Russia Could Deliver Death Blow To NATO in Af-Pak War Theater

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Vietnam-Style Exit: Russia Could Deliver Death Blow To NATO in Af-Pak War Theater

Vietnam-Style Exit: Russia Could Deliver Death Blow To NATO in Af-Pak War Theater
Global Research, December 1, 2011
The News International (Pakistan) and Stop NATO - 2011-11-30









Russia could deliver death blow to Nato, say analysts

ISLAMABAD: With the Russian threat to cut land routes for supplies to NATO troops in Afghanistan, the Afghan battleground may turn into a cold death trap for NATO, defence analysts believe. They say that Pakistan should utilise the opportunity for a peaceful and prosperous Pakistan by pulling it out of the American war.

Russia has threatened to cut off NATO supply routes to Afghanistan if the alliance doesn’t compromise on its missile defence plans. “If NATO doesn’t give a serious response, we have to address matters in relations in other areas,” Russian news services reported. Russia’s cooperation on Afghanistan may be an area for review, the news services reported.

Pakistan has already cut NATO supply routes after the Mohmand Agency attack by NATO troops that killed twenty-six Pakistani soldiers. Lt General (retd) Hameed Gul, while talking to The News, said that Russia would utilise every option to take revenge on the Americans and the time has come for the Russians to do this. He said that Russia wants to join hands with Pakistan and Pakistan should re-consider its policy towards Russia. “Americans and NATO troops have been strangled in Afghanistan and the time has come for Pakistan to avail itself of the opportunity that it missed on 9/11 to regain respect and sovereignty”, Gul said.

He mentioned that Americans will have to leave Afghanistan and will ask for concessions and Pakistan should negotiate with them on their exit. If Russia cuts its supply routes then the route will be from Georgia to Baku and then to Azerbaijan, which means NATO will never get the supplies, said Gul.

“Now NATO troops will have to exit Vietnam-style, and that too by using Pakistan’s airspace because Iran will never let the USA use its airspace”, the retired General said. He mentioned that the war against terror that was started with our own people will come to an end at once and there will be peace in no time once the Americans leave Afghanistan. He said that Indian interests in Afghanistan were growing but India will get nothing from Afghanistan.

Maria Sultan, defence analyst, while talking to this correspondent said that if the Russians also cut the supply line of NATO then it will turn out to be a cold death for NATO troops. “They will literally be strangled in Afghanistan with 90,000 troops, and as they admit that they have reserves for three months, which actually means they have reserves for two months, then NATO will have to airlift the troops and during the airlift only 15 to 20 percent can get out alive out of the 90,000 troops”, Maria said.

She mentioned that in Afghanistan everything comes from outside and the insurgency this year has been very high as 700 [NATO] causalities have been reported. Therefore, after the Russian decision, Afghanistan will turn into a reverse Kargil for NATO. “They will have weapons but no bullets to fire; and if Pakistan shuts the air corridors to NATO then it would be a cold death for them and America will have to renegotiate with Pakistan”, she said.

[unknownprince]

Russia Threatens To Cut Off NATO Afghanistan Transit

Submitted by jkucera on November 28, 2011 - 6:24pm

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Russia has threatened to cut off NATO supply routes to Afghanistan if the alliance doesn't compromise on its missile defense plans, Moscow's NATO envoy, Dmitry Rogozin, has said. From the Wall Street Journal [6]:

If NATO doesn't give a serious response, "we have to address matters in relations in other areas," Russian news services reported Dmitri Rogozin, ambassador to NATO, as saying. He added that Russia's cooperation on Afghanistan may be an area for review, the news services reported.

This is just the latest in several headaches that the U.S. has had to deal with over the last couple of weeks regarding its supply lines to Afghanistan. First, there was an explosion [7] in Uzbekistan on a line used by the U.S. and NATO, then Pakistan cut off [8] its supply lines in response to a NATO attack that killed 28 Pakistani soldiers. And the flamboyantly nationalist Rogozin rarely misses a chance to kick the U.S. when it's down. (He also gloated [9], via twitter, that a somewhat threatening statement [10] by Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on missile defense last week forced U.S. officers at NATO to go into work on Thanksgiving.)
An expert quoted by the Journal suggests that this new Russian threat isn't too serious:

Ivan Safranchuk, deputy director of the Moscow-based Institute of Contemporary International Studies, said Russia is unlikely to cut off the flow of NATO supplies to Afghanistan as an immediate response to missile-defense decisions. But Russia does want its objections to the missile shield to be taken more seriously, he said.
"If the U.S. is not responsive, then a cutoff could be a reality at some point," Mr. Safranchuk said. "Russia would like the U.S. to be more serious about Russian concerns."

And EurasiaNet's Deirdre Tynan reported today [11] that Russia has quietly acceded to U.S. and NATO plans to begin using the Northern Distribution Network to take materiel out of Afghanistan, rather than just into the country as has so far been the case. So on a technical level, at least, there has been progress on U.S.-Russian cooperation on Afghan transit.
The broader question is, why is Russia all of a sudden making a big deal on missile defense again? Russia somewhat out of the blue ratcheted up the tension on missile defense with his statement last week, in which he threatened [12] to attack NATO missile defense sites. There is a large element of posturing on both sides here. As Tomas Hirst put it on twitter [13]: "To be clear. Medvedev is threatening to attack missiles that don't yet exist, which are supposed to intercept missiles that also don't exist."
Russians also know that the timing is terrible from a U.S. perspective: just as the U.S. presidential campaign starts to get underway, they know that President Obama can't make any concessions to Russia, because such a move would just invite Republicans to attack him for "selling out" to America's "enemies."
To come up with an explanation for all this is beyond the scope of this blog (and perhaps beyond human understanding). Fyodor Lyukanov makes a game effort in Gazeta.ru [14] (translation by Johnson's Russia List):

Why is Moscow being so stubborn? If considerations of prestige, deep distrust of the United States, and other (although also important) factors of a psychological character are not taken into account, it in effect boils down to an unsolvable problem. Everyone, even the most obstinate hawks on both sides of the Atlantic, understands that in present conditions the likelihood of a nuclear conflict between Russia and America is insignificantly small, if it exists at all. However, the very fact of the existence of enormous nuclear potentials built up in the years of the ideological confrontation makes it impossible to brush off the concept of "strategic stability," which was and is based on guaranteed mutual destruction.
No matter what politicians and even military may say, as long as these arsenals exist, each of us has no other enemy than the arsenal of the opposite side. And hence, violation of the principle whereby there is no possibility of delivering a first strike with impunity leads to acute destabilization. Especially since America since the Cold War times has shown itself to be a country that has the overwhelming advantage over any other country or group of countries and is ready to use armed force quite readily. And the nuclear potential serves as a reliable pledge that it will not be used (see the differences in approaches to Iraq and Libya, on the one hand, and North Korea -- on the other).

It's as good an explanation as any. Will the NDN be a casualty of this "unsolvable problem?" It doesn't seem likely now -- but if Putin and a future Republican U.S. president start escalating their rhetoric, all bets are off.
Russia Threatens To Cut Off NATO Afghanistan Transit | EurasiaNet.org

[Soldat_Amir]

No way in hell is Russia going to save Pakistan. As a matter of fact, did Russia accept the Taliban government Mr UnknownSingh?

Taliban was the very first movement to recognize the Islamic emerite of Chechnya.

You think the FSB have forgotten the number of PakJabis and so called "Afghan Arabs" who were trained in Afghanistan to kill Russian and Chechen security forces?

Silly boy!

You better pray Russia does'nt get hold of you Dhaaalistanis, Russia will surely slaughter you worse than how the Americans done with your skinny ugly soldiers who got OWNED few days ago.


You better pray! Russia and China do not follow the Geneva connection when it comes to war, if they decide to go out and cap them some bearded child killing exploding donkeys like the Taliban, they will do so with extreme power, I know this because I have been to Chechnya, and trust, the way they plucked Jihadis and tortured them would give you nightmares.

hahahaha!

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Russia could deliver death blow to Nato, say analysts


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ISLAMABAD: With the Russian threat to cut land routes for supply to NATO troops in Afghanistan, the Afghan battleground may turn into a cold death trap for NATO, defence analysts believe. They say that Pakistan should utilise the opportunity for a peaceful and prosperous Pakistan by pulling it out of the American war.

Russia has threatened to cut off NATO supply routes to Afghanistan if the alliance doesn’t compromise on its missile defence plans. “If NATO doesn’t give a serious response, we have to address matters in relations in other areas,” Russian news services reported. Russia’s cooperation on Afghanistan may be an area for review, the news services reported.

Pakistan has already cut the NATO supply route after the Mohmand Agency attack by NATO troops that killed twenty-six Pakistani soldiers. Lt General (retd) Hameed Gul while talking to The News said that Russia would utilise every option to take revenge from the Americans and time has come for the Russians to do this. He said that Russia wants to join hands with Pakistan and Pakistan should re-consider its policy towards Russia. “Americans and NATO troops have been strangled in Afghanistan and time has come for Pakistan to avail the opportunity that it missed on 9/11 to regain the respect and sovereignty”, Gul said.

He mentioned that Americans will have to leave Afghanistan and will ask for concessions and Pakistan should negotiate with them for their exit. If Russia cuts the supply then the route will be from Georgia to Baku and then to Azerbaijan, which means NATO will never get the supply, said Gul.

“Now NATO troops will have to exit Vietnam style, and that too by using Pakistan’s airspace because Iran will never let USA use its airspace”, the retired General said. He mentioned that the war against terror that was started with our own people will come to an end at once and there will be peace in no time once the Americans leave Afghanistan. He said that Indian interests in Afghanistan were growing but India will get nothing from Afghanistan.

Maria Sultan, defence analyst, while talking to this correspondent said that if the Russians also cut the supply line of NATO then it will turn out to be cold death for NATO troops. “They will literally be strangled in Afghanistan with 90000 troops and as they admit that they have reserves for three months which actually means they have reserves for two months and then NATO will have to airlift the troops and during the airlift only 15 to 20 percent can be alive out of the 90000 troops”, Maria said.

She mentioned that in Afghanistan, everything comes from outside and the insurgency this year has been very high as 700 causalities have been reported. Therefore after the Russian decision, Afghanistan will turn into a reverse Kargil for NATO. “They will have weapons but no bullets to fire; and if Pakistan shuts the air corridors on NATO then it would be a cold death for them and America will have to renegotiate with Pakistan”, she said.