Afghan Rape Victim Freed from Jail After Agreeing to Marry Rapist

[IamDZJ]

^ Wrora who are you to say who is Muslim and who is not?

al hanif is an idiot. you don't have to be a rocket scientist to differentiate between black and white.

[ScimitarXEdge]

^ Wrora who are you to say who is Muslim and who is not?

I'm someone who has the basic sense in their brain to know that a Muslim would never say or think the things Al Khaneeth does please do not dignify him by calling him Hanif, because is is anything but muhnaf. he is mukhnath.\

If you think otherwise, you can also take a hike as well; as a low life to tries to corrupt Islam and make it look like a disgusting system of tyranny and misogyny.

[Iqra]

al hanif is an idiot. you don't have to be a rocket scientist to differentiate between black and white.

I haven't paid attention to him.

I'm someone who has the basic sense in their brain to know that a Muslim would never say or think the things Al Khaneeth does please do not dignify him by calling him Hanif, because is is anything but muhnaf. he is mukhnath.\

If you think otherwise, you can also take a hike as well; as a low life to tries to corrupt Islam and make it look like a disgusting system of tyranny and misogyny.

Seriously? First of all refer to what I said to DaZahro... and secondly why so hostile? lol ... If he's doing wrong then you surely know he won't succeed ..

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Why has this become such a complex issue in the Muslim world? The majority of us who are literate and who have done even a single Khatam e Quran and read the hadith Scimitar posted (the most familiar one seen in nearly every Mosque I've ever been to in regard to this discussion) seen to be set up a just and simple system:

I am no alim. So no need to read on after that first sentence, lol. And I would love to hear thoughts on my reasoning below:

But I thought, per my reading of the Quran that in cases of both adultery and fornication the final leg of the evidence chain comes down to an honor system of competitive oaths. Meaning that God puts the burden on the believers saying: OK, there are punishments and as true believers you are expected to carry out these orders. But, at the end of it all, you being true to the your shahadath (statement of faith) comes down to each person's ability to see it through.

The Quranic ayaahs on the subject seem to: first ask a burden of proof to be given. If there is the provided proof with reasonable and reliable witnesses or some substitute thereof, then case closed.

However, even then.... even then with witnesses and proofs, it appears that the Quran we have in our hands then says that both parties, even if the proof is tremendous can take an oath and they take the oath a certain number of times.

So as an example:

Let us take this Afghan case as a practical implication. The two parties, the male involved and the female involved were being evaluated for two crimes: either fornication since the girl was not married and adultery for the male involved (earlier articles had said he was imprisoned). The women then said that she had actually not had any consensual relationship with the gentleman and that it was rape. So then a third consideration came into being:

So the crime list possibilities were

Male: adultery for sure... rape possibly
Female: innocence versus fornication.

At the end of the day of the crime is prosecuted, and REMEMBER the key thing here is one cannot be purely emotional simply because this is a female. I mean what if the man did not rape her? What if it was consensual? Thats a possibility. Even in the American court system, there has to be a burden of proof established for someone to be proven a rapist. Just as she deserves the benefit of the doubt, so does he.

What it would boil down to then, if the Quranic law was executed with justice, it seems to me is:

No DNA evidence, no witness evidence that the man committed rape... but if the child is proven his, in the least he committed consensual adultery. So then his punishment would be rajm regardless.

Now for the woman, based on surah 24, she has the option of swearing a series of oaths that she did not have consensual zina with this individual and that she was raped.

And then the idea is that the weight of the sin is left between her and her Lord. She goes off free. If she was lying then she will be severely punished on the judgement day.

I thought the proof of this line of reasoning was that one man came and confessed to adultery and met the punishment, per the Bukhari hadith. Someone mocked him as he was being stoned and the Prophet rebuked the mocker indicating that the man had been absolved in this life.

So either way, in this scenario, under what I thought true shariah law says, the man would meet his end and the woman, if she were to swear a series of oaths, would be able to legitimize the issue of rape.

Forgive me if I have misinterpreted the ayaahs.

[abassinafghan]

al hanif how many women were stoned in morroco or france in the last 50 years , i mean the issue of premariage relations is taken very easy also among the people in france , there are alot of north african girls with muslim background who commit zina .

how many of them did you actually punished for their behaviour , again start to clean your own people before you start to judge the acts of others ...

i guess i have to go to a marrocon board and start to talk like you and wait how long it takes till i get kicked out ....

[Michin Khel]

Lets put aside the discussion of punishment of adultery in islam...think about the news....the girl claims that she was raped...al-hanif says that she has to prove that she was raped....Abbasinafghan claims that there are lot of north african girls in france who commit zina....This is common behaviour in our muslim socities, girl is more highlited and criticized in such cases than boy and she suffers more...In this news there is character of possible rapist, neither afghan governament nor you people are interested in him...the main culprit in the story according to description is woman...it is a common thinking in our society that woman is fitna of shaitan...people take meaning of fitna in another sense...like woman is some kind of agent of shaitan created to sexually provoke man...
Few weeks ago my sufi classfellow of same batch approached me in medical ward and said to me that i should'nt talk with female batch fellows.. I said 'why?'.. He said "dena nazro zinna kegi awo imaan kamzoregi"....i pointed my finger at a bed and said to him "da bed 13 bande kom female patient prata da, ighe ta ogora"...he looked at her...i said "da female patient sara ta os nazar zinna wakrra"..with a grin on his face he said that we should try our best not to look at female patients directly and that as students we are forced to deal with female patients otherwise he doesnt want to even talk with them..i said if MBBS is so unhealty for your imaan then why dont you leave it like XYZ and go to madrassa...
I thought it was good dose, but after few days he approached me again and told me that i should stop having gup shup with my female colleauges, the fitna of shaitan.

[Al Hanif]

al hanif how many women were stoned in morroco or france in the last 50 years , i mean the issue of premariage relations is taken very easy also among the people in france , there are alot of north african girls with muslim background who commit zina .

how many of them did you actually punished for their behaviour , again start to clean your own people before you start to judge the acts of others ...

i think they all need to be punished but according to Islamic laws, judged by an Islamic court
there is no such thing in Morocco or in France
Morocco is ruled by an apostate
France is Dar al Kufr
trust me, I would say exactly the same things about moroccans

i guess i have to go to a marrocon board and start to talk like you and wait how long it takes till i get kicked out ....

I am not responsible for what happens in other forums.
If it was mine, you wouldn't be kicked out.

[Al Hanif]

Troll? You come here puking your corruption if Islam and saying it's our deen; when everytime you open your mouth I can ALWAYS find a Hadith or statement by the Ulama which proves you wrong.

You are NOT a Muslim and never were; stop trying so hard to fit in, you don't belong, Slave of France.

You know in Iraq, the Mujahideen were fighting against the Kufar and were winning; until AlQaeda started joining in, then they started murdered an 8 year old girl for taking candy from the Americans and that's how the "Anbar Uprising" happens. Get a clue; it's people LIKE YOU who push others who would be fighting Amerca to actually join sides with them because you're the worse evil.

You have been exposed as a troll :

- you publicly called in this forum for my murder
- you publicly called in this forum for the murder of Afghan resistants
- you only thank the posts of atheists refuting muslims
- you resort to name calling 10 times in a post
- you have an obsession with homosexuality and pornography
- you promote darwinism
- you refute the existance of miracles
- you don't follow any madhab rather you pick up random hadiths which seem to support your heretical views (for example, in this thread, you said that there is no need of proofs to kill a presumed rapist (obvious troll) when all muslims with a little knowledge know that the hadith you quoted is not enough to support such an heretical view as the average human is not a rightly guided prophet to take such a decision)
- you are a takfiri (you just said I am not muslim)
- you lied several times (you said I support Bin Laden, you said I was a wahabi, you said I was not Moroccan just to name a few)

[R3SISTANC3]

Cut brother Al-Hanif some slack guys, don't be rude to him. That is not the way of getting him to understand your perspective.

[AFG21]

poor women, she was raped and now she must spend the rest of her live whith him. Her live would be a hell . I can't belive that Afghanistan is so backwarded and so stupid, who makes this Laws are they even Islamic?
If I was the women I would marry him, and then when he is sleeping I would pour benzine over him and set him in fire and then watch how he would burn to death.

[abassinafghan]

@ al hanif

- you have an obsession with homosexuality and pornography

can you show us some evidence of your accusations and claims ? especially this one sounds interessting

[Al Hanif]

can you show us some evidence of your accusations and claims ? especially this one sounds interessting

SURE THING

This guy got banned for always taking debates down to the gutter with his constant obsession with porn and homosexuality ...calling people names...

Yes again with the sex references; I know you're a homosexual and all so the idea of women and sexuality probably make you cringe; but this is apart of the real world

I think you should ask the mods for more information.

[lovepak]

Her attacker is serving a 7-year prison term for the crime.

The palace statement said Justice Minister Habibullah Ghalib asked a panel of top legal officials to order her release.
Gulnaz sought a pardon from Karzai earlier this week.
"After assessing Gulnaz's case, (they) decided that her remaining sentence in jail should be pardoned under the current rules and regulations of the country and she should be released," the palace statement said.
Gulnaz was initially sentenced to two years in jail for "adultery by force," which was later increased to 12 years on appeal. She was given the choice of marriage or serving a jail sentence.
Her sentence was then cut to three years after a third appeal, and the requirement for her to marry was dropped.
Gulnaz became pregnant as a result of the attack and gave birth to a daughter in the Badam Bagh women's prison in Kabul almost a year ago.

[JAMALUDEEN]

DNA analysis isn't cheap....

[Afghanistan2010]

If we have the assurance she was raped,and it is very possible.

the guy should be prosecuted by a sharia court,she should contact the local court of the islamic emirate of afghanistan,and im sure she will get her justice.