Afghan Islamic Clerics' Declaration Calls for Jihad against the U.S. and Its Supporte

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Afghan Islamic Clerics' Declaration Calls for Jihad against the U.S. and Its Supporters, Urges Arab and Non-Arab Clerics to Issue Fatwa for Jihad

Afghan Islamic Clerics' Declaration Calls for Jihad against the U.S. and Its Supporters, Urges Arab and Non-Arab Clerics to Issue Fatwa for Jihad

A declaration signed by scores of Islamic scholars who joined under the banner of the Ittehad-e-Ulema Afghanistan, an alliance of orthodox clerics in Afghanistan, has rejected the Loya Jirga (the assembly of elders) called by the Karzai government to discuss, among other issues, the Afghan-U.S. Strategic Partnership Agreement.
The declaration was titled "Rejecting the Upcoming American Loya Jirga in Afghanistan." The Loya Jirga, which is to be held on November 16, 2011, will seek to approve the Afghan-U.S. Strategic Partnership Agreement, allowing U.S. troops to stay at military bases in Afghanistan beyond 2014.
The declaration was signed at a meeting of the clerics held under the chairmanship of Sheikh Abdullah Zakiri, an influential Islamic cleric who hails from the Zakir area of southern Kandahar province. Abdullah Zakiri was a prominent leader of the Mujahideen during the 1980s jihad against the Soviet Union, but did not join the Taliban government due to some differences. Local journalists believe that he is living Baluchistan, a bordering province of Pakistan.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Afghan Islamic Clerics' Declaration Calls for Jihad against the U.S. and Its Supporters, Urges Arab and Non-Arab Clerics to Issue Fatwa for Jihad

Afghan Islamic Clerics' Declaration Calls for Jihad against the U.S. and Its Supporters, Urges Arab and Non-Arab Clerics to Issue Fatwa for Jihad

A declaration signed by scores of Islamic scholars who joined under the banner of the Ittehad-e-Ulema Afghanistan, an alliance of orthodox clerics in Afghanistan, has rejected the Loya Jirga (the assembly of elders) called by the Karzai government to discuss, among other issues, the Afghan-U.S. Strategic Partnership Agreement.
The declaration was titled "Rejecting the Upcoming American Loya Jirga in Afghanistan." The Loya Jirga, which is to be held on November 16, 2011, will seek to approve the Afghan-U.S. Strategic Partnership Agreement, allowing U.S. troops to stay at military bases in Afghanistan beyond 2014.
The declaration was signed at a meeting of the clerics held under the chairmanship of Sheikh Abdullah Zakiri, an influential Islamic cleric who hails from the Zakir area of southern Kandahar province. Abdullah Zakiri was a prominent leader of the Mujahideen during the 1980s jihad against the Soviet Union, but did not join the Taliban government due to some differences. Local journalists believe that he is living Baluchistan, a bordering province of Pakistan.

That jirga was an idiotic move. Now that Karzai officially endorsed foreign presence, he provided the literal pretext for what any of the clerics will have to call defensive religious warfare.

[thetruth]

The only achievement Karzai will be known for is unintentionally uniting Afghans wherever there may have been divisions.

These clerics cross the ethnic divide which has been exploited by outsiders.

Its a major development and turning point, and as expected, not reported in much Western press besides this website which is a research one.

Hamid Karzai had a slight chance to be remembered in Afghanistan differently, but he will be remembered unfavorably and by logical definition, an enemy of Afghanistan.

For this objective of personal gain, he has supported war and occupation of Afghanistan.

He has officially endorsed it, and this is a point of return.

[Al Hanif]

MEMRI is an Israeli Propaganda Box... I don't know what to think

[thetruth]

It reports on events in mostly the Muslim world for informational purposes

They do not make stories up if that is what you are suggesting

[Afghanistan2010]

Memri is a jews propaganda channel that analyze all muslim sources and reproduce it with translating it into english and mocking.

[abassinafghan]

memri was founded by a mossad agent and is known for notrorious lying and propaganda .

especially in the west they "translate " any even or report on it on their wishes

maybe you rember the story on the mullah sahib who wanted to forbid christmas , they showed it as if he told all the muslims to force the christians not to celebrate christmas , in fact he said especially muslims should stop making profit of it and dont partcipate in the commercialisation of christmas . the story was in most tabloids at the first pages in germany !!!

so i would be really sceptical of memri at least .


besides to this , their artical just implements to the stupid american , that there can be not any muslim who is pro american or an allie , because they potrayed the ulleman on one step with the taliban .

this should mean look , the muzzie clerics are the same like the taleban , we dont fight agains the taleban , or a politcal movement , or against a people , but we fight against islam ,aka terrorism , old story .

we should stop making business or politics on islam . because it leads to such smere discusting propaganda . now they started the same **** .

[Niazi]

Afghan Islamic Clerics'is that includes GEN Hameed gul and Asad DURRANI?

[thetruth]

memri was founded by a mossad agent and is known for notrorious lying and propaganda .

It is irrelevant as to what MEMRI is. They make no secret about their reasons for publishing this information. They get reports of an event like this declaration, and publish it. I think it is simply an information based webiste, whether is is run by Jews or not.

especially in the west they "translate " any even or report on it on their wishes

This actually goes completely against "the Wests" wishes because it is showing that this declaration is in direct response to Hamid Karzai's public and official support and endorsement of the US occupation and war. Gone are the days he pretends to voice anti-US rhetoric.

besides to this , their artical just implements to the stupid american , that there can be not any muslim who is pro american or an allie , because they potrayed the ulleman on one step with the taliban .

Why should any Muslim or non-Muslim support American policies, especially of war and occupation? How is it unreasonable to not expect this reaction here? There is a difference between the American people and their corrupt government.

this should mean look , the muzzie clerics are the same like the taleban , we dont fight agains the taleban , or a politcal movement , or against a people , but we fight against islam ,aka terrorism , old story .

we should stop making business or politics on islam . because it leads to such smere discusting propaganda . now they started the same ****

How is this a piece of propaganda? Do you think that people in general accept foreign occupation and war? No one does. This is unnatural, and will never be tolerated by freedom and peace loving people around the world.

There is nothing unusual about the reaction that Karzai's official support and endorsement of foreign occupation and war has caused.

[abassinafghan]

no its not a site of information but missleading propaganda .

so i guess you also a agree on their version of the filistin conflict ,right ?

do you can also post any afghan source which can aproof this message ?

bbc pashto , tolo, benawa ,ariana tv. ,internet page of the taleban any? and dont come and say "oh they are all propaganda of the west blablabla " , memri is the worst of all .

i guess you dont understand the message between the lines , its not intended to show any info , but a opinion based view.

and now you are trying to show us what is happening by news created by jews , intended for stupid westerners ?


and even they have done so , why now ? why today ? i mean the americans are not just since yesterday there ,or since one month ?
even it is true , its just a cheap move ,to ease the peoples mind because majority of the people are against a permanent presence of the americans ,

however setting up bases in remote areas where people are banned to go , you have no problem ,because out of view out of the mind. but it doesnt change anythin

dont let yourself blind yourself , by the words of "muslim" "jahad" "islam",
when it comes to politics and think 2 or 3 moves ahead , like in a chess game.

you know , in afghanistan and afghan" politics", today its considerd that your foe or enemie is always the kafir and you are the pak musleman .
so it doenst count what you are doing or your acts or what you have done , you just have to finger at some one and convince all others that the person is kafir regardless of the facts-

[thetruth]

are you aware that there is a blackout on media in Afghanistan?

I am giving you facts. If you think this is false, and that this is a fabrication, then you should show it.

I dont buy the Jewish conspiracy too much. Jews were nearly on the verge of being wiped out by Europeans. One then has to understand them for taking their stances in life.

Instead, one should learn from them. Despite their differences, they are always united on certain non-negotiable issues such as their independence.

The Jews are not the cause of global problems. That is a mere scapegoat tactic used by the West. It was the West who committed genocide upon the Jews. It was also the West that launched Crusades.

One may completely oppose the existence of the state of Israel which is legitimate, but one can not deny that for their survivability they ensured non-negotiable conditions that they would all accept.

Dont fall into the trap of the Jews this, the Jews that, and the West is all innocent. You are accusing me of what you are doing. Look to history.

Islam or no Islam, Judaism or no Judaism, Hinduism or no Hinduism, no one will ever tolerate occupation.

[abassinafghan]

i agree that those rotten jews atleast can unite if it comes to non-jews , unlike us who are running to different directions .

but those zionists , they get on the board since 9/11 and use anything to connect their occupation with the fight against terror . and by labeling all muslims ,or at least suggesting all muslims as potential terrorist , no one will critisize them for what they are doing the last half century .

like today in our watan , no one in the west will question this war as illegetimit or wrong , because they are so brainwashed , that they really swallow this international muslim jihad story without a question .

and that is the message of this news , they are telling the people that there is no seperation between islam muslims , and the taliban .and there fore there can be no peace between , and this occupation must endure .

which is ofcourse total nonsence , the americans dont care about wether we are muslims or what so ever , even they used it in their warpropaganda.


but there alot of pashtuns pages in the net which are to some degree critical like benawa .

so there is a blackout of media in afghanistan , but the worst opinion based propaganda network , is telling the truth , come on.

[thetruth]

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no its not a site of information but missleading propaganda .

Are you then saying that there is no declaration made, and that this is a fabrication? Sources?

so i guess you also a agree on their version of the filistin conflict ,right ?

My personal opinion does not matter. These are facts.

do you can also post any afghan source which can aproof this message ?

Is ToloNews Afghan for you? Is Bakhtar News Afghan for you? Is pajhwok Afghan for you? I dont think so.

and now you are trying to show us what is happening by news created by jews , intended for stupid westerners ?

Westerners are not some innocent people who were coerced into waging wars on Muslim lands by Jews. They have been waging wars in Muslim lands even when these Jews were getting killed in pogroms (death programs). I dont think Jews were powerful then, do you?

and even they have done so , why now ? why today ? i mean the americans are not just since yesterday there ,or since one month ?
even it is true , its just a cheap move ,to ease the peoples mind because majority of the people are against a permanent presence of the americans ,

however setting up bases in remote areas where people are banned to go , you have no problem ,because out of view out of the mind. but it doesnt change anythin

Why are you referring to me as "you?" I am just relaying a post. I am not making my opinion known.

dont let yourself blind yourself , by the words of "muslim" "jahad" "islam",
when it comes to politics and think 2 or 3 moves ahead , like in a chess game.

You are blinding yourself by these words.

you know , in afghanistan and afghan" politics", today its considerd that your foe or enemie is always the kafir and you are the pak musleman .

No I am not

so it doenst count what you are doing or your acts or what you have done , you just have to finger at some one and convince all others that the person is kafir regardless of the facts-

There are definitions as to what constitutes a Kafir. You can look that up

[thetruth]

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i agree that those rotten jews atleast can unite if it comes to non-jews , unlike us who are running to different directions .

Jews came back from being crushed to put a superpower in check. Iraq war though had nothing to do with Jews, Iraq war was for OIL. The owners of these OIL companies like British Petroleum and Shell are simply Western. Jews have committed war crimes against Palestinians and stolen their land. This is fact.

and that is the message of this news , they are telling the people that there is no seperation between islam muslims , and the taliban .and there fore there can be no peace between , and this occupation must endure .

which is ofcourse total nonsence , the americans dont care about wether we are muslims or what so ever , even they used it in their warpropaganda.


but there alot of pashtuns pages in the net which are to some degree critical like benawa .

so there is a blackout of media in afghanistan , but the worst opinion based propaganda network , is telling the truth , come on.

I dont see how making this up benefits Western interests. It in fact reveals that occupation is the root cause of all the violence, and Western interest do not want this narrative, but it is a fact.

Look, no people, whether they are Muslim or non-Muslim tolerate occupation of their land. Irish did not, and fought what can be termed a war with the UK. Scottish fought a long and bloody war of freedom, and their independence has been realized only recently.

Occupation is the sole cause of violence, as no one likes to be occupied.

[thetruth]

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and even they have done so , why now ? why today ? i mean the americans are not just since yesterday there ,or since one month ?
even it is true , its just a cheap move ,to ease the peoples mind because majority of the people are against a permanent presence of the americans ,

This is a legitimate point you raised. This man referred to in the article Abdullah Zakiri was anti-Taliban, and appears to have disagreements with them.

"The declaration was signed at a meeting of the clerics held under the chairmanship of Sheikh Abdullah Zakiri, an influential Islamic cleric who hails from the Zakir area of southern Kandahar province."

I think that the reason there may have been no objection to the US presence/occupation before was because it was at first seen as help. People like Zaikiri may have thought that along such terms, it was best to see true objectives of the US provided they leave. The US has helped in rebuilding some areas (with attempted strings attached), this is undeniable, but to what reasons? The reasons at first were pushed forward as purely humanitarian, but then so many war crimes and murders were committed all in the name of some unachievable strategic goal of forcing the Afghans, especially the Pashtuns to stop resisting.

This was then bound to fail.

As for why Zakiri has now come out and made this declaration, it is because Hamid Karzai has officially said he supports permanent occupation of Afghanistan. Zakiri had fought the Russians. He, like others probably thought that the US would rebuild some areas and leave on good terms.

When Karzai held this fake Jirga, he made it clear to the whole Afghan nation as well as the region, that he supports the US war and occupation of Afghanistan. Gone was any confusion in the mind of people like Zakiri as well as the rest of the nation.

Gone are the talks of rebuilding and such. It is all out in the open now. This war is to do with permanent occupation, and history testifies to Afghans opposition and determination to end this occupation.

Karzai will leave with the US, and his only achievement (unintentional) through his public support and official endorsement of the US occupation and war, was uniting Afghans against him and the occupation. If there was any division before, it no longer exists.

This is his only achievement, and he is not proud of it, I am sure.