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    The funniest part of this was when the Toronto Star called Qazi Omar and traced the business back to Qayom Karzai. Wonderful how such pathetic failures are given such high hopes to resurrect the country. Its humorous, the typical retort is: The Taliban had 10 years... what did they accomplish? Well, Karzai has had 10 years, trillions of US dollars invested, millions of yen invested, and has accomplished hitherto unbefore seen levels of fabulous corruption and taken new infrastructure and handed it off to idiots to make defunct! So I think that excuse is gone now.



    Man fled Afghanistan out of fear of President Karzai’s brothers



    WASHINGTON — Nerves frayed from months of mounting threats, Naseem Pashtoon Sharifi admits it wasn’t the most rational of decisions.
    There he was, racing through the streets of downtown Kandahar City with a carload of gunmen on his tail. One hand on the wheel, the other trying desperately to load bullets into a pistol. If death was imminent, he would die fighting.
    Then, as the gunmen bore down, Sharifi swerved right and stood on the brakes, screaming to a halt. The would-be assassins, unable to react in time, flew past. Suddenly, the hunters were in front, the prey in back.
    It was then that Sharifi did “the crazy thing” — role reversal. He decided to chase his tormentors.
    “I just floored it. I was so afraid for my family, my children, I wasn’t thinking clearly. But I had to know who these guys were,” Sharifi says from the relative safety of his exile in California, where the father of three has found safe harbour for his family.
    “I caught up with them, and we raced for two or three more blocks. And then suddenly the gunmen slowed down and turned. And that’s when I knew.”
    His pursuers had been cops. They drove right into Kandahar Police Headquarters.
    If the scene harks back more to 1930s Chicago than 21st century Kandahar, Sharifi says they are one and the same — and all under the sway of the Brothers Karzai, the close kin of Afghanistan’s president, who Sharifi is convinced is out to get him.
    When he fled Kandahar, Sharifi left behind a burgeoning media empire that at its peak counted 150 employees and ranked as the fourth largest employer in the region. But that, too, Sharifi says, has been plundered by the Karzais.
    All but one very important piece — against the odds, Sharifi has managed to keep alive his Kandahar newspaper, Surgar. The feisty weekly continues to tilt against the powers that be, even as its owner has been squeezed out of the country.
    These are far from idle accusations. Sharifi festered for months, consulting his extended family for approval — warning them to brace for reprisals — before finally approaching the Toronto Star to take his claims public.
    He came because Kandahar is Canada’s patch and the regime that has taken root blossomed under Canada’s nose. Without intervention, he frets it will be the ultimate ruin of the country, ensuring a colossal failure for NATO.
    His tale offers a rare glimpse inside the world of the Karzai Brothers — a clan he says he came to know well, and initially had faith in, before everything went pear-shaped.
    “I saw how good the Karzais looked from a distance. And then I learned first-hand how badly they stank up close,” Sharifi said.
    “I know I’m not the biggest fish. But what happened to me is simply a microcosm of the larger story playing out in Kandahar.”
    The Karzais — Ahmed Wali, who is widely regarded as Kandahar’s foremost power broker, together with elder brothers Qayum and Shawali — denied each and every accusation. Lies, all lies, they said.
    But further investigation shows Sharifi’s story is far from one man’s grudge. Four other Kandahar sources, speaking to the Star on condition of anonymity, confirmed his account that Karzai muscle-flexing removed him from the city, with Karzai interests promptly taking over the bulk of his business.
    Sharifi’s accusations also coincide with recent WikiLeaks revelations showing the extent of U.S. concerns about the Karzais’ hold over Kandahar. One diplomatic cable describes the family’s position as a “semi-modern aristocracy” directed by “unrivalled strongman” Ahmed Wali Karzai, known as AWK.
    AWK, the U.S. cable said, “appears not to understand the level of our knowledge of his activities and that the coalition views many of his activities as malign, particularly relating to his influence over the police.”
    The U.S. cable singles out Canada’s $50 million Dahla Dam project as a cause for worry, noting that Karzai businesses were positioned for “multiple patronage benefits” after lobbying the Canadians for construction and security contracts.
    Naseem Sharifi, now 36, was just starting out in the world back in 2002, when he returned to post-Taliban Kandahar like thousands of others, wanting to be a part of the new Afghanistan.
    Born to a respected branch of the prominent Barakzai tribe, Sharifi had been sent away at age 16, another young refugee of war. It was an adoption into exile, with the young Sharifi joining relatives in Seattle who, by marriage, were distant Karzai cousins. After 12 years in exile, he was back with U.S. citizenship, a Western education, a zest to make his mark.
    It wasn’t long before he struck upon his unlikely formula for success — billboards. Sharifi had vivid memories of the outdoor advertising billboards that clutter America’s highways, a concept then alien to Afghanistan. And with new banks and new cellphone companies opening daily, he thought the idea might just click.
    Click, it did. Sharifi assembled a fledgling team and Arakozia was born.
    War-torn Kandahar was then so starved for visual stimulation that when he planted his first outdoor sign Afghans gathered from far and wide just to look at it.
    The contracts poured in. Afghan Wireless, Roshan cellular. Even NATO bought in, with a series of poppy-eradication billboards.
    “We barely knew what we were doing at first. But we were quick studies. Before I knew it, we were operating in seven provinces. Nobody else was doing it. And the phone just kept ringing.”
    With Arakozia running on all cylinders, Sharifi began to indulge his more magnanimous instincts. He pumped profits into expansion with the launch of Surgar, Kandahar’s first-ever independent weekly. And then Kandahar’s first-ever coffee shop.
    “The goal for both the newspaper and the coffee shop was the same — to encourage civil society and help create a sense of community,” says Sharifi.
    “Until then, all that existed in Kandahar for the past 30 years were places we call somowat — dirty little holes used for smoking marijuana and drinking tea.”
    The Kandahar Coffee Shop flourished and so too did Surgar. From chess and snooker tournaments to sports sponsorships, Sharifi’s Arakozia stood ready to embrace any who approached with a positive idea. When a group of Kandahar high school students came looking for help in starting a students’ association, Sharifi ticked off every box, providing office space and computers for a group that quickly swelled to 1,800 members: literate Kandaharis in a land of outrageously high illiteracy, coming together for the greater good.
    Sharifi was becoming a player. Doors opened, including the doors of the family Karzai. AWK attended Sharifi’s wedding to a local Kandahari woman in 2004 and furnished introductions to his brothers — Shawali, the eldest; Mahmoud, then based in Kabul but a frequent visitor to Kandahar; and Qayum, the Baltimore restaurateur who, Sharifi and others insist, ranks among the most influential of the siblings in Kandahar politics.
    Sharifi’s access to Kandahar’s inner circle included regular visits with then-governor Assadullah Khalid, who later would lose his job amid accusations of personal involvement in the torture of Afghan detainees.
    The first hint that something wasn’t quite right came in 2006 when, Sharifi says, he was offered a 20 per cent interest in a construction company, Daman, that he alleges is controlled by the Karzais. Free.
    “I accepted the offer. Which now I deeply regret. I was so caught up in all the other business and this circle of power that had opened up, I didn’t give it proper consideration,” Sharifi says.
    The other partners in Daman, he says, included Shawali Karzai (20 per cent), local Internet entrepreneur Ramat Qumran (20 per cent) and Qayum Karzai (40 per cent). They met regularly for lunch to discuss ways to latch on to the millions of development dollars flowing into the province.
    “Every day, just as lunch would begin, Shawali Karzai would whisper in my ear, ‘Did you find a contract? Why don’t you tell the governor to give you a contract?’ Every single day.
    “In hindsight, I realize … they wanted me to get my hands dirty. I was a threat because I was clean. But I was so naïve. There was also a strange dynamic between the Karzai stepbrothers. They are one family, yet they compete with each other. Shawali is the oldest; he was the father’s favourite, but I began to feel that he was using me like a pawn to prove to his brothers he, too, could generate wealth for the family.” For their part, the Karzais say the lunches were only social and they had no direct control over Daman.
    Sharifi says he quit the enterprise without ever receiving a penny.
    Instead, he threw himself into yet another new venture — the launch of a radio station to better reach the estimated 80 per cent of a provincial population unable to read or write. He assembled a team, began ordering equipment, all underwritten with the profits of the billboard business.
    As the radio plans took shape in early 2006, Sharifi was summoned to the Governor’s Mansion, where he was confronted by an uncharacteristically stern Governor Khalid.
    “Drop this idea for a radio station,” said the governor, according to Sharifi.
    “He said, ‘Don’t ask why. Just know that Qayum and Ahmed Wali Karzai don’t want it.’”
    Governor Khalid then placed a call, with the speakerphone amplified so that Sharifi could hear the conversation. Qayum Karzai answered.
    “The governor said to Qayum, ‘I just called to assure you that the work is done. Sharifi will not open the radio station.’ And Qayum answered, ‘Good, just make sure. Naseem is the kind of person that gets things done. He will make us look bad. Just make sure we stop this,’” Sharifi says.
    “I was stunned. I had such hope up to this point, but my whole perception changed. These mountains we call the Karzais — I began to realize how tiny they were. I was just a small player, but their self-confidence was so low that a little guy like me doing things with enthusiasm made them feel threatened.”
    Sharifi acquiesced, dropping his radio plans. But the tension with the Karzais worsened in 2007 with the appointment of Ghulam Hamidi, a lifelong friend of the Karzai brothers, as mayor of Kandahar.
    Within days of the new mayor’s arrival a tax dispute erupted, with Mayor Hamidi publicly accusing Arakozia of not paying its share. Sharifi says he was blindsided — but quickly produced what he claims is full accounting of every bill, to the last Afghani.
    Mayor Hamidi would not let the matter rest. The final cut, says Sharifi, came in when the mayor arbitrary declared a tenfold increase in municipal taxes against Arakozia’s billboards — from six per cent to 60 per cent.
    Sharifi acknowledges he was a small player in the big picture, pursuing small but legitimate business opportunities that paled against the multi-billion-dollar security and narcotics racketeering that is widely believed to permeate Kandahar. Why squeeze out a little guy like me, he wondered?
    And on this point, if nothing else, the Karzais agree — Sharifi was a minor figure in town. Each of the three brothers, Ahmed Wali, Qayum and Shawali, played down Sharifi’s place in their lives in statements to the Star. He was an acquaintance, not a friend, they say. There were never any business dealings. The story of Daman and the radio station story are “pure fiction,” said Qayum Karzai.
    The brothers also accuse Sharifi of exploiting the Karzai name, and hint darkly that perhaps his adoption to the U.S. as a teenager was never formally legal.
    But there is a certain velocity to the Karzai denials — a flurry of emails, phone calls and written statements — that suggests the saga has penetrated the Karzai brothers’ famously thick skins.
    Perhaps one explanation is a particularly provocative cartoon published by Surgar in early 2008, which portrayed Mayor Hamidi as a snarling dog on a leash held by Qayum Karzai. Even in a stable democracy, such an image likely would make noise. In Kandahar, it was a thunderclap.
    “(Sharifi’s) relationship with me changed for one reason and one reason alone — that cartoon,” Qayum Karzai told the Star in a telephone interview addressing the allegations.
    “Mayor Hamidi and I have known each other since we were 6 years old. His father was my father’s friend. We went to the same school, we swam together, we hunted together. We were part of a very tight clique,” said Qayum Karzai.
    “Everybody knows the mayor is a friend of mine. So this cartoon of me holding him like a dog, it was … disappointing.”
    Mayor Hamidi responded to the Star with an epic four-page letter defending not only his dispute with Arakozia but the entirety of his tenure in office. Hamidi denied any wrongdoing and attributed the entire dispute to a battle over back taxes.
    Surgar, however, kept pushing. In 2008, the newspaper became more aggressive about reporting corruption allegations. It also began translating and reprinting in Pashtu the widening array of international media stories drawing attention to the growing power of the house of Karzai.
    “The next phase was threats of physical violence,” says Sharifi. “I was getting anonymous phone calls warning, ‘Leave the city or face the consequences.’” The journalists at Surgar were regularly threatened. In at least one case, he says, the threat came directly by phone from AWK — a claim Ahmed Wali Karzai categorically denied in his statement to the Star.
    “More than once I was followed by armed men on motorcycles. I had always lived openly. But now my openness was vulnerability. I had a pattern of travel between home and office,” he says.
    After the next big scare — the 2008 high-speed chase through Kandahar City that ended at police headquarters — Sharifi knew the end was near. He now saw the Karzai hold over Kandahar as both omnipotent and potentially lethal. And he was in their crosshairs. For their part the Karzais say they had nothing to do with any police chase.
    But for Sharifi, the breaking point came two weeks later, when Ahmed Wali Karzai, now the elected head of the Kandahar Provincial Council, summoned local journalists to disclose details of a suicide attack.
    At the end of the news conference, as reporters packed their equipment, AWK called on Surgar’s reporter and issued an ominous warning that was heard by all: “Tell Naseem we have information there are four more suicide bombers in Kandahar. He is the next target.”
    Sharifi was notified immediately.
    “I knew I had to leave immediately. My (pregnant) wife, my two kids, my dad, my brother and my sister — we were on the next plane to Dubai. I had built my dream house in Kandahar. And now the dream was over.”
    Ahmed Wali Karzai, in a statement conveyed through his U.S. lawyer, adamantly denied threatening Sharifi. The “intel report” about a Taliban suicide bomber was real, he said, and thus Karzai felt duty-bound to convey the information.
    “I’ve had nine attempts on my life,” said Karzai. “I did it to help him, not to scare him. I remember when (Sharifi) left the country, I thought it was a sign of cowardice and it was empowering the Taliban. Those of us who are committed to building a new country cannot flee when the Taliban threaten us.”
    In Sharifi’s absence, Arakozia shrunk rapidly, losing two-thirds of its staff as the billboard business collapsed. The final blow, said Sharifi, came by acetylene torch. “Every one of my billboards was cut with a torch, taken and confiscated.”
    The next twist of fate, Sharifi says, was the sudden emergence of a new billboard company — Innovative Kandahar Advertising. On paper, the new operation belonged to Kandahar businessman Qazi Omar. But everybody in Kandahar, says Sharifi, knew the real owner was Qayum Karzai, the Baltimore restaurant baron.
    Sharifi claims the new firm, with its ties to power, forced out Arakozia and the other three smaller billboard companies in the south, creating a de facto monopoly and raising prices accordingly. To verify the claim, the Star located the owner of one of those firms, Pashtani Advertising, in Quetta, Pakistan. Noman Kaker, speaking in halting English on his cellphone, confirmed, “All of the business has been taken over by Qayum Karzai.
    “He destroyed us all and took all the billboard contracts for himself,” said Kakar. “Arakozia was the biggest but I had 14 people working for me. Now we are all unemployed and I have come to Quetta to try and find work to feed my family. It is a mafia. If you want billboards you must go through Qayum. Nobody else can do the work.”
    To further test Karzai’s denial of ownership, the Star contacted the new company, Innovative Kandahar Advertising, posing as a prospective client — a fictitious American charity looking to mount a counter-narcotics billboard campaign.
    Company manager Qazi Omar quoted a price of $700 per billboard per month — a fourfold increase over what the now-defunct billboard companies in Kandahar, including Arakozia, charged for their services.
    The Star then asked whether “Your company’s owner, Qayum Karzai, might agree to a discount for such a large contract?”
    Omar responded, “Yes, this is possible. You should contact Qayum Karzai directly to negotiate a discount. You can email him. Do you have his address?” He then proceeded to carefully recite Karzai’s email address, spelling it slowly letter by letter.
    In a subsequent telephone interview, Qayum Karzai denied any financial ties to the company, suggesting that Qazi Omar’s poor grasp of English was the reason for the “miscommunication.”
    “I have absolutely nothing to do with this company. What kind of a nutty businessman would own or invest in such a thing if he does not even know the employees. It is absolutely, totally wrong,” Qayum Karzai said.
    Afghan cell telephone records obtained by the Toronto Star, meanwhile, show very active lines of communication between Qayum Karzai and Qazi Omar. Over the span of six months this year, Qazi Omar’s phone registered nearly 60 calls to Qayum Karzai’s Baltimore cellphone. Karzai, in turn, appears to have placed eight calls to Omar’s phone in Kandahar over the same span.
    Arakozia is not quite dead, relying upon its small-scale printing operation — posters, handbills, and the like — that pay some bills. And Surgar, the weekly, is as popular and feisty as ever, even to this day, with a subscription base of 15,000 and popular support throughout the Sharifi belt. But shorn of the billboard income, the paper barely breaks even.
    Ahmed Wali Karzai, in a statement to the Star, pointed to the continuing existence of Surgar as part of his defence against Sharifi’s allegations. “His paper is still open, so no one tried to close it,” AWK said through his lawyer. “If it closes, it’s because he is not making any profit, not because anyone is telling him to close.”
    Last edited by BarakzaiAbdali; 12-01-2011, 03:16 AM.
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  • #2
    Wow what a brilliant find! thanks

    Khuday dih Sharifi ta khair warkih o khuday deh satandoya sih!

    It's so true about the corruption, if you see anyone related to karzan now they're literally swimming in money...and as far as the wrongs that occur, thousands of books can be written.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Iqra View Post
      Wow what a brilliant find! thanks

      Khuday dih Sharifi ta khair warkih o khuday deh satandoya sih!

      It's so true about the corruption, if you see anyone related to karzan now they're literally swimming in money...and as far as the wrongs that occur, thousands of books can be written.

      It doesnt end there Iqra, take a look at this discussion under Health that Admin posted:

      http://www.pashtunforums.com/health-...00/#post549125


      Soraya Dalil, the Health Minister takes data completely out of context. She gives this press conference that insinuates things are "turning the corner" so as to speak for Afghans... yet the data from the WHO or in coordination with it is subject to severe sampling bias, excluding a third of the rural south.

      Yet its nauseating how they sell these fake goods as successes by the Afghan government.

      Its like they think everyone out there in the world is dumb as rocks and that if they take a turd, and shine it enough with gold tap dancin shoes shoe polish, we will all think its gold and buy it.

      These people are pervasively idiotic and corrupt.
      "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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      • #4
        Are they Karzai's in power because that's the way the West like their stooges or there isn't anyone else to replace them with?

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        • #5
          Hamid Karzai and his friends are most likely to flee Afghanistan once their foreign backers leave. It is doubtful he will stick around, but Afghan people will demand an international freeze of all his families assets (wealth accrued from the US war in Afghanistan). If this happened to Ben Ali of Tunisia, Gaddafi of Libya, and Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, it is only logical to conclude that this then is not a remote possibility.

          With the US influence in the world waning, and the Western economies on the verge of a total collapse, international criminal courts will most likely be influenced by other nations (i.e China)

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          • #6
            lol i would rather karzai get the money than the taliban giving it to pakistan

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
              It doesnt end there Iqra, take a look at this discussion under Health that Admin posted:

              http://www.pashtunforums.com/health-...00/#post549125


              Soraya Dalil, the Health Minister takes data completely out of context. She gives this press conference that insinuates things are "turning the corner" so as to speak for Afghans... yet the data from the WHO or in coordination with it is subject to severe sampling bias, excluding a third of the rural south.

              Yet its nauseating how they sell these fake goods as successes by the Afghan government.

              Its like they think everyone out there in the world is dumb as rocks and that if they take a turd, and shine it enough with gold tap dancin shoes shoe polish, we will all think its gold and buy it.

              These people are pervasively idiotic and corrupt.
              Thank you, I missed that discussion.

              Well they want to make themselves look good and unfortunately people do buy this ...crap... (excuse me for the lack of a better word). A majority of people take things at face value and never look into what is really going on (I know I myself have done this as sometimes we just don't want to face reality)... I am not really sure why? Maybe some people feel that it's better to spread good news than real news?

              All selfish means for a selfish end, I just wonder how much more they'll get away with .. because they've gotten away with a lot already.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by unknownprince View Post
                Hamid Karzai and his friends are most likely to flee Afghanistan once their foreign backers leave. It is doubtful he will stick around, but Afghan people will demand an international freeze of all his families assets (wealth accrued from the US war in Afghanistan). If this happened to Ben Ali of Tunisia, Gaddafi of Libya, and Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, it is only logical to conclude that this then is not a remote possibility.

                With the US influence in the world waning, and the Western economies on the verge of a total collapse, international criminal courts will most likely be influenced by other nations (i.e China)
                Well if they do flee they have plenty of places to flee to lol.

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                • #9
                  Good find. That was a nice read.
                  Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                  A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                  For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                  The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                  -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                  • #10
                    Karzais younger brother is a Ph. D, and teaches biochemistry at my University. I didn't even know until Brother Scimitar informed me.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by کیش View Post
                      Karzais younger brother is a Ph. D, and teaches biochemistry at my University. I didn't even know until Brother Scimitar informed me.
                      That's his half-brother. He is very, very, highly educated. Your school is home to the Brookhaven National lab, schools like Yale and other wished they had access to such a lab since it's the only national lab in the North East.
                      Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                      A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                      For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                      The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                      -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
                        That's his half-brother. He is very, very, highly educated. Your school is home to the Brookhaven National lab, schools like Yale and other wished they had access to such a lab.
                        Here was one of the Karzai relative quotes:

                        “The Karzais are over there in Afghanistan cashing in on their last name,” said Mohammad Karzai, a cousin of President Karzai who lives in Maryland. “My relatives have told me they can’t understand why I don’t come over with them and get rich.”

                        http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/06/wo...pagewanted=all

                        Its interesting, in the NY Times expose, Wali Karzai, the brother you speak of, who was one of my GI Physician colleagues professors is discussed:

                        "Only one of his brothers, Abdul Wali Karzai, a biochemistry professor at Stony Brook University in New York, declined to go back home. Many others seized the opportunity."

                        http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/06/wo...pagewanted=all

                        He had, earlier on, agreed that nepotism is not a great way to build a nation

                        "Wali said he suspects he may soon join his brothers in Afghanistan. He sees himself helping to resurrect the country's crippled educational system.
                        "It's something I'm very seriously considering," he said.
                        But he said he would not accept a government position.
                        "If I'm given a position because I'm somebody's brother, that isn't right," he said. "We want a democratic system not based on favoritism and nepotism."

                        http://articles.nydailynews.com/2001...ai-afghanistan

                        It just goes to show that when one has an ability to not be a leach on two societies, Afghan or American, they are less likely to involve themselves in sorts of affairs, or to come up with fanciful reasons about why they should.

                        The most common reason fellow Afghans give is: "We are just trying to help our country. We just ... we just... we just ... we just."

                        And why does helping entail turning Afghanistan into Pakistan's true twin brother, a corrupt meritocracy devoid oligarchy?

                        OK. Great. Go pro bono. Where were you in the 90s? Where were you in the 80s when the young men needed leadership in the war against the Russians and men to lead from the front? Was the ISI responsible for this as well? Did they tell Hamid Karzai to put on nice fashionable clothes and sip tea in Islamabad while backing Mojadidi while his countrymen were entering the jaws of the Russian war juggernaut?
                        "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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                        • #13
                          Garda walar dih khpal da watan da para

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
                            Here was one of the Karzai relative quotes:

                            “The Karzais are over there in Afghanistan cashing in on their last name,” said Mohammad Karzai, a cousin of President Karzai who lives in Maryland. “My relatives have told me they can’t understand why I don’t come over with them and get rich.”

                            http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/06/wo...pagewanted=all

                            Its interesting, in the NY Times expose, Wali Karzai, the brother you speak of, who was one of my GI Physician colleagues professors is discussed:

                            "Only one of his brothers, Abdul Wali Karzai, a biochemistry professor at Stony Brook University in New York, declined to go back home. Many others seized the opportunity."

                            http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/06/wo...pagewanted=all

                            He had, earlier on, agreed that nepotism is not a great way to build a nation

                            "Wali said he suspects he may soon join his brothers in Afghanistan. He sees himself helping to resurrect the country's crippled educational system.
                            "It's something I'm very seriously considering," he said.
                            But he said he would not accept a government position.
                            "If I'm given a position because I'm somebody's brother, that isn't right," he said. "We want a democratic system not based on favoritism and nepotism."

                            http://articles.nydailynews.com/2001...ai-afghanistan

                            It just goes to show that when one has an ability to not be a leach on two societies, Afghan or American, they are less likely to involve themselves in sorts of affairs, or to come up with fanciful reasons about why they should.

                            The most common reason fellow Afghans give is: "We are just trying to help our country. We just ... we just... we just ... we just."

                            And why does helping entail turning Afghanistan into Pakistan's true twin brother, a corrupt meritocracy devoid oligarchy?

                            OK. Great. Go pro bono. Where were you in the 90s? Where were you in the 80s when the young men needed leadership in the war against the Russians and men to lead from the front? Was the ISI responsible for this as well? Did they tell Hamid Karzai to put on nice fashionable clothes and sip tea in Islamabad while backing Mojadidi while his countrymen were entering the jaws of the Russian war juggernaut?
                            Did you know that Rangin Spanta claims he was part of the Afghan Mujahideen resistance against the Soviets? He said that he printed their weekly press, LMAO

                            What sick disgusting pathetic wicked failures?

                            I really hope they are put on trial in Afghanistan, the whole lot of them after this war ends. Like the US bailed out on Gaddafi and Mubarak, I doubt they will put up a fight for Karzai.

                            The bloodshed of Afghans means nothing to him past a choreographed attempt at sympathy. It truly is evil and disgusting

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                              and to tell us how corrupt kharzai is you have to qoute an canadian newspaper 10 years after he was put in charge ?

                              you know i could write books about kharzai and his father his uncle and the rest of his familiy , but then i had to reveal myself which i can not ....

                              just let me tell you one single thing , just go to karz or shirpurkh , they are villageges quiet close to khandahar and ask arround the people ....

                              nothing new under the sky , however i find it entertaining again how you qoute western sources over and over again , because you feel they are more credible ? or people have to accept them ?

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