Speech of a member of the Taliban after US attack in 2011 on Islamic Emirate of Afgha

[Maiwand]

[Afghanistan2010]

These are verily the sons of islam,the sons of our great forefathers like mirwais neka,ahmad shah abdali and others (may Allah have mercy on them)

[Insaaf_انصاف]

May allah show him the right way...

[abassinafghan]

again its interessting how the small boys who never been there and never lived there and especially didnt lived in this time there , have new heros, because its easy to say strong words , with sulum , islam , kuffar etc.

The plan to attack afghanistan existed before 9/11 , however the taliban made it much easier , by haboring some ranagade arabs for some little cash , and trying to play the perfect muslim society , dont care about their own country nor their own goverment .

do you know what they said back then , when they were asked , why they dont do anything against the poverty , their answer was allah tallah will take care of the well being of the people , and that poverty is not such a bad thing at all , and people should care about their after life , then care about the now .

they failed to gain recognition as a goverment , by intention of the pakis and their advice , and they failed to show the world that they are not the ones to blame for 9/11 , its not their business to give refuge to arab millioners who want to play war lord or what ever . period .
nor was it their duty to declare "global jihad on the kuffar or show support to any one who does .

the sole duty they had as rulers were the ones of the well being of the people .

and to all this people who praise the taliban for being such good muslims , just go to the watan and ask the people ,how great the life was back then . and come to reality , and if they are so great than dont hesitate and join , i can give addresses . well , could you imagine what they would have done with you if you were listening to music , or if they have seen you , using a computer ??? watching movies on it ?

JUST BECAUSE THE AMERICAN ARE DIRT , it doesnt make the taliban any better !!!!

the people are not fighting for an incompetent mullah with one eye , for their selfes .

[unknownprince]

I doubt your statements Abassin

You start making non issues when karzai filth rats (traitors) are criticized and then claim to criticize him too

[abassinafghan]

unknown you are a little child , see the world in such simple good and bad views , you have no idea who karzai or his father and families is or what they are , or what they have really done, i know that you are grown up in the west , and i see that you want simple and clear solutions and lines ,but the world is not simple and easy .

there is no ratio or reason in the history of the last 30 years ,we can blame all and none


you also fail to see , that just you are against one evil it doesnt make the other evil better , for us its no difference wether americans suppress us by using some tajik criminals or we are told that we are free ,and continue to live in agony and poverty by people who are orderd by isi daal khors or being said , that its our destiny to live so . and just do what they want us to do by a proxy .

our people are dying , but you fail to see the reasons for it , i doesnt mean any of this high going ideological pharese , good vs bad , forces of evil and kufr bla bla bla .

but the simple effects and the reasons why things happend , and how they happend .

[BarakzaiAbdali]

unknown you are a little child , see the world in such simple good and bad views , you have no idea who karzai or his father and families is or what they are , or what they have really done, i know that you are grown up in the west , and i see that you want simple and clear solutions and lines ,but the world is not simple and easy .

there is no ratio or reason in the history of the last 30 years ,we can blame all and none


you also fail to see , that just you are against one evil it doesnt make the other evil better , for us its no difference wether americans suppress us by using some tajik criminals or we are told that we are free ,and continue to live in agony and poverty by people who are orderd by isi daal khors or being said , that its our destiny to live so . and just do what they want us to do by a proxy .

our people are dying , but you fail to see the reasons for it , i doesnt mean any of this high going ideological pharese , good vs bad , forces of evil and kufr bla bla bla .

but the simple effects and the reasons why things happend , and how they happend .

yes but this is because you ignore the history that predates these events. you forget how these arabs ended up in Afghanistan. For you, time point zero was 9/11 because you choose to ignore uncomfortable histories that perfectly delineate how much of a horrible human being Najib and his communists were. You gloss over the errors they made when they tried to put reforms onto the people by force.

You ignore the role of the West in the Muslim world in general and their actions abroad that created this mess. Instead, your solution was simply: Ban Arabs (i.e. treat the symptom but not the disease).

Why not ban Karzai? The arabs actually died in battle for the soil. Where was Karzai the whole time? Where was Mojadidi?

The one who bleeds for the soil is the one that earns the right to live on it. You do not need to live in Afghanistan, in a cave, on the moon, or in the sky to note this fact.

The Britishers had Lord nelson, Lord Robertson, the Americans had Washington and others who were their Khans and leaders who led from the front. This is why their nations succeed. The Muslim world has Maliki and Karzai and others who lived in mudbathes abroad and led from the back.

So my friend, you are grossly uneducated on history. If Osama Bin Ladin fought in Afghanistan against the Russians and Karzai was sitting in Islamabad hotels drinking shnaay chai while his country men were bleeding who earned the right to live on Afghan soil?

And save me the Brzenzski garbage and how the Americans implanted the Muj there. Thats complete BS.

The rural masses did not like the Parcham and Khalqi idiotic forced land reforms and they revolted. Plain and simple.

Leaders lead. Period.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

unknown you are a little child , see the world in such simple good and bad views , you have no idea who karzai or his father and families is or what they are , or what they have really done, i know that you are grown up in the west , and i see that you want simple and clear solutions and lines ,but the world is not simple and easy .

there is no ratio or reason in the history of the last 30 years ,we can blame all and none


you also fail to see , that just you are against one evil it doesnt make the other evil better , for us its no difference wether americans suppress us by using some tajik criminals or we are told that we are free ,and continue to live in agony and poverty by people who are orderd by isi daal khors or being said , that its our destiny to live so . and just do what they want us to do by a proxy .

our people are dying , but you fail to see the reasons for it , i doesnt mean any of this high going ideological pharese , good vs bad , forces of evil and kufr bla bla bla .

but the simple effects and the reasons why things happend , and how they happend .

Why does these Afghans who live there have an opinion that differs from yours?

http://www.aljazeera.com/video/asia/...315358960.html

Why does your opinion matter more than theirs?

Its not that Mr. Bin Ladin was a good man or a bad man or a great man or a dumb man or a smart man.

The simple matter is that Taj Wardak, Ashraf Ghani, and all these people did not lead their men into battle. They did not earn the respect of the Afghan people Abbas. And I sorely wish this was different. Its embrassing for our people. Ahmad Shah Durrani and Mir wais would have led their people. Khushaal Khan would have died with his people. Thats why they were respected. There are historically accurate stories of Ahmad Shah leading his men into battle and jumping FIRST into the river while the arrows were flying. THAT is called leadership.

And you cannot ignore or get around this fact. People follow leaders. And leaders are willing to sacrifice. If there was footage of Mr. Karzai getting wounded in battle like these Arabs or leading while the Red Army was massacering people, then the Afghan people would have more faith in them.

Instead there are just Peshawar 7 talks and chai parties

[BarakzaiAbdali]

And Abbassina this is not an advocacy point over who should rule. Its just the way the world works. If you take say Libya as an example, I can illustrate this.

Lets say a Libyan doctor from America goes to Libya and wants to lead.

Dont the Libyan people have the right to say:

Hey wait a minute Pal. We suffered. We had to deal with Gaddafi stopping us in airports because we hadnt shaved for 3 days asking us about Islamist links. We almost got massacered in Benghazi. We were here ALL these years and we were here during the brunt of the fighting. Where were you?

So the Libyan American doctor says: Well I had no choice... I mean my family left because we were in dire straits. I worked hard abroad and I want to do well for my people.

The Libyans will say: Great.. we are happy you want to do good for your people now prove it. Here is a run down hospital in the village. Teach our doctors. But just because you are a columbia grad with a harvard MD doesnt give you the right to think you can just step into the presidency. You didnt suffer with us... you did not lead us in our time of turmoil.

This is natural human behavior.

Why is it that the birther rumor works so well against Obama in rural America? Its because he viewed as an elitest outsider. Why was Clinton mired in controversy when he did not go to Vietnam but Bush Senior was seen as a fighter pilot hero? Clinton had to rely on his rural poor man roots in Arkansas to overcome this rumor. The charge against him was that he was too busy protesting vietnam from London and was viewed as anti American.

It was really the education of the American people in some regard in the urban areas and Clinton's rural touch that overcame these charges.

To lighten the mood, I think Tony Montana says it best:

Scarface - the only thing that gives orders is balls - YouTube

[abassinafghan]

you talk about respect ? you talk about battle and leading people ,fighting and killing ?

and than you show a aljazeera video , where people are supposed to have sympathie for bin laden ? just ask yourself how this come to they conclusion that they see bin laden as a good muslim and as what he was after all . and why they are showing this video and the meassage is .
we both know that its hekmatyars region- and i am sure there more than enough people who said something different and which were are not shown , this is called tendicious journalism and opionion shappeing

how naive are you ? you are an educated man a doctor , but still you seems

to be blind and fall for the obvious , your beloved taliban dont fight for

anything but their own power , and dont confuse the people with taliban ,

this a main missconception ,do you really think the people were sooo happy

with taliban ? no they were not , thats the reason why in 01 02 03 , the

situation was quiet, the reason why the americans lost is , they get into

the trap , by terrorising the people , by leting getting used from shamal ,

and fighting a dirty war which is not theirs . thats the reason why people

sided with the taliban , not because they love the amir sahib and is sole eye .

you always post articles about history with small details ,but which fail to explain the situation .

we are suffering for 30 years and are suppossed to fight the battle of others , and let me tell you one thing the people are sick of it , they are not so stupid like many people suppose to be they are much smarter .

did you ever asked your self how many people are happy about the war ? how many are taking advantage of it , how many profit ? and who those people are ?

local as regional as international ?

where did us lead all this fighting ? to be called by some good for nothing pakis or arabs "good /great" muslims ? to be proud that we are independent even we are controlled thrue 3 proxies ?

our people are starving they have no jobs , no access to medical treatment , no education ,our country is sold off and our natural ressourcess are plunderd by strangers .our soil is poisend .

and let us just assume the americans will go , what then ? what should happen ? what will happen ? i never hear anything about how it will look afterwards ? will be again daal khor saimansab running in khandahar or kabul telling people what they should do or not ? or stupid arabs who play warlord for some us dollars , and feel they are some kind of generals ?


what i see here , is that they are some young kids , who are frustrated and upset that their people suffer and who got angry about it , but anger is not an answer , it lead us no where .


you talk about mir wais neka , take his example , he was not only brave like a lion but also chalak like a gidala .and managed not only get out of prision by convincing the ones who captured him , but at the end he punished the ones who did this to him after take advantage out of them .

thats the true face of a successful politician , and later a hero .

if he was just so simple minded he have been died before as a shaid or in captivity .

[Soldat_Amir]

You know some people here are just too gullible.

I hope one day they will realize how misled they are unless they are a bunch of Pakis posing as Afghans.

Let me remind you guys of some historical facts. Before the Taliban pushed for a new operation to take over Mazar I Sharif in North Afghanistan, why did the Taliban request support from Pakistan in the form of 2 billion rupees and also from Saudi Arabia as well?

Some people are children on this forum, they have no idea of how dependent Taliban were on Pakistan and the Nasty Saudis, I guess some here, even believe that Allah will shower the Taliban with money from the skies, that proved to be wrong when the Americans bombed the hell out of the Taliban and the Punjabi militants back in 2001.

You see people its no use, these Western born Afghans/Pakis talib supporters have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, you just wait till they get lashed by the Taliban for listening to music or speaking girls to the internet, then we will see how they will cry for mummy and daddy to take them back home.

Afghanistan2010, barakzaiabdali, Alchemist, unknownprince, al hanif and the rest are happy to see Taliban give shelter to Arabs and Punjabi Militants, Graveyardofempires, who is a frustrated little boy has no idea that his hero Mullah Omar gave shelter and food for 1000s of Punjabi Militants all over Afghanistan.

Its typical of people who have no idea what they are talking about.

[Afghanistan2010]

You know some people here are just too gullible.

I hope one day they will realize how misled they are unless they are a bunch of Pakis posing as Afghans.

Let me remind you guys of some historical facts. Before the Taliban pushed for a new operation to take over Mazar I Sharif in North Afghanistan, why did the Taliban request support from Pakistan in the form of 2 billion rupees and also from Saudi Arabia as well?

Some people are children on this forum, they have no idea of how dependent Taliban were on Pakistan and the Nasty Saudis, I guess some here, even believe that Allah will shower the Taliban with money from the skies, that proved to be wrong when the Americans bombed the hell out of the Taliban and the Punjabi militants back in 2001.

You see people its no use, these Western born Afghans/Pakis talib supporters have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, you just wait till they get lashed by the Taliban for listening to music or speaking girls to the internet, then we will see how they will cry for mummy and daddy to take them back home.

Afghanistan2010, barakzaiabdali, Alchemist, unknownprince, al hanif and the rest are happy to see Taliban give shelter to Arabs and Punjabi Militants, Graveyardofempires, who is a frustrated little boy has no idea that his hero Mullah Omar gave shelter and food for 1000s of Punjabi Militants all over Afghanistan.

Its typical of people who have no idea what they are talking about.

if you were from pakistan and you claim to be waziri would be completely okay and alittel laughable,but you are not even close to pakistani to claim you are wazir.....a chinese man from beijing is more waziri than you ever could be.