know, there is hardly any form of intellectual freedom in the Muslim world that would not end with a bullet being shot into someones head because they felt offended by newly discovered science or public opinion on matters related to womens rights etc.

However, this problem originates from Punjab Pakistan, same with the Taliban, Afghanistan was slowly progressing out of the middle ages until Pakistan became a deterrent to it.

I am not offended Soldat, but in reponse to your point about why as Pashtuns we bother about events that happened in the Arab world centuries back:

The simple response is that as Pashtuns we are not entirely disconnected from Islam. Rather, Afghanistan, is almost completely surrounded by Muslim lands, so Islamic history exists both 'in-house' and on the doorstep. It's not surprising that we will talk about it or even find examples of events that have parallels to present day events.

The killings in Kabul on Ashura prompted me reflect on the history.

[tor_khan]

[QUOTE=unknownprince;553753]

Do you also think that Pakistan attacks Shiites in Parachinar, Lahore, and Karachi, that their agencies invest time and money in creating sectarian warfare in Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan? Is this not absurd? It is nonsensical, and even if we are to take the moral reason out, there is no benefit for any regional nation, including Pakistan and Iran to stoke sectarian warfare. In fact, it goes against regional interests/consensus to thwart designs by the West. Mohaqiq seems to have realized this, and his understanding is thorough.

There's a lot of speculation about what Pakistan (admittedly with tacit US support) does/doesn't do. As per your question, does Pakistan attack Shias to stoke sectarianism? Pakistan would know, but put it this way. Yesterday, I had to remove a comment in this very thread whereby someone wrote that the attack in Afghanistan 'accelerated' what Shias do to themselves on Ashura anyway. I can't tell you whether the poster was being insensitive or trying to justify the attack, but it clearly demonstrates the kind of opinion you might hear in some corners of Pakistan. Net result; I wouldn't be surprised if there was covert involvement.

[QUOTE=unknownprince;553753]

Ashura is in fact observed for Prophet Musa (pbuh). The martyrdom of Sayyidina Hussayn (ra) falls on this day, but according to Islamic law, deaths are not to be continuously mourned. Death is to be accepted as a part of life. This is another discussion for another time.

Agreed, but as you went on to elaborate in your posting, you then express an opinion that goes against the acceptance of death.

[gadoonwal]

so how did lashkari jangwi enter to kabul?
who was used for that?
where are those thousands of afghan and isaf security man guarding border?

if a govt can,nt protect its citezins then it has no right to rule.


grow up pashtuns and afghans
The US plan for long stay in our region for its stratigic interests and this violence is spread to extend its stay.

karzai an ex-isi agent now on payroll of CIA.

PAKISTAN is the loyal servant of west and its daughter ,,isi,,is the tool to spread violence.
Something is realy wrong with our own pashtuns cus why they kill their own for the good of pakistan and US?
WHY,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
WHY WOULD YOU KILL YOUR BROTHER FOR OTHERS?
WHERE IS THat so called nang and pashtunwali of ours?
The west and pakistani authorities are laughing it us.

[Karachi]

this picture broke my heart, really does it matter if they are shias? May Allah punish those people in the most severe manner who did this and also who support this, because with out support these things wont happen

[unknownprince]

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There's a lot of speculation about what Pakistan (admittedly with tacit US support) does/doesn't do. As per your question, does Pakistan attack Shias to stoke sectarianism? Pakistan would know, but put it this way.

It is valid to oppose Pakistan simply due to their continued support for the US war and occupation of Afghanistan, or shall I say their previous support (indications show it is finally over for good), however, to link every single thing that happens in Afghanistan to Pakistan is absurd and dangerous because it plays into the hands of those who want more war on the region.

These attacks on Ashura have happened in Iraq and Pakistan. If you are suggesting that Pakistan was behind the Ashura bombings yesterday in Afghanistan, then do you also think they are behind the Ashura bombings within Pakistan, and then going further out, in Iraq?

Yesterday, I had to remove a comment in this very thread whereby someone wrote that the attack in Afghanistan 'accelerated' what Shias do to themselves on Ashura anyway. I can't tell you whether the poster was being insensitive or trying to justify the attack, but it clearly demonstrates the kind of opinion you might hear in some corners of Pakistan.

The Sunni-Shiite division has been used and exploited by people from both sects. Its a mute point.

Net result; I wouldn't be surprised if there was covert involvement.


Agreed, but as you went on to elaborate in your posting, you then express an opinion that goes against the acceptance of death.

I did not express an opinion that goes against the acceptance of death.

Mourning for 1400 years is not acceptable Islamically, speaking. Secondly, it was the people who would become the Shiites themselves who are as guilty for the martyrdom of Sayyidina Hussayn (ra) as Yazid is. They in fact abandoned him at the last minute to be killed by the forces of Yazid.

Sayyidina Husseins (ra) martyrdom was also foretold by the angel Jibreil to the Prophet(pbuh). Many other companions and followers of the Prophet(pbuh) also were martyred in horrific ways. However, there does not appear to be any mourning for them. The simple reason is it is not permitted. The Prophet (pbuh) has been very forthcoming about mourning and self-abuse.

Mourning associated with Sayyidina Hussein (ra) martyrdom is forbidden by Islam.
Hadith - Al-Bukhari, vol.7, pp.193-4,# 254 and Sahih Muslim, vol.2, p.778, #3552
Umm 'Ateeyah said, "We were forbidden to mourn for more than three days for a dead person, except for a husband, in which case a woman should mourn for four months and ten days [during this period] we were not allowed to wear khol on our eyes, nor perfume ourselves, nor wear colored clothes, except 'asab cloth. It was permissable for us at the time of bathing at the end of menses to use a small amount of incense."

All the actions associated with Ashura mourning are also forbidden

• Abu Hurayrah narrated that the Prophet said,"There are two practices found among people, both of which indicate disbelief: ridiculing the ancestry (of others) and wailing over the dead." [Muslim, vol.1, p.44, #128]
• "Verily the dead are punished in thir graves by the wailing of their family over them." [Bukhari, vol.2, p.213, #379; Muslim, vol.2, p.439, #2015]
• The Prophet said, "The deceased who is wailed over is tortured for that wailing." [Bukhari 2.378, Narrated Al Mughira, r.a.]
• The Prophet said, "He who slaps the cheeks, tears the clothes and follows the tradition of the Days of Ignorance is not from us." [Bukhari 2.385, Narrated Abdullah, r.a.]

However, it is no ones position to judge other observant Muslims which Shiite Muslims are. Differences should always be respected, and Allah(swt) is the best judge. It appears outsiders are trying to further divide the Muslim world along these sectarian lines, and it is something to be very alert about.


This is all off topic as one is trying to see who is exactly behind this, and why a faulty claim by an unverified group has been made to a US media source?

Back to this supposed attack by Muslims.

The supposed claim made to the US FUNDED Radio Free Liberty Europe is very weak, and at this stage remains unverified. Such a weak and unverified claim will only make people realize who exactly is behind this. The fact that Radio Free Liberty Europe is US funded, and was the first to publish this claim raises one major question rather then resolving the issue of responsibility.

A point, and one that should ring alarm bells is that no militant group previously has ever called a US media source to make their claims.

The instability in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the entire region is linked to the US presence and meddling, nothing else.