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  • #16
    Originally posted by al-arab View Post
    I reported you for that senseless and untrue posts
    .
    Who are Pakistanis btw? Never heard about such a race before? Sindh, Punjab, Pahstun, Baloch? Who are you?

    No wonder that you give a bad name for "Pakistanis" in the Arab world.....

    And since when is Pakistan a so called democracy??

    Apart from that how dare you to disrespect all the braves Arabs who gave their life to remove secular dictators for the cause of Islam?[/QUOTE]

    For 50 years you people were sleeping, then i see sudden uprising...i give credit to westren powers...brave arabs my ass. .....

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Luffy View Post
      .
      Who are Pakistanis btw? Never heard about such a race before? Sindh, Punjab, Pahstun, Baloch? Who are you?

      No wonder that you give a bad name for "Pakistanis" in the Arab world.....

      And since when is Pakistan a so called democracy??

      Apart from that how dare you to disrespect all the braves Arabs who gave their life to remove secular dictators for the cause of Islam?
      For 50 years you people were sleeping, then i see sudden uprising...i give credit to westren powers...brave arabs my ass. .....[/QUOTE]

      Why are you not replying my question?

      Which people do you belong to?

      You are not very clever. I hope you get a ban for your racist comments and untrue remarks.

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      • #18
        The most racist people on earth: okhan

        Pakistanis themselves, mired in denial
        and ever-ready to engage in the
        pantomime of pretending to be Arab,
        are inured to this reality of Arab
        racism. Easily appeased with the
        promise of Gulf jobs when their own country is in shambles they consider
        any paltry thankless employment a
        godsend “We need slaves to build monuments,”
        says an Iraqi engineer living in Abu
        Dhabi to a reporter from the Guardian.
        In the published report he goes to add
        that he would never use the metro if it
        wasn’t segregated since “we would never sit next to Pakistanis and
        Indians because of their smell”. The dismal condition of Pakistani
        labourers in the Gulf States is well
        known and the above statements are
        merely reflections of the deep-seeded
        and overtly racist attitudes of Arabs in
        the Gulf and otherwise towards Pakistanis. The same Guardian report also details
        how Pakistani slave labourers work
        up to eighteen hours a day and often
        live twenty to a room without any
        ventilation and with only a single
        bathroom for several hundred people. Several do not see their families for
        four to ten year periods, unable to
        afford the airfare home and many die
        on the job. Without any insurance scheme families
        are often not notified of deaths for
        months and the only compensation
        available to them is through an
        underground system through which
        other workers donate thirty dirham each which is then collected and
        donated. The strictly segregated
        society means that the rich Arabs
        never come across the lowly Pakistani
        workers who build their roads, clean
        their floors and drive their cars. But in recent years, the oil-rich barons
        of the Gulf have found a new use for
        slave labour that goes beyond
        cleaning bathrooms and picking trash
        off the streets of Dubai. A recent
        statement issued by Special Envoy Richard Holbrooke in Brussels
        revealed that the Taliban are being
        funded by individuals from the Gulf
        States. Secretary Holbrooke said: “The
        Taliban receive more funding from the
        Gulf States than they do from the narcotics trade”. As has been reported by several
        Pakistani newspapers, this means that
        the sources of foreign funding for the
        Taliban are greater than the
        approximate USD100 million they
        receive from the narcotics trade based on poppy cultivation inside
        Afghanistan. While Holbrooke was careful to note
        that the money is not coming from
        governments but rather from
        individuals, his statement, based on
        credible reports tracing wire transfers
        from the region, illustrates a new use that rich Gulf Arabs have found for
        expendable Pakistani lives. Similar to the onerous burden of
        cleaning one’s own bathrooms, or
        drilling one’s own oil or building one’s
        own monuments, the task of fighting
        one’s own holy war has proven to be
        far too burdensome for Arabs intoxicated with the seemingly never-
        ending largesse of a resource-fuelled
        economy. Smelly Pakistanis, the Arabs
        have discovered, are not only good
        enough to build crass monuments to
        consumerism but also to fight misguided holy wars that destroy
        nations and eviscerate thousands of
        innocent lives. Holbrooke’s statement is not the only
        basis for believing that the Taliban are
        receiving support from the Gulf States.
        In May of this year, the United Nations
        sent out an international appeal for aid
        for the nearly 2 million people displaced by the fighting in the tribal
        areas and the NWFP. While the US has
        pledged USD320 million for the IDPs
        and the EU has pledged up to USD121
        million, no significant pledges have
        been made from the Gulf States. This strange dichotomy in which our
        supposed Muslim brethren have
        turned their back on the suffering of
        the people of Swat, Buner and Dir
        makes far more sense in light of new
        information that illustrates that in picking sides, rich sheikhs from the
        Gulf have chosen to place their bets
        with the Taliban rather than with the
        Pakistani soldiers fighting them. Pakistanis themselves, mired in denial
        and ever-ready to engage in the
        pantomime of pretending to be Arab,
        are inured to this reality of Arab
        racism. Easily appeased with the
        promise of Gulf jobs when their own country is in shambles they consider
        any paltry thankless employment,
        even if it denies them basic human
        rights, a godsend. Ironically, the standards they expect
        non-Muslim countries like the United
        States and the European Union to
        uphold in terms of equal employment,
        egalitarian laws and freedom of
        expression are all abandoned when it comes to the assessment of Arab
        nations. No attention is given for
        example to the Arabs’ discriminatory
        employment practices that pay a
        Pakistani a fraction of what is paid to a
        European citizen for the same engineering job. Some workers make as little as 400
        dirhams a month, barely able to afford
        meals while surrounded by
        unimaginable excess. Even less
        emphasis is received by the
        condescending and racist attitudes of Gulf law enforcement authorities that
        regularly detain immigrant workers
        without any legal process and
        routinely beat and abuse them. All this injustice, perhaps because it is
        committed by fellow Muslims, who
        make a great pretence at religious
        devotion, is somehow unthinkingly
        and unquestioningly forgiven. The fact
        that such discrimination overtly and blatantly flouts any minimal allegiance
        to the concept of the Islamic ummah is
        never even considered. This latest news presents an urgent
        challenge to the apathy of those
        Pakistanis unwilling to acknowledge
        the reality of Arab discrimination and
        disdain toward South Asians. The fact
        that Gulf sheikhs are contributing hundreds of millions of dollars to the
        Taliban who are bombing schools,
        marauding villages and devastating
        the economy and infrastructure of our
        nation while shutting their coffers to
        the IDPs languishing in tents should irk even the most minimal nationalist. More pressingly, it should expose the
        duplicity of our Arab overlords who,
        while freely engaging in debaucheries
        behind their castle walls now wish to
        use the Taliban to impose a virulent
        and dogmatic form of Islam on the poor smelly Pakistanis. Sending money to fuel a war that is
        depleting Pakistan’s already meagre
        resources, turning young men and
        boys into human bombs and
        transforming Pakistani cities into
        battlegrounds exposes their desire to condemn Pakistan into oblivion.
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        • #19
          Arab Racism against Non-Arabs:
          Slavery in our Times Irfan Husain
          The Daily DAWN
          Karachi, Pakistan
          Among the many daily tragedies
          blighting the lives of Asian migrant
          workers in the Middle East is the harassment, physical abuse and
          cruelty they have to put up with if they
          want to stay. A recent issue of Sri
          Lanka’s Daily Mirror informed us that
          more than 300 Sri Lankan women
          workers had left Bahrain over the last six months, complaining of “physical
          abuse, sexual harassment, non-
          payment of salaries and being over-
          worked”.
          According to Mr Higgoda, Sri Lanka’s
          honorary consul to Bahrain, “We are handling many cases where the maids
          are assaulted by employers. Some
          were not paid for months and some
          were denied medial care, enough food
          or the right to go home, and also faced
          violence and harassment… If the maids want to leave their work and
          complain to the police, they are called
          runaways by their employers. As a
          result, the victim is usually deported,
          after serving time in custody.”
          An extreme case of this nature is that of Ms Sumiati Binti Salan Mustapa, a 23-
          year old Indonesian worker in Saudi
          Arabia, who was recently hospitalised
          after her face and mouth were
          savagely cut with scissors, and her
          body burned with a hot iron. Just seeing her slashed face is enough to
          give you nightmares. To the best of my
          knowledge, her Saudi employers – the
          people responsible for the attack —
          are still free, despite the government’s
          assurances to the Indonesian authorities of its intentions to
          investigate the assault.
          One reason Saudi employers get away
          with this routine mistreatment of
          foreign employees is that despite the
          terrible conditions many of them are forced to endure, many Asians are still
          willing to come to the kingdom.
          Currently, around 80,000 Indonesians
          flock to Saudi Arabia every year. And
          yet, talking about the attack on Ms
          Mustapa, the Indonesian foreign minister said: “Everyone knows about
          these abuse cases, they happen all the
          time.”
          But both the employees and their
          governments are desperate for the
          remittances they send back home. Hence the conspiracy of silence.
          According to Human Rights Watch,
          many Asian domestic workers suffer
          “conditions of slavery”. Saudi Arabia
          alone has some 8.8 million foreign
          workers, most of them from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and
          Indonesia.
          This works out to two foreign workers
          for every Saudi.
          Despite the appalling conditions they
          work under, and the duration of their stay, none of these unfortunate
          people ever acquire citizenship rights.
          They are thus vulnerable to constant
          abuse with virtually no laws to protect
          them. Ignored by the police and their
          own governments, they fear deportation if they leave their
          employers.
          This pattern is repeated across the
          Middle East with hundreds of cases of
          abuse being reported throughout the
          region. Dubai built its skyscrapers on the backs of tens of thousands of
          brutally exploited South Asian
          construction workers, and yet they
          have remained invisible to the
          shoppers who flock to this island of
          glitz and fool’s gold. Then there was the scandal of child
          jockeys from Pakistan – some as
          young as five and six — who were
          tied on to racing camels.
          Many fell to their deaths, and others
          were crippled for life. It took years of international outrage to persuade the
          UAE government to ban this
          disgusting practice. Successive
          Pakistani governments remained silent
          spectators to this crime.
          Migrant workers are exploited all over the world as mostly, they work in a
          grey area with few rights and little
          protection. But nowhere is the abuse
          as flagrant as in the Middle East.
          Because few employers responsible
          for assaulting their staff are ever prosecuted, most citizens feel they can
          torture those they employ with
          impunity. States exporting this labour
          do not want to upset the host
          countries by demanding a proper
          enquiry and prosecution as they want to keep the petro dollars flowing into
          their coffers.
          Had Asian workers been subjected to
          the same kind of abuse in the West as
          they are in the Middle East, the media
          and civil society groups would have been up in arms. As it is, millions of
          migrant workers have become citizens
          of the Western countries they live and
          work in. They and their families now
          benefit from all the advantages of
          being in welfare societies with free education and medical care and,
          above all, protection of the law.
          What causes this widespread abuse of
          the weak in so many countries in the
          Middle East? Clearly, their seems to be a
          deep contempt for those not of Arab descent. And while Westerners are
          given favoured status, other non-
          Arabs are subjected to the worst kind
          of racism. This despite our loud
          proclamations of the equality that
          supposedly exists in Islamic societies.These double standards are
          common knowledge, and yet few in
          our part of the world are willing to
          speak about it. The racism inherent in
          the situation has its roots in the early
          days of Islam. Tarek Fatah, the Pakistani-Canadian
          intellectual, has quoted Maulana
          Maudoodi, the founder of the Jamat-i-
          Islami, in his ground-breaking book
          Chasing a Mirage [The Tragic Illusion
          of an Islamic State]: “Right from the start, the
          Umayyad government took on
          the colours of an Arab
          government in which the equality
          of the Arabs and non-Arabs was
          negated. In clear violation of Islamic principles, the Arab rulers
          imposed Jazia on non-Arab
          Muslims… Non-Arab Muslims felt
          that they were the slaves of the
          Arabs…” Fatah also quotes Professor Liyakat
          Takim of the University of Denver: “(Under the Umayyads between
          661 and 750) Arab Muslims were
          granted honorific status
          relegating, in the process, non-
          Arabs to a status of second class
          citizens. Despite the Quranic injunction of egalitarianism, Arab
          sense of pride in Arab identity
          reasserted itself soon after the
          Prophet’s (PBUH) death. Non-
          Arab converts to Islam, whatever
          their previous social status, were treated as second-class citizens.” And if this is their attitude towards
          non-Arab Muslims, imagine how they
          must feel about non-Muslim Asians.
          Clearly, this racist mindset has only
          grown stronger over time. Now, with
          egos bloated with billions of dollars in newly acquired unearned wealth
          derived from an accident of geology,
          many in the Middle East feel they are
          chosen above all others, and can
          mistreat those less fortunate than
          them. Until states exporting surplus workers
          to the region begin to assert their
          rights, this modern version of slavery
          will continue.
          2010 November 24 DAWN.COM | Latest news, Breaking news, Pakistan News, world news, business, sport and multimedia.
          slave...our-times.html

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          • #20
            A blog about racist okh people

            I wrote a blog a few months back about not wanting to go to Dubai and
            I got a few responses that said that I
            should try my luck as it is land of
            opportunities. As it was a light piece, I
            never raised my biggest concern but I
            think that Arabs are the biggest bigots and most staunch racist people on
            planet earth and one must avoid them
            if one can. Some people, especially
            those who wear their religion on their
            sleeves (and face, head and ankles)
            would be offended that their brothers in faith are attacked in such a manner,
            but it is the truth. Unlike Western
            democracies, Arab racism is
            entrenched in law and a non Arab
            person has no hope for a fair judicial
            trial if pitted against an Arab. There are racist and bigots in the West, but being
            racist is generally considered a bad
            thing and no one would openly flaunt
            their racism like Arabs do. During my recent trip to Italy, I had a
            chance to travel with Arabs. We were
            waiting at the Venice train station late
            one night and the minute they would
            see either a black person or a South
            Asian (there are lots of South Indians and Bangladeshis in Venice), they
            would huddle closer and try and hide
            their bags. I was also implored to hide
            my purse under my coat as they
            feared that any suspicious looking
            man (read black or desi) may snatch it away. When I looked at one
            particularly suspicious man, he turned
            out to be an Indian factory worker
            from Hyderabad in blue overalls,
            probably going back to his home after
            a long grueling day (I know it because I went up to him and spoke with him
            for ten minutes after my argument
            with the Arabs). When I said that he
            seems like a harmless man, the girl
            said, “These people (South Asians) are
            jealous of Arabs and their wealth and would rob us any chance they get.”
            Outraged that I was, I said, “In case
            you have failed to notice, I too am one
            of these people (South Asian).” To
            which she said, “But you are my
            Muslim sister.” I told her point blank that if I have to form an association
            with anyone, I would rather associate
            myself with the factory worker from
            Hyderabad. After all, we share the skin
            colour, food, history and we both
            work for a living, something to which Arabs are not really familiar with. The reason for this tirade of mine is
            that I just read this article in Guardian where an Iraqi Arab living in UAE
            proudly said that he will never use the
            new metro if it's not segregated and
            will never sit next to Indians and
            Pakistanis with their smell. “We need
            slaves; we need slaves to build monuments. Look who built the
            pyramids - they were slaves,” he
            further added. If anyone has shown such unabashed
            racism and cruelty to fellow human
            beings in any other part of the world,
            they would have been taken to task. If
            nothing else, they would have been
            bashed in the media. In Arab wonderland of Dubai, it happens
            everyday and it is sanctioned by law.
            They take pride in racism and bigotry
            and it seems that they are extremely
            proud of it

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            • #21
              I have very little sympathy for racists like you who cry about what other people (similar to yourself) do to other races.

              My reply to you.



              And you still have not replied to my post? Who are you? Pashtun, Punjab, Baloch, Sindh?

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              • #22
                I am a pashtun of pakistan.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Luffy View Post
                  I am a pashtun of pakistan.
                  Thank you for your answer.

                  Then why do you defend Pakistan so much and it's government? I have no problem with any peoples even Jews I haven nothing against (only Zionists).

                  Pakistan is the reason why there is nu Pashtun country. The reason for conflict in Afghanistan also (among many other aspects).

                  Apparently most other "Pakistan" peoples (Sindh and Punjabi especially) treat Pashtun bad? Mosly Punjabi I have heard.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by al-arab View Post
                    Thank you for your answer.

                    Then why do you defend Pakistan so much and it's government? I have no problem with any peoples even Jews I haven nothing against (only Zionists).

                    Pakistan is the reason why there is nu Pashtun country. The reason for conflict in Afghanistan also (among many other aspects).

                    Apparently most other "Pakistan" peoples (Sindh and Punjabi especially) treat Pashtun bad? Mosly Punjabi I have heard.
                    there is a pashtun country and its called Afghanistan

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                    • #25
                      Yes, but the Pashtun areas in Pakistan should belong to Afghanistan. That will not happen because of Pakistan existance.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by al-arab View Post
                        Yes, but the Pashtun areas in Pakistan should belong to Afghanistan. That will not happen because of Pakistan existance.
                        i personally think whole of pakistan and afghanistan should merge and than claim indian muslim regions.

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                        • #27
                          Pakistan is federation of four nations, it is not like iraq which is arab country and kurds are a minority. I am pashtun by ethnicity and pakistani by nationality. Indians and punjabis make pathan jokes but in real life they cant make fun of us, generally they are scared of pashtuns. In pakistan no ethnicity has guts to "treat us bad"
                          your arabs treat poor pashtun workers in gulf very badly and humiliate them.
                          Last edited by Michin Khel; 12-06-2011, 01:34 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Luffy View Post
                            Pakistan is federation of four nations, it is not like iraq which is arab country and kurds are a minority. I am pashtun by ethnicity and pakistani by nationality. Indians and punjabis make pathan jokes but in real life they cant make fun of us, generally they are scared of pashtuns. In pakistan ethnicity has guts to "treat us bad"
                            your arabs treat poor pashtun workers in gulf very badly and humiliate them.
                            I agree Graveyardofmepires but then the puppet governments should be removed and people from different nationalities should stop their hatred and forget former problems before it can succeed. This is what I feel.

                            Luffy:

                            Well I am aware of that but still their was (and maybe still is to some extent) discrimination towards the minorities in Pakistan from the two biggest group of people (Punjabi and Sindh). That you cannot hide.

                            Not all Arabs do that. There are very few Arabs in the Gulf. I think less than 10 million in total. And not everyone do that kind you have described. So again you generalize which is not good and most importantly un-Islamic.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by graveyardofempires View Post
                              i personally think whole of pakistan and afghanistan should merge and than claim indian muslim regions.
                              That would be a ideal situation if all nationalism was gone from all sides

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                              • #30
                                Karachi and Luffy :

                                Mere pakistani bhayoo, iskee baat na suno ........

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