Imran Khan's anti-Pashtun Ranjit Singhi Agenda

[Toramana]

The video below is just one example as how this "kamina" Punjabi is misprojecting Pashtuns---First, he shows dancing students at Islamabad to give the viewers the impression as how cosmopolitan the rest of Pakistan is; ---then he heads north to Peshawar to show Maulana Bijli Ghar and the like of him to draw a contrast with the cosmopolitinism of Pakistan proper i.e. Punjab---


Couldn't he find any other place in Peshawar to present to the world.

He could have chosen Muridkee the terrorist center near Lahore but his aim was to project a Pashtunized origin of Islamist fanaticism just to camouflage the Ranjit Singhi ambitions of Ziaul Haq vis-a-vis Pashtuns/Afghanistan.

Islam & America: Through the Eyes of Imran Khan - Pakistan - YouTube

Watch at 5:29.

[R3SISTANC3]

That is something. The guy from Junoon played instrumental music to Quranic recitation while calling it a very "sexy" book and is still alive. When Shahid Afridi was seen doing namaste to some Indians in India by bringing his hands together like Hindus to in gesture Pakistanis wrote fatwas after him.

Imran Khan and Salman Taseer (now dead), both playboy secularists one with Jewish ex-wife the other with Hindu ex-wife have a very unique and adaptive idea of Islam. They are political Islamists like Iqbal and Mohammad Ali Jinnah but their Islam stops at their personal door step.

I don't see why Pashtun nationalists from Pakistan have a problem with these guys. They are in fact good for you if you let them take over and win. They will secularize Pashtuns faster than you can imagine. Their type of Islam is already spreading in KP circles. A watered down political Islam. What I mean to say he is your best friend you guys just dont realize it. Dont you want secular Muslims like him?

[Al Hanif]

That is something. The guy from Junoon played instrumental music to Quranic recitation while calling it a very "sexy" book and is still alive. When Shahid Afridi was seen doing namaste to some Indians in India by bringing his hands together like Hindus to in gesture Pakistanis wrote fatwas after him.

Imran Khan and Salman Taseer (now dead), both playboy secularists one with Jewish ex-wife the other with Hindu ex-wife have a very unique and adaptive idea of Islam. They are political Islamists like Iqbal and Mohammad Ali Jinnah but their Islam stops at their personal door step.

I don't see why Pashtun nationalists from Pakistan have a problem with these guys. They are in fact good for you if you let them take over and win. They will secularize Pashtuns faster than you can imagine. Their type of Islam is already spreading in KP circles. A watered down political Islam. What I mean to say he is your best friend you guys just dont realize it. Dont you want secular Muslims like him?

kuffars are schizophrenic

[Insaaf_انصاف]

What is a ranjit-singhi ????

[tor_khan]

^ Ditto. Toramana, what is Ranjit-Singhi if not an attempt at masking a racial undertone.

That said, I do agree, that Imran sees Pashtoons as a people who can only be frozen in time and not part of a "modern" state. He doesn't even begin to explore the other dynamics. It's actually a very patronizing view of who we are and the documentary proves it, because as soon as he passes over from the Islamabad to Peshawar the only people whom he engages with are the stereotypes that fit his ideas. He shows that those who question American policy in the Punjab as ranging from the liberals to the average street vendor; whilst those in the Pashtunkhwa as being mullahs only. It's a warped presentation.

[unknownprince]

^ Ditto. Toramana, what is Ranjit-Singhi if not an attempt at masking a racial undertone.

That said, I do agree, that Imran sees Pashtoons as a people who can only be frozen in time and not part of a "modern" state. He doesn't even begin to explore the other dynamics. It's actually a very patronizing view of who we are and the documentary proves it, because as soon as he passes over from the Islamabad to Peshawar the only people whom he engages with are the stereotypes that fit his ideas. He shows that those who question American policy in the Punjab as ranging from the liberals to the average street vendor; whilst those in the Pashtunkhwa as being mullahs only. It's a warped presentation.

Prove to me how the positions of Imran Khan ending Pakistan support for the war is not a good thing.

Prove to me how Imran ending support for the US war and occupation of Afghanistan is not a good thing?

Isnt Pakistan support for this US war treacherous?

Isn't anyone who supports this US war an immoral mentally sick human?

[tor_khan]

Prove to me how the positions of Imran Khan ending Pakistan support for the war is not a good thing.

Prove to me how Imran ending support for the US war and occupation of Afghanistan is not a good thing?

Isnt Pakistan support for this US war treacherous?

Isn't anyone who supports this US war an immoral mentally sick human?

Unknown, Graana. Deep breaths please. Read my post again. I don't "think" I need to prove the counter point.

In fact, Imran, like millions of others around the globe may well and truly be right to oppose the American-led war.

My points were separate. The main point was about how one man (Imran) views Pashtoons as people frozen in some cultural ice-age. The other point - the one that begun the post - was one of racism. As an extension of that point, I don't believe that Pashtoons, whether secular/liberals or theocratic/conservatives or anyone else in between, need to jump to extremist remarks, racist/irrational/chauvinistic/paranoid etc. to prove a point.

[unknownprince]

What representation of Pashtuns should be have given? The Damtob one that AWami national party shows the world?

It is doubtful that he was devoting time to "plot" what representation he should give.

This sound and smells like a Farhat Andersen lie

[Toramana]

In fact, Imran, like millions of others around the globe may well and truly be right to oppose the American-led war.

Given a chance, I will like to live in perfect/absolute freedom---free from every kind of control and domination whether that of America or any other group or power. Who on earth would not like that? But what options do we have got?

And your idealism and humanism aside, by the way what defence do Pashtuns have against the mortal threat from the stone-aged monsters and their treacherous backers to their culture, identity, and existence as a nation? Give me practical plans not just abstract humanism.

How do you conclude that Imran Khan or the like of him are sincere in their anti-American stance wanting to restore Afghanistan's sovereignty and not having any motives to replace it with Ranjit Singhi domination?

[Toramana]

What representation of Pashtuns should be have given? The Damtob one that AWami national party shows the world?

It is doubtful that he was devoting time to "plot" what representation he should give.

This sound and smells like a Farhat Andersen lie

Yes, you can worship that alkoholic womenizer and have got no issue with his hedanism and profanities when he indulges in all sort of immoralities and mingles with dancing girls and boys but bash nationalists---This shows how insane can one be driven by fanaticism.

[unknownprince]

Yes, you can worship that alkoholic womenizer and have got no issue with his hedanism and profanities when he indulges in all sort of immoralities and mingles with dancing girls and boys but bash nationalists---This shows how insane can one be driven by fanaticism.

Me, you, I?

What does it matter to anyone who wants peace whether Imran Khan does what you say he does? Imran Khan is ending the US war and occupation of Afghanistan. Thats all that matters. After he puts in his diplomatic part to end Pakistan support for this inhumane war and occupation, this is what is relevant, not whether he listens to Brtiney Spears music on his Ipod or whatever.

His alleged personal life has no relevance to the objectives of ending the US war and occupation. Putting that aside, many things are said about someone who has a clean record in regards to corruption. If that is all they got on him, then it is no wonder why his victory is a given.

One should understand that his victory will bring an end to the US war and occupation of Afghanistan, and this should be the only point that matters and is of relevance. Agreed?

[tor_khan]

What representation of Pashtuns should be have given? The Damtob one that AWami national party shows the world?

It is doubtful that he was devoting time to "plot" what representation he should give.

This sound and smells like a Farhat Andersen lie

You asked two questions, the second one I believe was meant to be rhethorical. But for clarification. I didn't say anything about the ANP. Being politically aware, I hope, isn't the same as party politics.

But your first question is more relevant. What representation of Pashtuns should be given? One that shows that we are articulate, thoughtful, hard-working and honourable. That includes people from all sections of our community and the people who are likely to take that sympathetic view of Pashtuns, are Pashtuns themselves. Others will simply represent us as they see fit.

Given a chance, I will like to live in perfect/absolute freedom---free from every kind of control and domination whether that of America or any other group or power. Who on earth would not like that? But what options do we have got?

And your idealism and humanism aside, by the way what defence do Pashtuns have against the mortal threat from the stone-aged monsters and their treacherous backers to their culture, identity, and existence as a nation? Give me practical plans not just abstract humanism.

How do you conclude that Imran Khan or the like of him are sincere in their anti-American stance wanting to restore Afghanistan's sovereignty and not having any motives to replace it with Ranjit Singhi domination?

One bit confuses me Toramana.

I know who Ranjit Singh is, but by all accounts he was a Panjabi Sikh hero. Pakistan as a state that serves a de facto Panjabi Muslim interest, would be different, right? If you are using Ranjit Singh as the metaphor for your opposition, aren't you playing into the Pakistan anti-Indian design?

I'm not a poltical strategist, so I might be forgiven if my response to one of your points is based on personal experience rather than political strategy. For Pashtuns to remain culturally and politically intact, then we need a strong Afghanistan. Unfortunately, I have sat with some Pashtun ANP nationalists who are ready to pull Afghanistan down because of the Persian influence and for many that continues to be a sticking point and amongst the reasons they flip their support to Pakistan.

As for your question which is more about the confusion of Pakistan's relationship with America and their intentions vis a vis Afghanistan. Do I believe them to be sincere? All the evidence suggests that despite the anti-American slogans, way too many people, from the top-brass down to the common man, can be bought in Pakistan for the right amount of US $s.

[unknownprince]

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You asked two questions, the second one I believe was meant to be rhethorical. But for clarification. I didn't say anything about the ANP. Being politically aware, I hope, isn't the same as party politics.

The point of this thread appears to somehow say that Imran Khan serves the current Pakistani establishment. Right? Imran Khan is not a "Pashtun nationalist' (whatever that means or if that even exists right now). Achakzai does not have the right to the term nationalism. He is an insult to it.

Lets not get off track. Imran Khan has never claimed to serve Pashtuns alone, nor does he beat his chest about his ethnic identity.

In regards to ANP, that was not directed at you. You are right, it was rhetorical. ANP is a simple joke. This is what their rallies consist of.

ANP hejhragano party ,,,,,,hejhra dancing - YouTube

Who is misrepresenting Pashtuns?

But your first question is more relevant. What representation of Pashtuns should be given?

Who is to decide this question, except the people who live there right now? I dont think anyone living in the West has any authority to decide on this at all. Suggestions would be acceptable, but the decisions rests with those people back there. Western expats like Karzai, Spanta, and a trove of others have no right whatsoever to speak on these issues especially when they have another citizenship that they are loyal too. Same thing exists in Pakistan where Husain Haqqani was an American citizen who was Pakistan's ambassador to the US? I think half of Zardari's administration are foreign citizens. Expats only cause problems. Media in Afghanistan is controlled by Karzai. Even at the tissue paper jirga, they refused to allow a "parliament" MP to speak. The first and most important issue is the end of the US occupation in Afghanistan. Afghanistan can not move forward, and there will be no peace until there is an end to the US occupation. Imran Khan, ending support for the US war and occupation is a step in the sensible direction. Yesterday, he also spoke about regional peace in addition to Afghan peace. He is making his vision in foreign policy and domestic policy clear. There is a propaganda campaign being waged against him by Pakistani liberal media like TheExpressTribune (who are pro-war and pro-US).

I asked Toramana to explain to me what his disagreements are with Imran's positions especially in regards to ending Pak support for the US war and occupation, and generally bringing the war to an end. I got no response. I can only guess that some who claim to be anti-Pakistan in fact want Pakistan to continue supporting the US war and occupation, and their failed objectives.

One that shows that we are articulate, thoughtful, hard-working and honourable. That includes people from all sections of our community and the people who are likely to take that sympathetic view of Pashtuns, are Pashtuns themselves. Others will simply represent us as they see fit.

Afghans, and then specifically Pashtuns (who this war is focused on) need to be left alone. Thats all. Had militant secularists/communists just stopped with their incessant interfering and attempts to hoist foreign ideologies upon others, Afghanistan would have been better off. They are the source of all the problems in Afghanistan, and the entire region.

[Toramana]

Mr Choudri Unknown Singh , the problem with people like you and Shahbaz Khan is that you have completely bastradized mentalitites---Imran Khan, Jannah, Iqbal, etc. be could your leader no matter how worst their moral characters and extent of infidelity but would hold ANP etc. to toughest scructiny despite the saintly character of Bacha Khan and his heirs.


Now do you think what is shown above has been sanctioned by ANP leadership? Or is it comparable in any degree to the disinformation your Ranjt Singhi grand-pa Imran Khan has spread about Pashtuns in international media? Who has contributed more to Pashtun culture, literature, politics, etc...Your ideological father Imran Khan the Punjabi or ANP?

Rest, regarding your other absurdities, the Karzai leadership and govt as well as the present Afghan govt is a bit more legitimate for coming into existence as a result of democratic process no matter how faulty unlike the cavemen Taleban and their ape-minded followers who were seated on the Takhth of Kabul by ISI.

If history is any indication, you along with your bigotary, fanaticism, and betrayel of Afghan people would soon be burried under the dibris of history whereas Afghan/Pashtun masses would be truimphant.

[Toramana]

And watch this, the moral character of your prophet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=kKvgFo1HORQ