So Karzai lied, what a surprise!

[KhyberKhan]

'Hundreds of UK troops' in Afghanistan after 2015



Hundreds of British soldiers will stay in Afghanistan after the UK pulls out combat troops, the chief of the defence staff has said.


The government wants troops to leave by 2015, but says some will remain to support and train Afghan forces.


General Sir David Richards said the final figure was undecided, but it would be hundreds rather than thousands.


Their role is to prevent Afghanistan being used as a terrorist base.
Gen Richards, speaking on the BBC's Andrew Marr programme, said: "We haven't yet decided what the residual figure will be, but I think we are looking in the hundreds rather than the thousands."


He said Britain's role was not to "extinguish the insurgency" but to reduce it to a level that Afghan security forces can take on, and to prevent the country being used as a base to train terrorists.



"We're on track to deliver that strategy," he said.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15711325

[thetruth]

The presence and occupation of the US and the West is the sole barrier to peace. All Afghans, regional nations, and the free and civil world understand this, and are opposed to the occupation in all forms. From the socialist Afghans to the religious Afghans, they are all on one page against the occupation of their land,and will not tolerate it for one bit. All tribes have made it clear that they will not tolerate any pact that supports war and occupation, and is against peace and freedom for the Afghan nation.

It appears even the loya Jirga may turn out to be a failure for Karzai too despite his attempts at creating a fake one. In any case, he will either toe the line of the Afghan nation in rejecting foreign occupation, or he will further make it clear that he supports more war in Afghanistan, and on the rest of the region. He is surely alone in this regard, as regional nations have clearly thwarted his plans, and he has no friend besides the West to talk about what he wants.

It is clear that the British generals have been vociferously against Cameron who has said all British will withdraw from Afghanistan along with other Westerners. These generals like their American counterparts continue to make "vows" over and over, thinking it will intimidate the peace and freedom/independent loving Afghans and the region as a whole, but this will fail too as no Afghan will tolerate occupation, and history has shown that the barking dogs will continue to fail. If they are ok with an economy that is soon going to be bought by China in the EU, they should come to terms with the inevitable that these God-less Europeans will now have to submit to the God-less Chinese. The dark ages of Europe are set to return as China has refused to give a loan, but instead will buy over European companies. Smart thinking nations should therefore gravitate and be in the good books of China, as they are the new superpower, and can not be challenged until their economy collapse in say 50 years.


is it not clear that Karzai and the West support occupation and war, and do not want to make peace? Is

Karzai and Spanta have no future in Afghanistan. He is an avid war supporter and against peace in all forms since he is pro-occupation.

The region has thwarted the designs of the war supporters, and their designs have no support from major regional countries. At the recent SCO summit, it was made perfectly clear that only an independent Afghanistan will be allowed. These regional countries have also made it clear that peace can only be restored with the complete withdrawal of all foreigners from Afghanistan and the rest of the region.

Is it not clear now who are in favor of more war, and are against peace, humanity, and freedom?

[Admin Khan]

Afghanistan has a very important geostrategic location. It's impossible for any power to leave Afghanistan all alone. It borders Iran,Pakistan, and China. To have bases in Afghanistan means putting the aforementioned nations in their spot. I'm not surprised, Khyber Khan. What else did you possibly expect?

[thetruth]

How many times have they made "vows" to stay the course? What exactly is the purpose? The situation is such that no one takes or pays any attention to these "vows." History shows that these bursts of shouting usually emanate from one who is staring head on at defeat, and not at victory. Again, how many "vows" have they made?

The problem is the West is not able to put the nations in their spot but on the contrary these nations have now put the West in their spot and since it does not and will never suit regional purposes to pursue or clap to a US agenda. Read link below. Hence, the common consensus against Western meddling has become concrete, and nothing can dispel it anymore. Read Putin's remark at the SCO summit. People want freedom, independence, and peace. The world wants peace, and not war. War supporting nations are defeated and on their own. World has changed.
Asia Times Online :: US's post-2014 Afghan agenda falters

The fact that they went to beg Pakistan for a North Waziristan operation and made several threats within a span of two weeks, but came away dejected is a sure sign of the triumphalism in the region. After making empty threats to Pakistan, they then issued several threats to Iran, and also came away empty handed. What a miscalculation, and how illogical? Regional nations such as China, Russia, Iran, and Pakistan have thwarted the designs of the West which were presented at the Istanbul summit. With so much isolation, what more can they do? A pact with Karzai is meaningless and tissue paper and will only further increase Afghan opposition and resentment.

The fact is, the US and West have too less to lose, and their "empire" is already lost- look no more then at the fact that China is about to own ALL of the EU, and there is nothing that can be done about it.
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Common sense should tell you that China is the new power. It is best for people to forget the delusions of grandeur of the US for it is no more.

[KhyberKhan]

Afghanistan has a very important geostrategic location. It's impossible for any power to leave Afghanistan all alone. It borders Iran,Pakistan, and China. To have bases in Afghanistan means putting the aforementioned nations in their spot. I'm not surprised, Khyber Khan. What else did you possibly expect?

When someone says they are going to leave, they usually leave. It's evident that they won't leave and will almost have a permenant base in Afghanistan for centuries to come just like the US has one in Japan and in Saudi, should anything "untowards" happen. Since me and you both know that there's no such thing as a free lunch, this back-up squad will be in place to steer Afghanistan in-line with the interests of the west, whilst its resources are ravaged through froced trade-deals that will be signed in exchange for western blood spilt in achieving this construct --a.k.a neo-imperialism fashioned as "democracy".

Do you want your country to be another puppet state rather than the bread-basket it once was of asia?